First Rolex: Struck out at my first attempt to buy

[challer]

Originally Posted by Lifeisarolliecoaster

I would second this. Also paying the little extra is peace of mind, rather than worrying about the authenticity-I’m sure you will consider him for a further Rolex

Nonsense - negotiation is always best done in person and after the goods are seen in person. This wasn't a NIB. It was used and seeing the condition is paramount in pricing. You guys should give the OP an apology. Far too much seller is king attitude on this forum. The guy with the money is king.

[Runner_up]

Originally Posted by PatronMTL

If the 200$ is that much of a big deal, maybe a 4500$ watch isn’t the best way to spend your money at the moment

This.

[Mrpupsi]

Originally Posted by challer

Nonsense - negotiation is always best done in person and after the goods are seen in person. This wasn't a NIB. It was used and seeing the condition is paramount in pricing. You guys should give the OP an apology. Far too much seller is king attitude on this forum. The guy with the money is king.

I agree with this, but not in this case.
The OP has said the watch was just what he wanted, has not stated it was damaged or flawed etc.
There seems no reason to offer less than the asking.
You should be prepared to pay full asking, then discount if any flaws.
OP wasn’t ready to offer the asking in the first place.

Regardless, I hope you do get the watch you want.

[KarlTheToyotaGuy]

Jesus, I certainly hope the majority of those in this thread don’t pay sticker for a car.


Negotiation is done in person, unless someone has to hop on a plane, or drive an unreasonable distance.

[ROlesorusLEX]

Originally Posted by Mrpupsi

I agree with this, but not in this case.
The OP has said the watch was just what he wanted, has not stated it was damaged or flawed etc.
There seems no reason to offer less than the asking.
You should be prepared to pay full asking, then discount if any flaws.
OP wasn’t ready to offer the asking in the first place.

Regardless, I hope you do get the watch you want.

Do you buy cars this way? If so, I may be in the wrong business.

Luxury cars and luxury watches are Veblen goods. Cheaper cars and watches do the same job. I personally don't see the logic in paying an asking price from a seller offering something whose value is not inherent.

Rolexes have inherent value, but nowhere near as high as we are paying for them. Definitely not new ones, but certainly also not used ones.

We pay these prices because we like them, but that's not their inherent value. That's fine if it's affordable, but it also means. . .

Negotiate!

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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by ak797

fair enough, i suppose if you buy cars you might feel you can haggle over the item and maybe use it to point out flaws and get a better price, but with watches usually close up pics can show you everything you need so all the negotiating should be done online first. Then if the watch is not as described you can negotiate further.

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[DLRIDES]

Originally Posted by airchitect

In this case I agree. You should’ve had this worked out in advance. You wasted his time.

Originally Posted by liminc

honestly, this....

This

If one is not prepared to pay asking price, don’t proceed.

[chicagowatchman]

Originally Posted by skhan007

Thanks— Never been in this situation before so did not know that it was a good idea to work out all the dollars before meeting.

Pleazxxxe

[Lgear080]

Sellers fault for not negotiating firm price before meet. Buyer was within reason negotiating given circumstances. Actually admire the walk away over $200. NAH. There should be a consensus between both parties on transaction price. If the item is not as represented then seller can walk, otherwise I’d expect to get paid in full (or pay in full).

[fwhawk]

Originally Posted by challer

Nonsense - negotiation is always best done in person and after the goods are seen in person. This wasn't a NIB. It was used and seeing the condition is paramount in pricing. You guys should give the OP an apology. Far too much seller is king attitude on this forum. The guy with the money is king.

I agree with challer completely. I really don't understand all the posters here who feel the OP was somehow obligated to pay the seller's asking price. Buying a pre-owned watch is always subject to negotiation.

[KarlTheToyotaGuy]

Originally Posted by DLRIDES

This

If one is not prepared to pay asking price, don’t proceed.

So you’ve never purchased anything less than full asking price? Never bothered asking for a discount on a watch, car, or anything else that isn’t a price protected item?

When I sell an item, it is a price that’s more than fair for all parties, and will be an excellent value per condition, age, etc.

I also list such in the ad, along with the fact that my pricing is firm, and I will not budge a penny. Yes, I have left a deal over a penny. That was a waste of my time.

If I’m willing to negotiate, I leave the ball open and start pricing high.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Mrpupsi

If you were going to negotiate, you should of done it before meeting and saved both of you some time.

If i was the seller, I'd be pissed.

[NorthCoaster]

Everything is negotiable. If you don't like it you don't sell.

The OP didn't have a ridiculous offer, so it's not an insult, it's what he was prepared to pay.

[Bizcut1]

Or you could call or go online and deal with DavidSW or one of the other fine, proven sources here and the whole thing would be over in five minutes.

[Syed117]

Good luck in the future, but for that amount of money you should have gone through with it.

You have to consider your time, energy and desire.

Negotiating is fine, but for that amount of money, it's not worth walking away if it's something you really want.

[burnthesehills]

$200 amounts to a nice dinner out.

Get the watch.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by Bizcut1

Or you could call or go online and deal with DavidSW or one of the other fine, proven sources here and the whole thing would be over in five minutes.

He is asking 28% more than I paid at the AD for my Expl II Polar
.Claims are its not difficult to find.
Blue dial SkyD ...thats quite a high price.Even for grey pricing
At that pricing I would also be a very friendly seller.

[Fleetlord]

Work it out before hand.

[Cesium137]

Originally Posted by KarlTheToyotaGuy

Jesus, I certainly hope the majority of those in this thread don’t pay sticker for a car.


Negotiation is done in person, unless someone has to hop on a plane, or drive an unreasonable distance.

Yep, this is the price of being a seller. If you don’t like it, find a different way to flip watches.

[DLRIDES]

Originally Posted by KarlTheToyotaGuy

So you’ve never purchased anything less than full asking price? Never bothered asking for a discount on a watch, car, or anything else that isn’t a price protected item?

When I sell an item, it is a price that’s more than fair for all parties, and will be an excellent value per condition, age, etc.

I also list such in the ad, along with the fact that my pricing is firm, and I will not budge a penny. Yes, I have left a deal over a penny. That was a waste of my time.

If I’m willing to negotiate, I leave the ball open and start pricing high.

I did not say nor imply such.



It sounds as if your negotiating skills are amazingly exemplary compared to the general public ! Quite possibly to the point of various law schools using your methods as case studies for high level contract or foreign affairs negotiations !

[epicurus]

Originally Posted by ROlesorusLEX

Do you buy cars this way? If so, I may be in the wrong business.

Luxury cars and luxury watches are Veblen goods. Cheaper cars and watches do the same job. I personally don't see the logic in paying an asking price from a seller offering something whose value is not inherent.

Rolexes have inherent value, but nowhere near as high as we are paying for them. Definitely not new ones, but certainly also not used ones.

We pay these prices because we like them, but that's not their inherent value. That's fine if it's affordable, but it also means. . .

Negotiate!

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I do. If I want to buy a car, ill make my offer unseen. Why waste both of our time? If seller agrees, we meet and if car was like the sellers pics and as described, the offer stands.

[Calatrava r]

I think most of these face to face meetings simply finalize an agreed upon deal pending inspection, otherwise the price is good for both parties. It makes no sense to meet people anywhere all the time and have to haggle over the price. I do not know, but I suspect your seller believed you were good with the price. Its a little different where you go into a store, for the first time and haggle (as you should).

[ndrs63]

Originally Posted by inadeje

If he won't budge it will be because he is into the watch for what you’re offering, or maybe slightly more. It could be he would lose money. The margins on DJs are slim at best, especially the less sought after pieces. I am pleased you want Roman, in my view its the way to go with the DJ. That being said, here is mine to wet your appetite

Nice!! Very “manly”...


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[hoot504]

I also don't understand your finances that you're about to spend $4400 on a watch but let a sale collapse for $200... I understand wanting to get a good price but when I was ready to buy my first I would not have stressed over that amount of money.

[Ticknaway]

Originally Posted by yOyOYoo

Call the seller, apologize for your low ball offer, and kindly offer to pay his discounted price. You said it yourself, "...just what I wanted. It was beautiful."

Couldn’t be said any better way! IMHO.

[ROlesorusLEX]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

I think most of these face to face meetings simply finalize an agreed upon deal pending inspection, otherwise the price is good for both parties. It makes no sense to meet people anywhere all the time and have to haggle over the price. I do not know, but I suspect your seller believed you were good with the price. Its a little different where you go into a store, for the first time and haggle (as you should).

No doubt about it, if they finalized the price on the phone, then the buyer asked for more off at the meeting for a watch he wanted and admitted was perfect, then yes, that would be off putting for the seller. That is not acting in good faith.

However, if the meetup was to see the watch and settle on a price, then the buyer should negotiate.

I think the point being made by those on the negotiate side is to counter the argument some seem to be making that one should just expect to pay the seller's price if a watch is in good spec and it is what you want.

That argument, at least in my opinion, is not valid.

It also seems the case that if $200 is making the deal, this may be the wrong game.

[SLSteve]

Originally Posted by epicurus

I do. If I want to buy a car, ill make my offer unseen. Why waste both of our time? If seller agrees, we meet and if car was like the sellers pics and as described, the offer stands.

There is not a single carsalesperson who appreciates your practice. Because first you want to negotiate sight unseen, and then come look at the car and go look and find more faults to talk about the price again. So now they have to negotiate twice with you, or best case HOPE you are not going to nitpick. This not what a carsalesperson likes. Not at all.

[ROlesorusLEX]

Car salespersons don't care if you get a fair deal or not. They care about making the most money they can, and they should in a free market system. Why should the buyer care how the car salesperson feels about the tactics of the buyer? Their only goal should be the best price they can get. It's bloodsport because the buyer presumably works hard for the money they are spending. If a seller can't handle how the sausage is made, then get a helmet.

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[Saint-Tropez]

Originally Posted by Mrpupsi

To be honest, he had it advertised at a certain price.
You asked him to to take time out of his day to meet you and then lowballed him.
I feel sorry for him and not you.
If you were going to negotiate, you should of done it before meeting and saved both of you some time.

$300- less is far from a low-ball offer. I've heard stories about what dealers offer people who either desire to sell or trade. Maybe you should check out Bobs Watches for the retail vs what they pay you if you sell prices to get up to speed.

An offer, in most every location other than the USA (and many places here for that matter) expected, and largely the starting point of a negotiation. It's only worth that which another is willing to pay, or if you are buying, than what YOU are willing to pay. My money is good to someone if not the first 1,2,3,4+ people. I can and do offer what I want (after accessing the metrics), and sometimes I offer substantially lower if it benefits me should I sense I am negotiating from a position of power, other times I'll pay MSRP if something is less commonly available; on rare occasions, even astronomically higher if its very old, rare, or limited quantity and I simply must experience the ownership to appreciate it myself. To the original poster, maybe he walked away simply over something many here lack from reading through lots of posts....its called discipline and principal. Thats what he was willing to pay, and through his determination and time spend hunting, he will certainly find the same or even better watch for that money or less. Good on him for it too.

Why are you offended on someone else's behalf? The original poster clearly said they enjoyed some good conversation, and it obviously ended amicably. This looks like another case of the right information and wrong interpretation. However it seems to me from your other comments that you may have been offended when another did that to you previously, thus feel compelled to jab the next guy who had nothing to do with that when you sensed an iota of familiarity in his circumstance.

Life is to short to be stressing out over these things. Don't sweat the small stuff.

[epicurus]

Originally Posted by SLSteve

There is not a single carsalesperson who appreciates your practice. Because first you want to negotiate sight unseen, and then come look at the car and go look and find more faults to talk about the price again. So now they have to negotiate twice with you, or best case HOPE you are not going to nitpick. This not what a carsalesperson likes. Not at all.

I bought my last 3 cars this way. No need to waste anyones time.....most importantly, mine. All 3 cars checked out, were as described, and both parties walked away happy. If seller is honest in cars description and price is already negociated, its an easy transaction.