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Reddy_Kilowatt · 11 March 2018, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 77T

I believe the OP titled it right and most people are focusing on the shipping issue. Here’s where he described what he thought may have been a scam by the seller.

So he’s really saying the seller sold a faulty watch - that’s what he’s describing as a scam.

Later in his post he goes on to ask for help about a potentially lost USPS package.

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Fair enough, but is there a way for a seller to jerry-rig a watch to magically work for a few days before it stops? It could be a scam, but it sounds more like the watch stopped working. "Scam" is malicious and intentional. "Sh!t happens" is life.

77T · 11 March 2018, 09:14 AM

Yeah I agree a part inside a watch can fail even if you had it serviced. Mistakes happen. And a good seller will back up their watches - of course, once it arrives.

So I was just trying to separate the two instances.

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brandontran · 11 March 2018, 01:03 PM

The DJ was a random serial dated 2014 so it wasn’t that old. The seller told me that he had it serviced just a few months before so for the watch to stop working in 2 after receiving it is somewhat of an dishonesty on the seller’s part. So I must assume that he knew there was something with it but decided to ship it because he’s already got paid. After I informed him about the issue of the watch, I requested if he would issue a refund? Then he went cold and wouldn’t get back to me for 2 days. Then I texted him and said if he could get it fix then maybe it’s ok. That’s when the communication line was back up. Anyhow, my main concern now is to track down my package from USPS. I’ll keep everyone updated.....

Reddy_Kilowatt · 11 March 2018, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandontran

The DJ was a random serial dated 2014 so it wasn’t that old. The seller told me that he had it serviced just a few months before so for the watch to stop working in 2 after receiving it is somewhat of an dishonesty on the seller’s part. So I must assume that he knew there was something with it but decided to ship it because he’s already got paid. After I informed him about the issue of the watch, I requested if he would issue a refund? Then he went cold and wouldn’t get back to me for 2 days. Then I texted him and said if he could get it fix then maybe it’s ok. That’s when the communication line was back up. Anyhow, my main concern now is to track down my package from USPS. I’ll keep everyone updated.....

You know what they say about "assume."

Laszlo · 11 March 2018, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 77T

Yeah I agree a part inside a watch can fail even if you had it serviced. Mistakes happen. And a good seller will back up their watches - of course, once it arrives.

So I was just trying to separate the two instances.

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Agree. It happens.

Had a watch serviced once and it stopped running two-months later.

Sending an expensive item through any service without insurance is well... not very smart at all.

DahMan · 11 March 2018, 02:41 PM

My brother sent me a package, nothing special, 2 day delivery, I kept getting delay messages from USPS, package arrived in 11 days, all kids of stuff stamped all over it,
Shouldn’t of sent wo insurance

MinMay · 11 March 2018, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandontran

The DJ was a random serial dated 2014 so it wasn’t that old. The seller told me that he had it serviced just a few months before so for the watch to stop working in 2 after receiving it is somewhat of an dishonesty on the seller’s part. So I must assume that he knew there was something with it but decided to ship it because he’s already got paid. After I informed him about the issue of the watch, I requested if he would issue a refund? Then he went cold and wouldn’t get back to me for 2 days. Then I texted him and said if he could get it fix then maybe it’s ok. That’s when the communication line was back up. Anyhow, my main concern now is to track down my package from USPS. I’ll keep everyone updated.....

If you are not happy with the transaction, then you can always give him feedback in Buyers/Sellers "Who's Who" section.

I hope USPS locate your watch, otherwise, it will be an expensive lesson. Good luck.

onkyo · 12 March 2018, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandontran

The DJ was a random serial dated 2014 so it wasn’t that old. The seller told me that he had it serviced just a few months before so for the watch to stop working in 2 after receiving it is somewhat of an dishonesty on the seller’s part. So I must assume that he knew there was something with it but decided to ship it because he’s already got paid. After I informed him about the issue of the watch, I requested if he would issue a refund? Then he went cold and wouldn’t get back to me for 2 days. Then I texted him and said if he could get it fix then maybe it’s ok. That’s when the communication line was back up. Anyhow, my main concern now is to track down my package from USPS. I’ll keep everyone updated.....

I have had multiple watches (not just rolex) stop working after factory and non OEM service. It happens. I would not make the assumption you made about the seller.

77T · 12 March 2018, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MinMay

If you are not happy with the transaction, then you can always give him feedback in Buyers/Sellers "Who's Who" section.

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The real meaning of Who’s Who is for TRF members to rate TRF sellers. This deal was done on TZ, IIRC.

Let’s all recall the main rule: TRF frowns upon bringing disputes here from other websites/places. If a dispute arises with this seller, it should be taken up with the TZ website Mods.

Now OP actually just asked about help in finding a lost USPS package as opposed to a disputed transaction. However the wealth of info about the transaction does lead us to ask about the balky DJ seller of course.

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jvmartin · 12 March 2018, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by onkyo

I have had multiple watches (not just rolex) stop working after factory and non OEM service. It happens. I would not make the assumption you made about the seller.

It doesn't just happen with watches... you ever seen the line of newer cars outside a mercedes or BMW dealership? I have also had my fair share of watches stop after service over minor issues... the package may also have been dropped during shipping or any number of possibilities... this is why a thorough service will include 3 days post service to inspect that the watch is running accurately on and off a watch winder... most buyers do not agree with this extended inspection period as they would rather receive their watch ASAP... ever wonder why it takes Rolex weeks to return your watch??

116710er · 12 March 2018, 05:14 PM

I have feeling that the service that was done on the watch is the problem. When people say "serviced", you need to know WHO serviced it. Was a RSC service? A known Rolex specialist? Or just some random "watchmaker". Probably a shoddy service done by a shoddy shop.

brandontran · 24 March 2018, 12:16 AM

I bought this watch without certificate. I didn’t have it authentication before I sent it to back him. That was another mistake. I really do think this guy is one of the best scammer out there.
This is how it was: He posted 2 Rolex watch for sale. I was only interested in one but he made me a really good offer so I decided to get both. Made payment and etc....the shipping was delayed a bit, he said for some reason one of the watch stop running. But he assured me the other one was running fine....the one I bought. When I received, I noticed there’s a white dot on the glass of the watch which was kinda odd. Then the watch stop running 2 days later. He said send it back and he’ll take care of it. That’s why the package is now lost. I called the PO there, they told me they talked to the driver and she said she might of already delivered the package but maybe forgot to have him sign because he’s got tons of packages delivered to his house. He said he never got the package but I really think he did. This guy is smooth but seems very dishonest after payment was received for the watch. He sold me a damaged watch and he lied about it. And I believe his references are his accomplices. I wonder if I should go to the cops....will they be able to do anything?

Ripcode · 24 March 2018, 12:31 AM

The problem is that you have no proof of delivery. And without full insurance, you may be out of luck.

schaumburgla · 24 March 2018, 12:49 AM

I do not understand why you would not take out insurance on a return; usps insurance is like pennies on the dollar.
May be a longshot but check with your homeowners insurance to see if they may cover this...
Good luck, I hope you have a positive outcome to this.

Justin

BigBoyTime · 24 March 2018, 12:51 AM

This is terrible. I hope things turn around for you.

Jim Smyth · 24 March 2018, 02:03 AM

You can rest assured it wasnt fixed by a RSC. If it was the watch gets returned with a new 2 year warranty card which would have been a selling point and included in the package. Watches show up broke occasionally. I have had 2 in the last 10 years. The shippers are all Gorillas and dont give a $hit. But when this happens its usually not a problem when you buy the seller. Send it back, it gets fixed and then returned. Thats how its supposed to work. The problem now rests with you. You did not insure your investment. Whether it was lost, stolen, misplaced, scammed etc really wont matter because you didnt get insurance. This is going to be a tough life lesson.

brandontran · 24 March 2018, 02:47 AM

I agreed, that was a huge mistake on my part for not getting a full insurance. Like I said, I've mailed hundred of packages in the past. Not 1 of them got lost until now.......But I really do believe the package did got delivered. I think the seller lied to me.

Hoppyjr · 24 March 2018, 02:55 AM

Disregard

brandontran · 24 March 2018, 05:13 AM

I just received a call from the USPS main office that did their investigation. They told me they did indeed delivered the package on March 1st!!!

77T · 24 March 2018, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by brandontran

I just received a call from the USPS main office that did their investigation. They told me they did indeed delivered the package on March 1st!!!

That’s a good result if they can put it in writing as part of closing out the investigation. The seller may continue to claim the tracking says never delivered - or may go in a different direction like saying it must have been stolen from his mailbox.

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brandontran · 24 March 2018, 05:38 AM

I’ve been trying to contact the seller the past 3 days with numerous text and calls. No luck. I just brought this attention to him from USPS. He just finally responded. But he claims he never receive the package!! They USPS office assured me that it was indeed delivered to his address...9904...
He said he will ask his neighbors tomorrow. The USPS go further doing their investigation and will try to have the driver stop by his house and have him get his signature.

breitlings · 24 March 2018, 05:55 AM

I've seen this before. It'll be delivered, but perhaps with something "extra."

brandontran · 24 March 2018, 06:18 AM

Right now he claims he never receive the watch but the label provided by USPS said otherwise. So it’s his words against them. What’s next?

freefly · 24 March 2018, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandontran

Right now he claims he never receive the watch but the label provided by USPS said otherwise. So it’s his words against them. What’s next?

Very interesting. The tracking number still shows an "alert" and "out for delivery" but NOT delivered. Now USPS and/or the carrier is trying to say/confirm that it was in fact delivered?
From the the tracking page, it looks like it was sent out with signature confirmation. So if in fact it was delivered, they should have a record of that signature, and be able to provide it to you as proof of delivery.

That said, I don't see any scenario where you would be compensated (other than the cost of shipping) if you didn't have adequate insurance on the package, even if they admit fault.

Keep on it!

brandontran · 24 March 2018, 06:53 AM

What happened was, when I purchase the label #9405511899560555090594...the PO guy forgot to charge me for the signature confirmation. Then he printed out another label with confirmation #9510 8160 1927 8057 1807 65. I think I made a mistake on provided the tracking to the seller because then we saw the one with the confirmation signature indicating that it was delayed, I think he thought if the item is missing then this would’nt be his fault because he claims he never receive the watch. But base on the label with the signature, it does indicated that it was delivered on March 1st.

locutus49 · 24 March 2018, 07:03 AM

You should raise this on TZ, not here. It was there that you had the problem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandontran

What happened was, when I purchase the label #9405511899560555090594...the PO guy forgot to charge me for the signature confirmation. Then he printed out another label with confirmation #9510 8160 1927 8057 1807 65. I think I made a mistake on provided the tracking to the seller because then we saw the one with the confirmation signature indicating that it was delayed, I think he thought if the item is missing then this would’nt be his fault because he claims he never receive the watch. But base on the label with the signature, it does indicated that it was delivered on March 1st.

brandontran · 24 March 2018, 07:35 AM

I want to bring this awareness to our member here so they could help and also to help our member be aware.

turboevo2 · 24 March 2018, 07:49 AM

I use to ship my Rolex to Texas Rolex service center. They send me a box and instructed me to ship via USPS and I always buy full amount insurance for my watch just in case it gets lost.

brandontran · 24 March 2018, 07:55 AM

It turns out the package wa delivered on March 1st....label #9405511899560555090594. The seller claims he never receive it.
Clearly he’s lying. I knew it all along. Now what!?

Baco Noir · 24 March 2018, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandontran

It turns out the package wa delivered on March 1st....label #9405511899560555090594. The seller claims he never receive it.
Clearly he’s lying. I knew it all along. Now what!?

It was deliver 22 days ago and you just now figured this out? You sent it without insurance and without signature required? Without proof that it was accepted into his/her hands, then the possibility exists it was delivered to the wrong address, stolen from the porch/mailbox, etc.

Seems like you didn't get scammed but instead learned some very important lessons.

11 March 2018, 09:14 AM	#32
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 42,017	Yeah I agree a part inside a watch can fail even if you had it serviced. Mistakes happen. And a good seller will back up their watches - of course, once it arrives. So I was just trying to separate the two instances. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

24 March 2018, 12:49 AM	#44
schaumburgla 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Justin S. Location: Southeastern U.S. Watch: 5513 Sub Posts: 790	Why no insurance its so cheap with USPS?? I do not understand why you would not take out insurance on a return; usps insurance is like pennies on the dollar. May be a longshot but check with your homeowners insurance to see if they may cover this... Good luck, I hope you have a positive outcome to this. Justin

24 March 2018, 02:55 AM	#48
Hoppyjr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Washington State Posts: 441	I’m think I got scammed...... Disregard

11 March 2018, 01:03 PM	#33
brandontran "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Paul Location: USA Watch: Daytona 16528 Posts: 173	The DJ was a random serial dated 2014 so it wasn’t that old. The seller told me that he had it serviced just a few months before so for the watch to stop working in 2 after receiving it is somewhat of an dishonesty on the seller’s part. So I must assume that he knew there was something with it but decided to ship it because he’s already got paid. After I informed him about the issue of the watch, I requested if he would issue a refund? Then he went cold and wouldn’t get back to me for 2 days. Then I texted him and said if he could get it fix then maybe it’s ok. That’s when the communication line was back up. Anyhow, my main concern now is to track down my package from USPS. I’ll keep everyone updated.....

11 March 2018, 02:41 PM	#36
DahMan Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Florida Posts: 635	My brother sent me a package, nothing special, 2 day delivery, I kept getting delay messages from USPS, package arrived in 11 days, all kids of stuff stamped all over it, Shouldn’t of sent wo insurance

12 March 2018, 05:14 PM	#41
116710er "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: 'murica Watch: yer six. Posts: 576	I have feeling that the service that was done on the watch is the problem. When people say "serviced", you need to know WHO serviced it. Was a RSC service? A known Rolex specialist? Or just some random "watchmaker". Probably a shoddy service done by a shoddy shop.

24 March 2018, 12:16 AM	#42
brandontran "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Paul Location: USA Watch: Daytona 16528 Posts: 173	I bought this watch without certificate. I didn’t have it authentication before I sent it to back him. That was another mistake. I really do think this guy is one of the best scammer out there. This is how it was: He posted 2 Rolex watch for sale. I was only interested in one but he made me a really good offer so I decided to get both. Made payment and etc....the shipping was delayed a bit, he said for some reason one of the watch stop running. But he assured me the other one was running fine....the one I bought. When I received, I noticed there’s a white dot on the glass of the watch which was kinda odd. Then the watch stop running 2 days later. He said send it back and he’ll take care of it. That’s why the package is now lost. I called the PO there, they told me they talked to the driver and she said she might of already delivered the package but maybe forgot to have him sign because he’s got tons of packages delivered to his house. He said he never got the package but I really think he did. This guy is smooth but seems very dishonest after payment was received for the watch. He sold me a damaged watch and he lied about it. And I believe his references are his accomplices. I wonder if I should go to the cops....will they be able to do anything?

24 March 2018, 12:31 AM	#43
Ripcode "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Real Name: Michael Location: Michigan Watch: 16610 Posts: 319	The problem is that you have no proof of delivery. And without full insurance, you may be out of luck.

24 March 2018, 12:51 AM	#45
BigBoyTime "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: montreal Posts: 15	This is terrible. I hope things turn around for you.

24 March 2018, 02:03 AM	#46
Jim Smyth Banned Join Date: Nov 2013 Real Name: Jim Smyth Location: Florida Watch: DD Posts: 1,842	You can rest assured it wasnt fixed by a RSC. If it was the watch gets returned with a new 2 year warranty card which would have been a selling point and included in the package. Watches show up broke occasionally. I have had 2 in the last 10 years. The shippers are all Gorillas and dont give a $hit. But when this happens its usually not a problem when you buy the seller. Send it back, it gets fixed and then returned. Thats how its supposed to work. The problem now rests with you. You did not insure your investment. Whether it was lost, stolen, misplaced, scammed etc really wont matter because you didnt get insurance. This is going to be a tough life lesson.

24 March 2018, 02:47 AM	#47
brandontran "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Paul Location: USA Watch: Daytona 16528 Posts: 173	I agreed, that was a huge mistake on my part for not getting a full insurance. Like I said, I've mailed hundred of packages in the past. Not 1 of them got lost until now.......But I really do believe the package did got delivered. I think the seller lied to me.

24 March 2018, 05:13 AM	#49
brandontran "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Paul Location: USA Watch: Daytona 16528 Posts: 173	I just received a call from the USPS main office that did their investigation. They told me they did indeed delivered the package on March 1st!!!

24 March 2018, 05:38 AM	#51
brandontran "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Paul Location: USA Watch: Daytona 16528 Posts: 173	I’ve been trying to contact the seller the past 3 days with numerous text and calls. No luck. I just brought this attention to him from USPS. He just finally responded. But he claims he never receive the package!! They USPS office assured me that it was indeed delivered to his address...9904... He said he will ask his neighbors tomorrow. The USPS go further doing their investigation and will try to have the driver stop by his house and have him get his signature.

24 March 2018, 05:55 AM	#52
breitlings Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Bethesda Watch: Apple TV Posts: 5,744	I've seen this before. It'll be delivered, but perhaps with something "extra."

24 March 2018, 06:18 AM	#53
brandontran "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Paul Location: USA Watch: Daytona 16528 Posts: 173	Right now he claims he never receive the watch but the label provided by USPS said otherwise. So it’s his words against them. What’s next?

24 March 2018, 06:53 AM	#55
brandontran "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Paul Location: USA Watch: Daytona 16528 Posts: 173	What happened was, when I purchase the label #9405511899560555090594...the PO guy forgot to charge me for the signature confirmation. Then he printed out another label with confirmation #9510 8160 1927 8057 1807 65. I think I made a mistake on provided the tracking to the seller because then we saw the one with the confirmation signature indicating that it was delayed, I think he thought if the item is missing then this would’nt be his fault because he claims he never receive the watch. But base on the label with the signature, it does indicated that it was delivered on March 1st.

24 March 2018, 07:35 AM	#57
brandontran "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Paul Location: USA Watch: Daytona 16528 Posts: 173	I want to bring this awareness to our member here so they could help and also to help our member be aware.

24 March 2018, 07:49 AM	#58
turboevo2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Ryan Location: CA, USA Watch: Rolex GMT2C Posts: 333	I use to ship my Rolex to Texas Rolex service center. They send me a box and instructed me to ship via USPS and I always buy full amount insurance for my watch just in case it gets lost.

24 March 2018, 07:55 AM	#59
brandontran "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Paul Location: USA Watch: Daytona 16528 Posts: 173	It turns out the package wa delivered on March 1st....label #9405511899560555090594. The seller claims he never receive it. Clearly he’s lying. I knew it all along. Now what!?

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