Daytona C and Speedy Pro questions

[schoolboy]

Originally Posted by rominvicta

Just a way to sell your 116500 avoiding all rules?

Maybe? Or maybe OP is just being honest, who knows

I have gotten that vibe from other posts though

[desertwanderer]

If you think the Speedy is too large at 42mm then bear in mind they do a couple of 40mm models and also the '57 trilogy edition which is 39mm.

[cascavel]

You've been on this website long enough to have figured out that a new Daytona sells for about twice retail in the secondary market. You live in NYC so you know where 47th st. is. If you buy the Daytona new, at retail from an AD and you don't like it you can take it to 47th st. and sell it and have enough profit to pay for a Speedmaster Pro at Omega on 5th Ave.
Seems like the kind of problem everyone would like to have.

[sensui]

Speedy pro wears nothing like the 42mm it suggests....very comfortable and sleek....one of Omega's last stables for a thinner watch. But the Daytona wears sleeker and more comfortable on the wrist for sure.

[Greg 59]

Originally Posted by rominvicta

Just a way to sell your 116500 avoiding all rules?

There's possibly some truth in this, now I think about it.

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[JPS]

Daytona is the most comfortable wearing watch out there!

[Chester01]

Originally Posted by elcabo

I'm trying to figure out which watch actually wears better on the wrist, the Daytona C or the Speedy Pro. Reason being, my AD said I'm next up for a white Daytona C. I believe the AD because they delivered my 114060 in only 3 weeks. If anybody owns the white Daytona C and the Speedy Pro, would you mind posting pics of each on the wrist?

I absolutely love the Daytona, but it's still over 12k at retail. If the Speedy Pro wears better, it'd be hard for me to justify paying 3x as much for a Daytona. I emphasize wear and comfort in this post b/c I find that my 114060 isn't the comfiest or best fitting watch, and I told myself the next watch I add has to fit like a glove. Any insight would be appreciated! (And no, I would never consider buying the Daytona and flipping it for a quick buck).

I own a 116520 and speedy pro. Speedy pro fits as well with the bracelet though this is not the case for many as it lacks fine adjustments. The dial is infinitely more legible and functional if you actually use your watch and chrono as I do. But as for the feel, that’s one of preference you must try them on.

The speedy pro has many strap options and so ones fit depends on if you wear bracelet or strap and the Daytona is a bit smaller. The looks and functionality are way different. The Daytona very blingy and the speedy pro very under the radar and vintage looking. The value, is what stands out. For me, the speedy pro is the better watch for functionality, versatility, and appearance and it gets way more wrist time. But don’t rely on others pics alone, try both on and see.

[elcabo]

Thank you to everybody that has shared their thoughts on this!
I want to clear some items up so that the discussion doesn't get side tracked.

1. I'm not going to flip it if I buy it. Like I stated earlier, I get attached to my watches. Save for an OP I sold to help fund my 114060, I have not sold anything from the collection. Even parting with the OP was hard, but I felt okay selling it since I got it second hand. Yes there would be easy money in flipping, but it would ruin my relationship w/ my AD. In short, I would not sell the Daytona. I'd rather another enthusiast get the chance to own a grail.

2. I love the idea of getting both and then selling one, but see above. In addition as stated earlier, my collection has one of everything- one dive watch, one dress watch, one quirky watch, and one chronograph (in the future).

3. Thank you again to those posting pics, it's super helpful! I'm honestly torn...

[Chester01]

Originally Posted by MinMay

There is a reason why Daytona is a huge demand and price appreciation....

No need for hyping Daytona...clearly the answer is given.

Yes, media hype, celebrity affiliation, etc. How else do you explain why an excessively shiny watch, with illegible sundials, which only claim is a salad dressing guy wore it?

[Crazy Lugs]

Originally Posted by elcabo

3. Thank you again to those posting pics, it's super helpful! I'm honestly torn...

Wait for the call and try it on. You will know right away when it hits your wrist whether it’s for you. If not you can pass with a clean conscience without always wondering what if...

[inadeje]

19cm / 7.5 inch wrist

[RolyMoly]

Originally Posted by asiparks

I prefer the Speedy, but that's me, not you. As Daytonas are as common as gold unicorn farts, I'd buy it when offered, then pick up a pre owned Speedy for about $3.5K. Then you can wear them both for a couple of weeks to get a feel for each.

If you like the Daytona better, you'll lose maybe $200 reselling the Speedy. If you like the Speedy better, you'll make at least one billion billion dollars selling the Daytona.

You're not really going to lose out either way.

[elcabo]

Originally Posted by Chester01

Yes, media hype, celebrity affiliation, etc. How else do you explain why an excessively shiny watch, with illegible sundials, which only claim is a salad dressing guy wore it?

Lmaooooooooo "salad dressing guy"

[elcabo]

Originally Posted by inadeje

19cm / 7.5 inch wrist

Wow those are sharp. Do you find yourself wearing the steel or TT Daytona more often?

[Brny11]

Originally Posted by elcabo

What I'm picking up from the responses is that overall, the Daytona is the better fitting and more comfortable watch. I also personally think it is way better looking than the speedy. Thus, I would tend to agree that the Daytona C is the overall better watch. However, and I realize I am reframing the discussion here, is the price tag worth it? 12k versus 4k? Those of you who have owned both, is the premium worth it? I suppose I could get the speedy and postpone the Daytona, but my AD said I'm next up for it. In a nutshell, I wouldn't want to pass up the opportunity of a Daytona at retail, but I also don't want to shell out the money if it's not THAT much better than a Speedy.

If 12.5k vs 5.35k (new) is your inquiry, your looking at the wrong numbers to determine other people’s definition of “worth it”. You do not need a thread for this. Look at the 2nd hand numbers. With all the iconic status the speedy holds, it goes for 3-4K (>20% loss out the door), where as Daytona is 25k. That is not just because it is a Rolex (as many do not command that type of premium). It is the most stunning modern watch on the market today IMO. Speedy is not.

If you don’t want to spend 12k+, I get it, but there is no comparison between the two... especially on this forum.


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[Chester01]

Originally Posted by elcabo

Lmaooooooooo "salad dressing guy"

I mean seriously, the Daytona is a nice watch, but the prices these things are going for is causing folks to lose perspective.

The purpose of a watch is functionality. If one can’t read the subdials , then what is is beside wrist jewelry? Am i the only one on this forum who realizes that there are not enough hash marks on the subdials to read the minutes accurately!!!

Why is it “famous”? The reality is it’s Behind the moon watch, el primero, and even the navitimer in terms of real importance, contribution, etc.


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[elcabo]

Originally Posted by Brny11

If 12.5k vs 5.35k (new) is your inquiry, your looking at the wrong numbers to determine other people’s definition of “worth it”. You do not need a thread for this. Look at the 2nd hand numbers. With all the iconic status the speedy holds, it goes for 3-4K (>20% loss out the door), where as Daytona is 25k. That is not just because it is a Rolex (as many do not command that type of premium). It is the most stunning modern watch on the market today IMO. Speedy is not.

If you don’t want to spend 12k+, I get it, but there is no comparison between the two... especially on this forum.


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I follow your reasoning. My concern is more about what enjoyment will I get from the watch versus how much I am forking over for said watch. I guess the best way to put it is a ratio. Price is certainly a factor in that calculation. To me, the market value is irrelevant to the equation because I could never justify spending 25k for a 12k watch. (Not judging others' choice to do so, more power to you!)

So in sum, I suppose my inquiry to forum members is whether they think one could get three times as much enjoyment/value from the Daytona. If the answer is yes, then I would go with the Daytona in a heartbeat. I realize everything is a matter of preference, but I posted here to get others' opinion. And yes, I know enjoyment/value are terms that are hard to quantify and are purely subjective. But that's what I'm looking for! Forum members' opinion.
Thank you for your post, it's helping me re-frame the question in a way that actually conveys what I'm trying to get across.

[elcabo]

Originally Posted by Chester01

I mean seriously, the Daytona is a nice watch, but the prices these things are going for is causing folks to lose perspective.

The purpose of a watch is functionality. If one can’t read the subdials , then what is is beside wrist jewelry? Am i the only one on this forum who realizes that there are not enough hash marks on the subdials to read the minutes accurately!!!

Why is it “famous”? The reality is it’s Behind the moon watch, el primero, and even the navitimer in terms of real importance, contribution, etc.


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I think you may be on to something with the hype factor. I would only buy the watch at 12k because I think it's gorgeous and it's Rolex's only chronograph. But at that 25k premium, no way. Ignoring the hype and the $25k premiuim and sticking with the $12k price point, do you personally think it's worth it? Worth it meaning that much more enjoyment/value than the Speedy. (let's save the semantics of defining "enjoyment" and "value" and please just explain your reasoning). Thanks man! What I'm after is people's opinions more than anything.

[inadeje]

Originally Posted by elcabo

Wow those are sharp. Do you find yourself wearing the steel or TT Daytona more often?

I just wear in rotation and only specifically choose a watch to correspond with attire/event on rare occasions

[TheDon2000]

I'll make you a deal...You buy the DaytonaC for retail. I will drive to NY and stroke you a check IMMEDIATELY for Retail + Speedy's cost (Should be about $16k) and we both go home happy. You got a Speedy for free, and I got a DaytonaC nearly $10,000 below market price.

Maybe this puts it into perspective. PM me if you're interested.

[Chester01]

Originally Posted by elcabo

I think you may be on to something with the hype factor. I would only buy the watch at 12k because I think it's gorgeous and it's Rolex's only chronograph. But at that 25k premium, no way. Ignoring the hype and the $25k premiuim and sticking with the $12k price point, do you personally think it's worth it? Worth it meaning that much more enjoyment/value than the Speedy. (let's save the semantics of defining "enjoyment" and "value" and please just explain your reasoning). Thanks man! What I'm after is people's opinions more than anything.

Well first I got my Daytona (116520 white dial) at MSRP. But even at at that, I use my watches as part of my job and need to read them accurately as it has real consequences if I can’t discern if it’s 11, 12, or 13 minutes on the subdials. I wear my speedy pro more as I value the stoic appearance more, vintage styling, history, and even more to the functionality of the watch.

The Daytona for me was complicated. It’s always been a grail. But i became interested in the 16520 in the mid 1990’s and by the time I got it, ended up with the 116520 in 2014. However once I got it and began wearing it, maybe I’m not the same guy now as I was then. I have become increasingly uncomfortable with the bling factor and once began wearing for work, realized that it was not able to actually help me time things accurately-a real problem.

I mean don’t get me wrong, the Daytona is exceptionally well made, water proof, and accurate as anything. I have relegated it to a vacation watch. I can overlook the negatives at retail, cannot overlook the negatives at 30 grand! And the negatives of the Daytona get more magnified as it goes higher and one realizes that can get an el primero at like 6 grand and a speedy pro at like 4 grand.


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[samson66]

A proper collection really should have both!

They are so different, hard to really say one is better than the other.

The Speedy is listed at 42mm but that is really deceiving. They measure the diameter INCLUDING the crown guards, so it really is closer to a 40mm than 42. It really is a nice size while many (myself included) think the Daytona wears too small.

[GsurgBM]

I’ve enjoyed my speedy. But it’s bigger and not quite as comfy as the Daytona. And doesn’t have the same quality feel on the bracelet. Daytona has more heft and to me the size is just a little better. But that’s subjective I guess.




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[2nastie]

If you are seriously that torn, go try the Speedy first while waiting for the Daytona to arrive. Once you try the Daytona, you can make the call then and buy the Daytona or go to the Omega AD and pick the Speedy off the shelf. You won’t be able to do it in reverse order... based on the what you described.

[wisguy]

Originally Posted by elcabo

What I'm picking up from the responses is that overall, the Daytona is the better fitting and more comfortable watch. I also personally think it is way better looking than the speedy. Thus, I would tend to agree that the Daytona C is the overall better watch. However, and I realize I am reframing the discussion here, is the price tag worth it? 12k versus 4k? Those of you who have owned both, is the premium worth it? I suppose I could get the speedy and postpone the Daytona, but my AD said I'm next up for it. In a nutshell, I wouldn't want to pass up the opportunity of a Daytona at retail, but I also don't want to shell out the money if it's not THAT much better than a Speedy.

Having owned both, I'd say the Daytona is not worth 4 times more (assuming you would buy one at retail, otherwise 6 times more).

Technically it is superior, better movement with column wheel, longer power reserve, automatic and better bracelet (easy link and some adjustability).

But the Speedy is great value, the only downside in my mind is that lack of bracelet adjustability, and there isn't even a half link for the new screw bracelet like there was for the previous pins and sleeves one... On the other hand, legibility is WAY better on the Speedy (and I have owned both black and white verisions of the Daytona).

It all comes down to how much you want to spend and how badly you want the Daytona, if you can buy at retail and can afford it, buy all means go for it.

[samson66]

With the Speedy you are wearing a piece of history. Point-for-point it's not going to beat the Daytona and I really don't think you should be thinking along the lines of "is the Daytona worth 3x as much as the Speedy"

Get what you want, but you will never go wrong having a Moonwatch in your collection. You can pick one up here for ~$3,600

[Muxi]

The Daytona wears very comfortably as my daily.

[Frits1980]

I own both. Speedy on a strap is super comfortable, its light. Nothing wrong with the daytona, its one of the most comforable rolex models. You cannot go wrong with both actualy. If you get the Daytona at list then just add an extra 4'k and get the speedy as well.

[ArtNouveau]

Originally Posted by elcabo

Would you mind sharing a picture of each on the wrist? Also, do you find yourself being more careful with one vs the other? Thanks!

No longer have the Daytonas but here's a fresh pic of my Speedmaster. I recently modded the bracelet with a Speedy MKII clasp, Omega's version of the Glidelock for around $225.

[Roddypeepa]

I want a chrono in my life and can’t really afford a Daytona atm. Seriously thinking of picking up a sapphire sandwich and a Tudor gmt to satisfy the gmt itch. Only think with speedy is manual wind and pisspotical level of water resistance -50m which both make me think twice.


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