Gmt 16710

[samson66]

I had a 16710 not long ago but sold it. It's a really great watch. Very much goes back to the tool legacy of Rolex before ceramic bezels put the GMT's into sort of a new level in terms of cost and made them a little less of a tool watch and a little more towards jewlery. My personal issue with it was the size. For my wrist it was smaller than I wanted, so I sold it and put the money towards an SD43. But it was a great watch and I do miss it.

[TarponGeorge]

I see people referring to the versatility of the 16710. Can someone help me understand this? I realize the ability to switch out different colored bezel inserts and different bracelets allows for a variety of different looks. I’m just struggling to understand how this makes the reference any more versatile than say, a Sub, or any other Rolex sports model. How do the different looks make it more suitable for different activities or functions? Do the different looks create a wider range of formality levels? Or, what? Sorry to be obtuse. I just honestly don’t understand the versatility aspect of the watch, which I’ve seen mentioned a couple of times in this thread alone.

[2th_doc]

Originally Posted by TarponGeorge

I see people referring to the versatility of the 16710. Can someone help me understand this? I realize the ability to switch out different colored bezel inserts and different bracelets allows for a variety of different looks. I’m just struggling to understand how this makes the reference any more versatile than say, a Sub, or any other Rolex sports model. How do the different looks make it more suitable for different activities or functions? Do the different looks create a wider range of formality levels? Or, what? Sorry to be obtuse. I just honestly don’t understand the versatility aspect of the watch, which I’ve seen mentioned a couple of times in this thread alone.

Definition of versatile is: changeable; inconstant. Therefore the ability to switch inserts makes it more versatile than a Sub, or any other Rolex sports model. It is by far the favorite piece in my collection because of this “versatility.”


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[ink3027]

Originally Posted by Lakesclub

Hey Guys. Been lurking for years, but recently decided to join up and get serious.

I’m thinking for my first purchase, I’m going pre-owned, either 16610 or 16710. Can’t justify paying new retail in this bubble, with so many other obligations (kids, wife, house etc..)

Question - Why have the GMT 16710 retained/grown in value? It looks like I can pick up a nice 16610 for around $6.5k but the GMT 16710 watches are all $7.5+?

Thanks!

My advice would be to get the nicest 16710 you can. If you decide to sell it down the road, you'll get maximum value for it at that point. With the market being what it is right now, that will likely be in the $9k-$10k range.

[sensui]

Really comes down to versatility (changing of bracelet between oyster/jubilee and changing inserts between the black/coke/pepsi inserts) and proportions (timeless proportions with the thinner lugs that's proven to be every bit as tank built as modern watches). The movement itself has never changed much since the 3185.....and finding nice conditioned pieces is only getting harder and harder no matter how many were made....that's just supply/demand working. So the price no matter what will continue to go up unless Rolex comes out with a magic bullet of a modern GMT that neutralizes all of these factors (not happening especially the way they've implemented inserts/bracelet interchangeability now).

[Lakesclub]

Lots of great information. Really appreciate it!

[meyers]

recaro18 - your posts remind me that I need more bezel inserts in my life!

The 16710 is just such a great piece. Sometimes I literally just stare at mine while sitting at my desk at work. It's pathetic really

[Gob Bluth]

There’s nothing better imo. Pepsi even looks good disguised as root beer.


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[SLS]

IMO, it is because the new ceramic style bezel inserts will never develop their own unique characteristics like the original aluminum inserts did. Add to that the versatility of the 16710 and it's truly a winner.

[TimeOnHand]

[mementomori1983]

Lots of great points already covered by the posters above. I'd also like to note that the 16710 brings versatility of choosing between PCL and non-PCL bracelets, since the jubilees have PCL's while the oysters feature brushed center links. Great way to lean sporty or dressy.

I'd echo the above advice to skip the 3186 movement. With prices for those reaching $15k+, it's too much premium for a small technical improvement IMO. Instead, pay a premium for a late 90's/early 00's specimen in top-notch condition that's part of a full set.

Mine's a U-serial. More enabling:

[LLmrol]

I thought all u series had Swiss only dials?

Originally Posted by mementomori1983

Lots of great points already covered by the posters above. I'd also like to note that the 16710 brings versatility of choosing between PCL and non-PCL bracelets, since the jubilees have PCL's while the oysters feature brushed center links. Great way to lean sporty or dressy.

I'd echo the above advice to skip the 3186 movement. With prices for those reaching $15k+, it's too much premium for a small technical improvement IMO. Instead, pay a premium for a late 90's/early 00's specimen in top-notch condition that's part of a full set.

Mine's a U-serial.

[TarponGeorge]

Originally Posted by LLmrol

I thought all u series had Swiss only dials?

Appearing in another thread today:

“Most likely probability for U serial 14060.........
Tritium dial 1997
Swiss only dial 1998”

[Jmbarrack]

This is a very interesting read. Much like the OP, I am looking into buying a GMT also and was wondering about the difference in pricing.

For me, I'm leaning towards a 116710 but also pre-owned. The pricing seems to be just right on those models for excellent condition stock only a few years old. Though you have to hunt pretty good to find them!

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by Lakesclub

Hey Guys. Been lurking for years, but recently decided to join up and get serious.

I’m thinking for my first purchase, I’m going pre-owned, either 16610 or 16710. Can’t justify paying new retail in this bubble, with so many other obligations (kids, wife, house etc..)

Question - Why have the GMT 16710 retained/grown in value? It looks like I can pick up a nice 16610 for around $6.5k but the GMT 16710 watches are all $7.5+?

Thanks!

Well you're not going to find either brand new, so that's a non issue.

The 16710 for whatever reason is just a little more popular.

I think the hype surrounding the small run of 3186 movements in the 16710s pumped a little bit of craze into the more common 3185 movements. I also think the small dial variations and nuances between different serial numbers and years, created a little more enthusiasm and interest among collectors.

They are both fantastic watches. I prefer submariners, but I do think the 16710 will remain a little more "collectible", especially with the 2018 release of the updated SS pepsi GMT.

[ras47]

Inspired by all the beautiful BLROs here, I have made a mid-day switch.

[meyers]

Great day for a 16710 BLRO, although mine is looking decidedly VIRO today (violet rouge)