Planning : Pair A or Pair B

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by LAFLARE

My vote is for option B.



I think if the RG44 is more fitting to your lifestyle with the "new and cool" factor, perhaps substituting the PP with another reference, as it is a polar opposite with the "new and cool" factor in terms of size and presence, unless that is what you are going for.



Great watches and choices!

Originally Posted by NoobSial

B for me too

Originally Posted by tng11

A). 5070 is a true legend.

Originally Posted by HK Islandboy

Option B ...and replace the DJ with the AP diver.

Personally, I’d swap the brown 5070 strap for a black one to dress it up even more

11 for B , 3 for A

Yes AP novelty 44 RG/Ceramic it’s perfect for my lifestyle, cool AF watch , not a scratch magnet; and what a presence.
The hesitation is due to the grail position that the 5070 has , it’s a staple. Not just that 5070 has so much character and collectible (it might go up on price)
5070 is also a little scary for me because is a lot of money on one piece.

I pick 5070J , instead of the other gold variants because it’s the more blingy and sexy of them. I need on my collection a colored gold watch (5070J or AP gold/Ceramic) , it’s what I call my power watch.




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[Daryl]

B for me

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by GB-man

B doesn’t include the 5070





I choose B I really like the 5170 over the 5070 and 44 over the diver.

Originally Posted by AK797

I love the 5164 as you know, and I'm not sure the gold 5070 will not mark up the same as the Aqua. Maybe switch to the SS then.

I need a colored watch on my collection, so it would have to be 5070J + 5164/a + Daytona ....not sure with that choice because even though the Aqua in SS is less prone to scratches you still need to be self conscious about it , that’s the beauty of the AP RG/Ceramic.

Originally Posted by Rsubnodate

B


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Originally Posted by rossi46

Option B

5170 > 5070

But I like an Option C: 5170 + Diver

Originally Posted by incontrol

Agree with Ben on this.

Besides, this is all temporary my friend!


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15-3 , B winning


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[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by Daryl

B for me

16 to 3

Choice B going strong

[Rogdogg]

Originally Posted by AK797

B, I prefer the 5170... unless the 5070 is a P.

This exactly. Not too keen on the 5070 in the gold. The 5170 with white dial is stellar.

[PPFANBOY]

B.
ROO over Diver any day.

[AshAP]

I’d vote option A as I really like the 5070, re the AP 44 I’m not a fan of the updated black dial.


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[Xerxes77]

B for me!

[lapince]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

The only that could happen is if I do something like this



And 5070 would probably have to be with archives (no certificate), so the price is cheaper , don’t think I would do that , but you never know.

I am thinking that what you call choice 2 is the one with AP in Rose gold


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Now that would make an awesome trio. Yes I meant with the 5170 and RG 44
Anyways it’s a whooping landslide for B

[mickyd329]

I'd go B..

[GB-man]

I will say if you’re going for a 5070 I think the J is criminally underrated! Many here, myself included, have crushed on it since Sam’s (fremstar) pics years ago!

...Deleted the piece about wanting to buy your 5170 because I’m tightroping lunacy and refuse to fall :P

[Dickson Lim]

I'd go with option B. It's a more complete/diversified collection to me, with almost every occasions covered (even to tone up to match your lifestyle with the RG44). With option A, the Daytona, DJ and Diver seems likely to be in a hard fight for your wrist time (same metal colour and kind of casual for all of the three).

[Tay821]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

I need a colored watch on my collection, so it would have to be 5070J + 5164/a + Daytona ....not sure with that choice because even though the Aqua in SS is less prone to scratches you still need to be self conscious about it , that’s the beauty of the AP RG/Ceramic.

15-3 , B winning

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I like this option you've suggested. The 5070j + 5164 + DaytonaC is one hell of a trio. Only one that beats that in my book is swapping the daytona for a 5712

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by Rogdogg

This exactly. Not too keen on the 5070 in the gold. The 5170 with white dial is stellar.

Originally Posted by PPFANBOY

B.
ROO over Diver any day.

Originally Posted by AshAP

I’d vote option A as I really like the 5070, re the AP 44 I’m not a fan of the updated black dial.


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Originally Posted by Xerxes77

B for me!

Originally Posted by mickyd329

I'd go B..

Originally Posted by Dickson Lim

I'd go with option B. It's a more complete/diversified collection to me, with almost every occasions covered (even to tone up to match your lifestyle with the RG44). With option A, the Daytona, DJ and Diver seems likely to be in a hard fight for your wrist time (same metal colour and kind of casual for all of the three).

So true Dickson, its for sure a more varied collection. I think for four 4 watches in option B works better, Option A kinds of force me to make it a 3 watch collection, nothing wrong with that either.[ 1) 5070J ,2) Daytona, 3)Diver or 5164a ]

So total Count so far is 21 for B ; 4 for A

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by GB-man

I will say if you’re going for a 5070 I think the J is criminally underrated! Many here, myself included, have crushed on it since Sam’s (fremstar) pics years ago!

...Deleted the piece about wanting to buy your 5170 because I’m tightroping lunacy and refuse to fall :P

So you are saying that initially you watch wanted was 5070j and later you scratched that one on your list and now you prefer the 5170 ?

Originally Posted by Tay821

I like this option you've suggested. The 5070j + 5164 + DaytonaC is one hell of a trio. Only one that beats that in my book is swapping the daytona for a 5712

It could work that trio with the Daytona, not sure if I can have a 5164a because the scratch magnet issue. 5712 is an awesome watch but not for me , too thin.
Hey I had it twice ; once is SS and later in RG.

[GB-man]

No to be honest I never seriously entertained buying the 5070. I just think it is the most handsome of all the 5070s which is not a popular opinion I guess. The dial print matches the case so nicely and I love a black dial.

I have other reasons I prefer the 5170 to the 5070 but it is not worth diving into here

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by GB-man

No to be honest I never seriously entertained buying the 5070. I just think it is the most handsome of all the 5070s which is not a popular opinion I guess. The dial print matches the case so nicely and I love a black dial.



I have other reasons I prefer the 5170 to the 5070 but it is not worth diving into here

I get it bro


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[AK797]

OK, well my 4 would be RG 44, 5170, 5164 and D500 or DJ41 if more viable.

1 AP, 2 PPs and a Rolex is very similar to my collection balance.

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by AK797

OK, well my 4 would be RG 44, 5170, 5164 and D500 or DJ41 if more viable.

1 AP, 2 PPs and a Rolex is very similar to my collection balance.

I) Maybe I do that in 2 stages , do now AP RG/Ceramic , 5170, 2 Rollies
And when ready upgrade DJ for 5164A

Or

II) I go down to 3 watches : 5070J, Daytona , AP RG/Ceramic >>>for this I would need to find a good price for 5070J for this to happen

[vtsyrlin]

Hey Jorge,

I am relative newbie here but I want to "play the man" not the watch.
I've been through your "consolidation" thread numerous times and regardless of how many watches you buy/sell, you always seem to come back to the basics:

1. Complicated Patek - 5170G (you don't seem to keep yellow gold watches for too long, probably because yellow gold by nature has an "age" factor attached to it. Moreover you seem to favour WG/Platinum metals.

2. Rose Gold/Casual - well (don't know why you've sold the 5164RG as it was a perfect fit for your collection). So with that in mind, AP RG/Ceramic is the go, although I don't see you keeping AP for too long. (imho it's just not special enough given AP's propensity to continuously mix and match colours and combos thus diluting the brand)

3. Daytona/DJ - as you said, both are keepers.

I am also wondering why isn't there an "office" watch in your collection? eg. Annual or Perpetual calendar. You are a Patek guy and Patek meant to be complicated!

Last but not least, you seem to have given up on the entire "Nautilus" line.
Can I ask why?

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by vtsyrlin

Hey Jorge,

I am relative newbie here but I want to "play the man" not the watch.
I've been through your "consolidation" thread numerous times and regardless of how many watches you buy/sell, you always seem to come back to the basics:

1. Complicated Patek - 5170G (you don't seem to keep yellow gold watches for too long, probably because yellow gold by nature has an "age" factor attached to it. Moreover you seem to favour WG/Platinum metals.

2. Rose Gold/Casual - well (don't know why you've sold the 5164RG as it was a perfect fit for your collection). So with that in mind, AP RG/Ceramic is the go, although I don't see you keeping AP for too long. (imho it's just not special enough given AP's propensity to continuously mix and match colours and combos thus diluting the brand)

3. Daytona/DJ - as you said, both are keepers.

I am also wondering why isn't there an "office" watch in your collection? eg. Annual or Perpetual calendar. You are a Patek guy and Patek meant to be complicated!

Last but not least, you seem to have given up on the entire "Nautilus" line.
Can I ask why?

1) Complicated watch I tend to favor platinum/WG because represents the daily wear or office watch, easier to wear than colored watch.
2) I haven't sold the aquanaut I still have it. I need a colored watch in my collection at all times (power watch)
3) I have gave up on Annual Calendars (its an in between piece IMHO) and I prefer a chrono (5170/5070) than a Perpetual Calendar
4) and yes I gave up on the Nautilus line and all these exposed bezels "scratch magnets" watches for that matter..... tire of baby them

[scottywein]

Love that Patek

[vtsyrlin]

Couldn't agree more with you on all the points.
While you are in the midst of your horological journey I am only at the beginning. I am however, trying to learn from your experience in the hope of avoiding buying/selling various watches to arrive at the same destination. Especially here in Australia where it's nigh impossible to buy any 2nd hand Pateks.

While I do like 5711/12 Nautilus, paying over 40k for one is ludicrous!
Given your vast experience, would you recommend a 5170G as a daily/office grail? While I have a 5167 as my current "beater", I would like to experience a Patek complication, a watch I can keep for many years without being tempted by yet another upgrade. Is 5170G the grail I am looking for?

Having had dozens of absolutely mesmerizing pieces, you would have the best perspective on this question.

Cheers
Vlad

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

1) Complicated watch I tend to favor platinum/WG because represents the daily wear or office watch, easier to wear than colored watch.
2) I haven't sold the aquanaut I still have it. I need a colored watch in my collection at all times (power watch)
3) I have gave up on Annual Calendars (its an in between piece IMHO) and I prefer a chrono (5170/5070) than a Perpetual Calendar
4) and yes I gave up on the Nautilus line and all these exposed bezels "scratch magnets" watches for that matter..... tire of baby them

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by vtsyrlin

Couldn't agree more with you on all the points.

While you are in the midst of your horological journey I am only at the beginning. I am however, trying to learn from your experience in the hope of avoiding buying/selling various watches to arrive at the same destination. Especially here in Australia where it's nigh impossible to buy any 2nd hand Pateks.



While I do like 5711/12 Nautilus, paying over 40k for one is ludicrous!

Given your vast experience, would you recommend a 5170G as a daily/office grail? While I have a 5167 as my current "beater", I would like to experience a Patek complication, a watch I can keep for many years without being tempted by yet another upgrade. Is 5170G the grail I am looking for?



Having had dozens of absolutely mesmerizing pieces, you would have the best perspective on this question.



Cheers

Vlad

Yes I can give you my opinion, at the end is just my opinion. Although my horological journey is commendable, usually these journeys are very personal. I feel , that the key word here is “ feel” and on that note I feel that the Chronograph is my ultimate complication therefore my recommendation will be 5170G or any of the 5070’s.

I can’t go back to AC’s , too much money for Perpetual Chronos , and the PC’s are too damn small.

Buy what makes you happy, best advise ever .





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[vtsyrlin]

Appreciate the insight Jorge.
If you weren't so invested in chronos, would AC's be on the list?
ie. 5960 or 5146 still offer ~40mm case so they are comparable to 5170.

What makes me happy? Well hard to say, every time I see Patek's I feel like a "kid in the candy store". I like many models and complications. In fact your original collection (with 12+ pieces including FPJ and many others is what I like)
Still, one can only wear one watch a a time. Hence why I am seeking advice.

[Hairdude1]

Buddy, you know my thoughts on this. Add the 5070 and the 44 AP. With just the daytona you have a trio to last a lifetime

[Watch Admirer]

Pair B


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[Ziperian]

Not to get off base but didn't you like the ceramic AP diver real well in the past? The 42 size might be better for a hold forever type watch.

JD

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by Ziperian

Not to get off base but didn't you like the ceramic AP diver real well in the past? The 42 size might be better for a hold forever type watch.

JD

Yeah I like the AP Diver Ceramic, but I need RG for this watch, if any I could substitute the AP Diver on Steel for the AP Diver on Ceramic on Option A .

Originally Posted by vtsyrlin

Appreciate the insight Jorge.
If you weren't so invested in chronos, would AC's be on the list?
ie. 5960 or 5146 still offer ~40mm case so they are comparable to 5170.

What makes me happy? Well hard to say, every time I see Patek's I feel like a "kid in the candy store". I like many models and complications. In fact your original collection (with 12+ pieces including FPJ and many others is what I like)
Still, one can only wear one watch a a time. Hence why I am seeking advice.

That’s probably why you might need to go through the journey and don’t take my insight because it might work differently for you. I know that’s the expensive way.

Originally Posted by Hairdude1

Buddy, you know my thoughts on this. Add the 5070 and the 44 AP. With just the daytona you have a trio to last a lifetime

I know bro , I know bro

Originally Posted by Watch Admirer

Pair B



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22 for B , 4 for A



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[gmstevenson]

B -- love the 5170G