New Seadweller...record setting interest?

[fishingbear]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Record setting? I seriously doubt it is getting more interest than the blnr did upon release, never mind the 116500.

Yup

[speedmaster73]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Record setting? I seriously doubt it is getting more interest than the blnr did upon release, never mind the 116500.

or the dssd-b for that matter.....

[AK797]

As I've said before, pretty much every other brand who makes 43mm watches will have their customers look closely at this Rolex, esp with its iconic Sub look which many like to deride until it becomes a serious possibility, and this also means this forum is even less indicative of demand than usual.

[Will1979]

"I think its pretty clear that Rolex's size restraint has opened the doors for IWC, Panerai, Hublot, AP (ROO) and Omega fill that 43mm+ lux watch void. The new SD should be Rolexes best seller in no time."

I don't get this thought. Using you're reasoning, the DSSD should be Rolex's best seller. It's not like they didn't already have a watch in this so-called "void."

[maton12]

Originally Posted by Will1979

Using you're reasoning, the DSSD should be Rolex's best seller. It's not like they didn't already have a watch in this so-called "void."

The DSSD is not only large, but thick and heavy

The Rolex market appreciates the Sub, and for many it's too small, the new SD will be an option that will sell extremely well for many years and probably push towards more Sub sales for those not wanting to spend the extra on the SD

[JohnnyNoDate]

The Sea-Dweller is being rebranded as a larger Submariner (for people with larger wrists and/or people who like larger watches) - and it looks like it's working out for Rolex.

[subtona]

Interesting conversation, it will be nice to watch how it plays out here among the members.


The new movement is the most significant change for me.

New movement would make me consider trading in my sub but the size takes it off the table.

[sensui]

Well....the guy is an AD.....he's not going to say it's the most controversial release in awhile etc and tell you he doesn't really have orders either. The truth is probably somewhere in between....I'm sure there is a market for the watch and some people will gravitate toward it after trying it on after release that are naysayers now (I might be one of them, time will tell)....but I will always remember a real life encounter @ South Coast Plaza that paints the story on the Sea Dweller in the non WIS eyes......I was checking out what they had in the window and a guy comes beside me with his wife.....points out the Sea Dweller and comments that it doesn't have a cyclops....what a great look....then proceeds to see the depth rating and price and scoffs no one would ever go that deep anyway and moves on to look @ other pieces. I don't think the people really looking for large watches will all pick the SD43 because of the cost bracket....they might just gravitate toward the deep sea instead....and certainly for the price difference, I think most would still be looking at the practicality of just having a submariner....especially now that they both have cyclops and the look is less distinguished. Time will tell.

[Smarties]

Originally Posted by sensui

Well....the guy is an AD.....he's not going to say it's the most controversial release in awhile etc and tell you he doesn't really have orders either. The truth is probably somewhere in between....I'm sure there is a market for the watch and some people will gravitate toward it after trying it on after release that are naysayers now (I might be one of them, time will tell)....but I will always remember a real life encounter @ South Coast Plaza that paints the story on the Sea Dweller in the non WIS eyes......I was checking out what they had in the window and a guy comes beside me with his wife.....points out the Sea Dweller and comments that it doesn't have a cyclops....what a great look....then proceeds to see the depth rating and price and scoffs no one would ever go that deep anyway and moves on to look @ other pieces. I don't think the people really looking for large watches will all pick the SD43 because of the cost bracket....they might just gravitate toward the deep sea instead....and certainly for the price difference, I think most would still be looking at the practicality of just having a submariner....especially now that they both have cyclops and the look is less distinguished. Time will tell.

You're right. I'm not a WIS and I only have short experience with Rolex. I personally think SD looks cleaner without a cyclops.
I remember my grandfather needed to use a magnifying glass to read newspaper and he had a DD. Since I was a kid I got the feeling that a cyclops is for senior with difficulties in reading.....making a watch looks kind of, "old" or out of style.(I may be stereotyping but it's difficult not to make that correlation.)

So I bought a D-Blue and was planning to buy a SD last year because they don't have a cyclops. IMO, "cyclopless" helps to differentiate SD from a Sub. I once heard someone who never owned a Rolex said he wanted a SD because Sub is too common. With a ~2K higher price tag, he doesn't want his watch mistaken as a sub.

People may argue that cyclops is the signature of Rolex that some watch makers did tried to copy. However, there're still average people (non-WIS) who love the clean look without a cyclops. PP and AP don't have cyclops on their watches and yet they too are perceived as one of the finest brands in the watch industry. A cyclops may help to identify a watch as a Rolex, but it doesn't make Rolex identified as a fine Swiss brand.

[Sublovin]

Originally Posted by Smarties

You're right. I'm not a WIS and I only have short experience with Rolex. I personally think SD looks cleaner without a cyclops.
I remember my grandfather needed to use a magnifying glass to read newspaper and he had a DD. Since I was a kid I got the feeling that a cyclops is for senior with difficulties in reading.....making a watch looks kind of, "old" or out of style.(I may be stereotyping but it's difficult not to make that correlation.)

So I bought a D-Blue and was planning to buy a SD last year because they don't have a cyclops. IMO, "cyclopless" helps to differentiate SD from a Sub. I once heard someone who never owned a Rolex said he wanted a SD because Sub is too common. With a ~2K higher price tag, he doesn't want his watch mistaken as a sub.

People may argue that cyclops is the signature of Rolex that some watch makers did tried to copy. However, there're still average people (non-WIS) who love the clean look without a cyclops. PP and AP don't have cyclops on their watches and yet they too are perceived as one of the finest brands in the watch industry. A cyclops may help to identify a watch as a Rolex, but it doesn't make Rolex identified as a fine Swiss brand.

Not questioning your opinion at a all, but I dispute when you say you're not a WIS...
You're on a watch forum and have over 200 posts

[Smarties]

Originally Posted by Sublovin

Not questioning your opinion at a all, but I dispute when you say you're not a WIS...
You're on a watch forum and have over 200 posts

I was never a watch guy and the last time I bought a watch (Omega) before my D-Blue was 10 years ago.
I like to research on things before making my purchase decision and find Rolex quite fascinating......

[brandrea]

Its definitely a polarizing reference. I think those who have a hate on for the watch will warm up to it.

[Sublovin]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Its definitely a polarizing reference. I think those who have a hate on for the watch will warm up to it.

Yep...just like all the hate being spewed about the Platona on this forum and others when it came out...
Blasphemy

[regaltrojan]

I'll pass on the new Sea Dweller.

[HogwldFLTR]

Could it mean the end of the Sub? Something seems redundant here.

[Seaotter]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Could it mean the end of the Sub? Something seems redundant here.

No way 😜
End of the SDDS ? Perhaps ? 😳

[Sublovin]

Originally Posted by Seaotter

No way 😜
End of the SDDS ? Perhaps ? 😳

I would agree with this. The sub is like the Porsche 911...it's the identity of the brand.
The DSSD...nice, but will not sell? We will see I guess

[ras47]

This new Sea Dweller sure got my attention. I don't see the Submariner EVER going away. I could see the DSSD being discontinued before too long, but the Sub is a Rolex icon.

[Glidelock]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Could it mean the end of the Sub? Something seems redundant here.

Oh...that will happen!

Originally Posted by Seaotter

No way 😜
End of the SDDS ? Perhaps ? 😳

This!

Originally Posted by ras47

This new Sea Dweller sure got my attention. I don't see the Submariner EVER going away. I could see the DSSD being discontinued before too long, but the Sub is a Rolex icon.

Have to say I think it's clearly unlikely Rolex would ever consider dropping the Sub from its lineup. No....let's rephrase that to not a chance in He||!

Sea Dwellers are in fact an iteration of the Submariner itself, with original SD's actually saying Submariner on the dial!

If anything, I believe the new SD43-50th Anniversary (whatever we're calling this thing?) is targeting the market the DSSD was originally slotted for. But, perhaps Rolex was a bit over zealous w/ the DSSD based on how over sized it is, and how top heavy and imbalanced it wears for most. The new SD43 should capture the bulk of the market with bulkier watch desires that felt the DSSD was just to darn bulky!

[ras47]

Originally Posted by Glidelock

... perhaps Rolex was a bit over zealous w/ the DSSD based on how over sized it is, and how top heavy and imbalanced it wears for most. The new SD43 should capture the bulk of the market with bulkier watch desires that felt the DSSD was just to darn bulky!

I think Rolex was seduced (like I was) by the idea of a watch that could to ANYwhere, even if the guy wearing it could not. More marketing, less practicality. IMHO, they compromised on aesthetics to get the depth rating. But hey, it sure worked on me. The DSSD was my first Rolex.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by Seaotter

No way ��
End of the SDDS ? Perhaps ? ��

Originally Posted by Glidelock

Oh...that will happen!

Originally Posted by Sublovin

I would agree with this. The sub is like the Porsche 911...it's the identity of the brand.
The DSSD...nice, but will not sell? We will see I guess

Subdweller has a nice ring to it, I think!!!

[moby33]

Originally Posted by Glidelock

The new SD43 should capture the bulk of the market with bulkier watch desires that felt the DSSD was just to darn bulky!

Exactly. As a 1x SD, 3x Sub (Sub, LV & SubC) & 2x DSSD owner (once upon a time for all of them), I'm exactly what you just described. SD/Sub a little too small on my wrist (although damn comfortable), and the DSSD a little too thick. Both watches near perfect for me, but never the sweet spot and always left me saying, "Good, but..."

When they debuted the SD4000 I was so hoping it would be a 42mm right in the middle of the Sub & DS...when that didn't happen, I gave up on Rolex providing ME the perfect watch. Never in a million years did I think they would discontinue it so soon after it's launch and quickly hit us with a slightly bigger SD.

Now that the SD43 is here, I'm once again excited about my next Rolex watch and already convinced it will be the watch I've always wanted to build. I've got to believe there are a TON of buyers with the same wrist size and desires as Moby33.

[Hamish]

I can see a new DSSD being released in the next 24 months

[Seaotter]

DSSD

Totaal over de top engineered watch !

Showing who is the best.
What we already knew !

Cool !!! In case Design.
But practically useless 🙃

[handsfull]

He sounds like the standard well-oiled salesman at the AD - do/say anything for a sale.

[avantix]

I for one put my name first on the list. Owned a DSSD for 6 years then grew tired of it. We'll see when she gets here if it's worth buying after seeing.

[brucethemanlee]

Originally Posted by Sublovin

He said he already has 15 pre-paid and it far exceeds his wait list for the new Daytona.

We went on to discuss the things that some collectors here don't like such as cyclops and case size.

He sounded pretty in tune with the watch forum chatter and was quick to remind that collectors here represent a very small minority, and that 99%of the general buying public couldn't care less about the history, the cyclops, or the red print...

I agree with his above statement BUT would 99% of the buying public even know what Basel is and that Rolex came out with a "larger submariner" to even enquire?




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[AMCK87]

Another component of this is the market. Big watches do well in the South. I know a couple ADs down there and the YM2 sold like hot cakes while up in the northeast, you can literally get a serious discount on one of the several YM2 in the case of any ADs. The new SeaDweller is likely perfect for the Dallas market.


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[Flywheel]

That sounds exactly right. I enjoy this forum, but I've often thought that it, in no way, represents the vast majority of the buyers who walk into an AD on a daily basis. I think the SD43 will be a huge hit.

[Ouro9999]

Originally Posted by Flywheel

That sounds exactly right. I enjoy this forum, but I've often thought that it, in no way, represents the vast majority of the buyers who walk into an AD on a daily basis. I think the SD43 will be a huge hit.

+1

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