Steve McQueen Sub at Auction in October

[doubleinfive]

I also like his Hanhart 417 Chronograph...

Given the past and upcoming auctions, I would rather have Jack Nicklaus' Day-Date...that one is really battle-tested...

[kauffee]

Originally Posted by doubleinfive

I also like his Hanhart 417 Chronograph...

Given the past and upcoming auctions, I would rather have Jack Nicklaus' Day-Date...that one is really battle-tested...

Agree, I think Nicklaus' Day-Date should be much more valuable than this watch.

[jb335]

Originally Posted by kauffee

I think this watch could underperform the whisper estimates.

1. McQueen gifted it to his stuntman and it's unclear if he ever wore it himself
2. It has non-original parts - dial and hands
3. After the fire damage, it was "restored" by Rolex so the original patina/wear and tear was polished away

Even if I had millions to spend, this wouldn't be high on my list.

It's tough to get into the minds of people that have millions to spend on hobbies but I would tend to agree with this.

I'll take the under.

[Wiener48]

Phillips To Auction Steve McQueen's Rolex Submariner Ref. 5513

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/ph...riner-ref-5513

[ChipClip2]

Originally Posted by kauffee

I think this watch could underperform the whisper estimates.

1. McQueen gifted it to his stuntman and it's unclear if he ever wore it himself
2. It has non-original parts - dial and hands
3. After the fire damage, it was "restored" by Rolex so the original patina/wear and tear was polished away

Even if I had millions to spend, this wouldn't be high on my list.

Came here to say this. It's really a stretch on Phillips' part to even call this a McQueen watch. I suppose they're just doing their job as the auction house to generate hype, but that doesn't make it right.

[brandrea]

I’m betting on the over

[rallyx]

First we have 'Drive carefully me'. Now we have 'Fall carefully me'

[Finslayer83]

1MM more than the Newman.

Only cause of fast cars and great escapes

[lamnyc]

I don’t think it will reach $300k.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by Bfd70

I know you need to read the article and all, but the pictures are somewhat misleading.
It’s not the watch we wore and was often photographed in, but one he bought and gave to someone. That means it’s not Mqueen’s Rolex for sale, its the stuntman’s. That’s sorta cool I guess...

and there's no proof that McQueen ever even handled or saw the damn thing, it's not like he engraved it himself...

[ArtNouveau]

Did any of you read the article. The watch was bought circa 1964 by McQueen and gifted to the stunt man in the late 70's, it most definitely had a McQueen connection.
And to correct another post, Paul Newman gifted his Daytona to one of his daughter's former boyfriends, that's who sold it.
In the old fashioned sense, gifting a watch that you've worn yourself and made memories with is much more personal than just buying them a new one.

[GT500]

1.75 million. Throw the Mustang into the mix 3 million


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[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by jb335

I don’t think I’ve ever watched a McQueen movie. I recall searching Netflix recently for any, but none were available.


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The Great Escape, Bullitt, Papillon, and The Magnificent Seven are four movies that any movie buff should have seen. McQueen pretty much defined tough guy cool!!! Not too mention he was one hell of an actor.

[GT500]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

The Great Escape, Bullitt, Papillon, and The Magnificent Seven are four movies that any movie buff should have seen. McQueen pretty much defined tough guy cool!!! Not too mention he was one hell of an actor.

This ^^^


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[Nikrnic]

Just wondering if there's documentation to prove this is the one that now wasn't lost in the fire. My guess is someone will go off the charts like the Neuman Daytona. I'm sure there will be a lot of hype.

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[Castlesinthesky]

a bit more about the watch here.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2pMr4b_aEY

[Toaster]

I don't understand. Doesn't the inscription prove it's not McQueen's watch? I mean, it's FROM him not TO him. Am I taking crazy pills?

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[spoilsofwar01]

Originally Posted by Theurbancommando

Steve shared my birthday so I may offer a cheeky bid myself! Seriously, I think this may fetch crazy money regardless of service dial.

your probably correct on this , and if I might add that he Knock on effect is the price of 1960's 5513's will see a significant hike as interest grows Love mine all the same inc of the service dial and hands

[AK797]

In this market anything tying a watch to Newman or McQueen and Brando, who are actually bigger stars than PN, will fetch a lot more money than the high estimate, esp when buyers will not judge on how McQueen this watch is but rather is there an opportunity to buy his 5512 or another of his watches that will be as coveted in the near future, and if the answer is no, then this will fall into that gap and the price will rocket. Opportunity is more important than absolute provenance in this kind of hyped up auction.

[77T]

As some may not have read the entire article the OP shared, the watch belonged to BOTH McQueen and the stuntman who received it as a gift - but sequentially.

Based on its serial number we know it was purchased and worn for years before being gifted to the stuntman years later.

From the article:
“Other watches, even other Rolex Submariners, have appeared in public with established McQueen provenance, but none with this level of personalization. In fact, the present watch is the earliest McQueen-owned Submariner known, a reference 5513 dating to 1964 and gifted to Loren Janes likely in the mid-to-late 1970s as recollected by the surviving Janes family members.

Elevating its importance in the field of elite collectors’ watches, it is the only known Steve McQueen watch to include his name engraved on the caseback, indisputably connecting the watch to its legendary former owner. Furthermore, with its passionate and emphatic dedication to Janes, no other McQueen-owned timepiece has been seen that features such an endearing and personalized engraving.”

This is an almost parallel life story as PLN’s Daytona that he gifted to his son-in-law (but in PLN’s case it was a more casual gift).

Then - amazingly the watch survived a fire, had a complimentary RSC restoration, and lives for another day. The traces of soot are like icing on the cake for an ultra-riche client to buy as a Christmas present for her man (my wild guess).

All said, my thought is a telephone buyer from overseas will likely prevail at something South of $5Million including premium.


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[ArtNouveau]

Originally Posted by 77T

As some may not have read the entire article the OP shared, the watch belonged to BOTH McQueen and the stuntman who received it as a gift - but sequentially.

Based on its serial number we know it was purchased and worn for years before being gifted to the stuntman years later.

From the article:
“Other watches, even other Rolex Submariners, have appeared in public with established McQueen provenance, but none with this level of personalization. In fact, the present watch is the earliest McQueen-owned Submariner known, a reference 5513 dating to 1964 and gifted to Loren Janes likely in the mid-to-late 1970s as recollected by the surviving Janes family members.

Elevating its importance in the field of elite collectors’ watches, it is the only known Steve McQueen watch to include his name engraved on the caseback, indisputably connecting the watch to its legendary former owner. Furthermore, with its passionate and emphatic dedication to Janes, no other McQueen-owned timepiece has been seen that features such an endearing and personalized engraving.”

This is an almost parallel life story as PLN’s Daytona that he gifted to his son-in-law (but in PLN’s case it was a more casual gift).

Then - amazingly the watch survived a fire, had a complimentary RSC restoration, and lives for another day. The traces of soot are like icing on the cake for an ultra-riche client to buy as a Christmas present for her man (my wild guess).

All said, my thought is a telephone buyer from overseas will likely prevail at something South of $5Million including premium.


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Reading all of the posts AND the actual story is hard...see my prior post

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by kauffee

I think this watch could underperform the whisper estimates.

1. McQueen gifted it to his stuntman and it's unclear if he ever wore it himself
2. It has non-original parts - dial and hands
3. After the fire damage, it was "restored" by Rolex so the original patina/wear and tear was polished away

Even if I had millions to spend, this wouldn't be high on my list.

Exactly.

More of a curiosity over who owned it rather than the quality of the watch.

[spoilsofwar01]

Why Doesn't someone get in touch with Phillips and ask? Hold On! I just have,

The response from Philips (Alex Ghotbi) "Cool or what!"


The watch was first owned by Steve McQueen, as documented in the letter from Loren Janes, before it was gifted to Mr. Janes. Please see the attached scan.

The watch is a reference 5513 and its movement is a Rolex caliber 1530, which is correct for a ref. 5513.

Best

Alex

[Eric-London]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

$3M would be my guess!!!

I'd go along with that. $2-3m.
Estimates of $300-600k way too low IMO.

[77T]

Originally Posted by ArtNouveau

Reading all of the posts AND the actual story is hard...see my prior post

Never suggested anyone read all of the posts - just the article. All the info I shared was in that article.

And as others who did read the entire article are now finding confirmation - it WAS Steve’s for many years before being gifted to his lifelong stuntman friend.


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[ArtNouveau]

Originally Posted by 77T

Never suggested anyone read all of the posts - just the article. All the info I shared was in that article.

And as others who did read the entire article are now finding confirmation - it WAS Steve’s for many years before being gifted to his lifelong stuntman friend.


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I wasn't being critical of your post...you read the article. It was the other posters who continued to make comments that were flat out wrong if they had read first.

[dhknola]

This watch is such a dud on so many levels...decent provenance but not great and if the watch was presented in the vintage forums by a potential buyer seeking expert advice, the overwhelming response would be pass unless the asking price was a song.

Phillips hit a grand slam on the PNPN and now seems to be desperately looking to get lightening to strike twice in the same place with this watch, that horrible Elvis Omega and who knows what will come next, maybe a Charlie Sheen special from when he was Wildthing in 'Major League'...

My guess is some schmoe pays 900k for this frankenwatch.

[SeaAndSky]

Who cares? It’s just another Rolex and he was just an entertainer. I’ve never understood the mania for celebrities’ things. Waste of money.

[rallyx]

Wait, its provenance is supported by a letter from the current owner stating it was a gift from Steve McQueen. All other other evidence perished in a fire.

That's like saying I can pardon myself but won't right?

[climblaw25]

This is soooooo cool. What a story! Maybe this story and the forthcoming auction will cause an uptick in values for Subs? Much like the recent Daytona phenomenon?