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Oxfordian · 29 September 2019, 08:43 PM

I don't get why the OP wants to spend the absolute minimum on a great watch, a watch that they have had from new and a watch that cost a good deal at the time of purchase.

Sound advice has been provided by many TRF members explaining why the OP should send the watch to Rolex yet the OP declines point blank to do this even though the consequences of not doing so have been clearly detailed.

Maybe I'm too cynical but is this watch already sold and a deal done so any extra expense or time delay is going to blow the deal apart.

If the OP is skint and short of funds then maybe the answer is to park the watch safely in the draw and wait until funds are available to service the watch properly.

There is no logical reason why the watch shouldn't be serviced by RSC, its the best way to rectify the problem so why the objections?

seasubmariner · 29 September 2019, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SearChart

But you do have an 8k watch?

Thats how I can wear 8K watch...If I did not know the value of money I would not have a Rolex today...

seasubmariner · 29 September 2019, 10:08 PM

Thank you everyone for your responses... I decided not to buy any part. I will take my time and research as much as I can, and find the best independent Rolex service as good as Rikki. Going to RSC is just not for me.

dori · 29 September 2019, 10:30 PM

If you buy an expensive watch, you should treat it that way too. Trying to save money on a service/repair is not the same as saving money on buying a watch and trying to get discount. It sounds like your trying to get a green light to operate the way you wish. You’ll probably not get that from the folks here, so just do what you believe is right and be at 100% with the outcome.

As others said, you are neither a Watchmaker and can’t possible know if you found the problem or sourced legit parts.

Good luck on your journey brother

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ThatExplorer · 29 September 2019, 11:13 PM

Wow this just begins to show complete ignorance... you own and BMW and Audi, both which CAN take VW parts but SHOULD take BMW/ AUDI parts....

You own a ROLEX watch, and you’re risking it to a “backyard mechanic”.... please explain why you “can’t afford the extra hundreds” for RSC to receive a warranty and know it’s done with brand new Genuine parts, but you will risk a 8.5k watch with someone else who may or may not fix it accordingly, and will not give you a factory Rolex guarantee afterwards?

Seems your priorities are not in order. It’s like buying a Ferrari and sending it to Midas for an oil change. Why but a Rolex but can’t afford to have Rolex service it?...

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ThatExplorer · 29 September 2019, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatExplorer

Wow this just begins to show complete ignorance... you own a BMW and Audi, both which CAN take VW parts but SHOULD take BMW/ AUDI parts....

You own a ROLEX watch, and you’re risking it to a “backyard mechanic”.... please explain why you “can’t afford the extra hundreds” for RSC to receive a 2 year warranty and know it’s done with brand new Genuine parts, but you will risk a 8.5k watch with someone else who may or may not fix it accordingly, and will not give you a factory Rolex guarantee afterwards?

Seems your priorities are not in order. It’s like buying a Ferrari and sending it to Midas for an oil change. Why buy a Rolex but can’t afford to have Rolex service it?...

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J.P.Jones · 30 September 2019, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seibei

On a side note, if you are buying a used watch it is absolutely essential to obtain a properly documented service history. Otherwise you have no idea who has done what to your watch and what replacement parts have been used.

The complete service history of this particular watch is pretty much in front of us right now.

Seibei · 30 September 2019, 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seasubmariner

Thank you everyone for your responses... I decided not to buy any part. I will take my time and research as much as I can, and find the best independent Rolex service as good as Rikki. Going to RSC is just not for me.

I believe Rikki is authorized, so at least you have turned your thinking around from your original post. Getting him to service the watch is expensive, but I guess you might save 1 or 2 hundred $ compared to RSC. That is money you will probably lose and then some it you ever sell the watch. Yes, documented service done by RSC is actually worth something when you sell a Rolex.

Likestheshiny · 30 September 2019, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Thank you everyone for your responses... I decided not to buy any part. I will take my time and research as much as I can, and find the best independent Rolex service as good as Rikki. Going to RSC is just not for me.

This is a much better course of action than you originally described.

No one has a problem with going to a reputable independent, but your determination to save money on the process seemed very likely to cost you extra money in the long run. If the goal is cost-savings to achieve a working watch, taking care of problems when they are inexpensive is generally more cost-effective than waiting for them to become expensive.

inadeje · 30 September 2019, 12:33 PM

Its time for a RSC service.

seasubmariner · 30 September 2019, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dori

If you buy an expensive watch, you should treat it that way too. Trying to save money on a service/repair is not the same as saving money on buying a watch and trying to get discount. It sounds like your trying to get a green light to operate the way you wish. You’ll probably not get that from the folks here, so just do what you believe is right and be at 100% with the outcome.

As others said, you are neither a Watchmaker and can’t possible know if you found the problem or sourced legit parts.

Good luck on your journey brother

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Thank you. But for me Rolex Sub. is not an expensive watch.

Bizcut1 · 30 September 2019, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seasubmariner

Thank you. But for me Rolex Sub. is not an expensive watch.

(throwing in the towel)

Good luck!

(and this on my 600th post! Oh, the irony!)

Zz101 · 30 September 2019, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bizcut1

(throwing in the towel)

Good luck!

(and this on my 600th post! Oh, the irony!)

You can lead a horse to water......

seasubmariner · 30 September 2019, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Likestheshiny

This is a much better course of action than you originally described.

No one has a problem with going to a reputable independent, but your determination to save money on the process seemed very likely to cost you extra money in the long run. If the goal is cost-savings to achieve a working watch, taking care of problems when they are inexpensive is generally more cost-effective than waiting for them to become expensive.

Thank you. So it looks like I wasn't able to make it clear what I was planning that many people keep suggesting RSC.

The watch is sitting inside its pouch, and I am not using it like this. So there will not be any harm to the watch while it waits to be serviced. The best deal and most trustworthy RSC will be the RSC in Swiss. The travel cost to Swiss is not really high from my location, so in case of not trusting to any independent it will be my last solution which is expensive but at least I will know that it will be the safest solution.

BisonHead · 30 September 2019, 04:21 PM

Why don't you post it to the RSC? Heck of a lot cheaper than traveling there to drop it off.

Registered/insured mail or whatever they have on the Continent. Job done.

Or send it to the Watch guy in the UK, a lot cheaper if thats a concern. Have not heard any horror stories about his work.

https://watchguy.co.uk/price-list/

seasubmariner · 30 September 2019, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BisonHead

Why don't you post it to the RSC? Heck of a lot cheaper than traveling there to drop it off.

Registered/insured mail or whatever they have on the Continent. Job done.

Or send it to the Watch guy in the UK, a lot cheaper if thats a concern. Have not heard any horror stories about his work.

https://watchguy.co.uk/price-list/

Thanks for the advice but posting the watch overseas from my location is risky and I do not want it. One of my friend travelled to Swiss for sake of getting the watch serviced at RSC in Swiss and the overhaul duration took only 2 days and he was happy at the end. RSCs at my location are more expensive and harder to trust that's why he chose to travel to Swiss and the holiday and exploring new places was his bonus...

The responses at this thread really steered me away from the independents to RSC, and made me consider a travel to Swiss for a few days for servicing the watch at RSC.

Instead of asking on part recommendations, asking about rsc experiences in swiss could be a better idea, but I do not feel like asking any question at this forum after seeing offensive posts above. I will contact RSCs in Swiss and will choose one I think.

watchmaker · 30 September 2019, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seasubmariner

Thanks for the advice but posting the watch overseas from my location is risky and I do not want it. One of my friend travelled to Swiss for sake of getting the watch serviced at RSC in Swiss and the overhaul duration took only 2 days and he was happy at the end. RSCs at my location are more expensive and harder to trust that's why he chose to travel to Swiss and the holiday and exploring new places was his bonus...

The responses at this thread really steered me away from the independents to RSC, and made me consider a travel to Swiss for a few days for servicing the watch at RSC.

Instead of asking on part recommendations, asking about rsc experiences in swiss could be a better idea, but I do not feel like asking any question at this forum after seeing offensive posts above. I will contact RSCs in Swiss and will choose one I think.

No full service/overhaul is done properly in two days. Assuming the watchmaker has no other work to do when you walk through their door (and that should be an alarm bell as any good watchmaker or service centre has work queued up for them) the power reserve alone is two days (or more calibre dependant). That allows zero time to do the overhaul and other tests.

Watch servicing is not a ‘while you wait’ or ‘come back tomorrow’ type of job. Your watch will be away for weeks, not days.

georgekart · 30 September 2019, 08:28 PM

OK, so here's a thing. With complicated things like movement inside a watch, I'd definitely either go to RSC or a reputable independent like LAWW for example.

Think of it like a car. You say you own a BMW and an Audi, would you go to a dealership for changing engine oil? Not necessarily, you can do it in any garage. But would you go to a dealership or at least a reputable service center specializing in BMW and/or gearboxes if you need your 8 speed ZF gearbox in your BMW fixed? Definitely, because if you do it somewhere else, they can screw it up even worse than before.

Your movement stopping isn't like changing oil, it's more like an engine rebuild. Would you trust a random guy in a garage to rebuild your engine, who may cheap out on certain things that will inevitably grenade your engine, or would you pay more to have it built by a reputable service center (not even saying certified by BMW, just those who know what they're doing and who have done so with that specific engine type) so that it works well and gives you no trouble in the future? I think the answer is obvious.

Depending on where you are in Europe, people may help you find a good independent that you can trust and that will cost you less than RSC, but would still deliver good service. At the end of the day, it's your choice. Just remember "buy cheap, buy twice".

Easy E · 30 September 2019, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seasubmariner

Thank you. But for me Rolex Sub. is not an expensive watch.

Now I’m really confused.

myusernamez · 30 September 2019, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seasubmariner

Because I do not have couple of hundred bucks to waste.

but you walk around with a Rolex?

Jeffwb65 · 30 September 2019, 09:38 PM

All this makes me wonder about whether the watch has some shady history that makes the OP want to avoid the RSC. Maybe a grey dealer purchase or something else outside a "legit" purchase situation. I'm not saying it's stolen property, but arguing so strongly against RSC service doesn't seem logical for such an important repair.

mendoncam · 1 October 2019, 12:53 AM

I think we all need to be quiet and let this guy buy whatever franken parts he wants online.

I see this all the time working in a shop. he's my favourite client working as a mechanic. A simple 30min fix, they do themselves, screwing it up more and damaging other parts leads to a 2hr fix plus lots of new parts.

im calling it now, he will try to service it, the local "unauthorized rolex watch maker" will fix the issue that he has, and only the issue he has, even though im sure this watchmaker will recommend to take it to RSC or do other more labor intensive work, and then it will stop working again and he will come back on here to complain about his watchmaker and finally give in to sendign it to RSC.

The other thing is this guy might actually not own a submariner and is just trolling.

either way

Bizcut1 · 1 October 2019, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mendoncam

.

The other thing is this guy might actually not own a submariner and is just trolling.

either way

And, either way, I am bored with this thread...enough (for me)!

seasubmariner · 1 October 2019, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bizcut1

And, either way, I am bored with this thread...enough (for me)!

Same.

jb335 · 1 October 2019, 02:14 AM

I am a little perplexed by OPs thought process, but I am even more perplexed so many people seem so concerned and even disturbed by it. Let the dude live his life.

Oxfordian · 1 October 2019, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seasubmariner

Thank you. But for me Rolex Sub. is not an expensive watch.

Oh, Submariner is not expensive, but a service from RSC is?

I am so confused

ThatExplorer · 1 October 2019, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oxfordian

Oh, Submariner is not expensive, but a service from RSC is?

I am so confused

Joined 9/28

16 posts

Wants advise but doesn’t take it

Troll mode engaged

Finslayer83 · 1 October 2019, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystro

Yup, mainspring. It’s no big deal. If it were mine I would send it to Rikki but you are not in the States so RSC would be your choice.

x2

Finslayer83 · 1 October 2019, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seibei

I believe Rikki is authorized, so at least you have turned your thinking around from your original post. Getting him to service the watch is expensive, but I guess you might save 1 or 2 hundred $ compared to RSC. That is money you will probably lose and then some it you ever sell the watch. Yes, documented service done by RSC is actually worth something when you sell a Rolex.

So is having a relationship with Rik.

He is one of the best and I'd wager better than most of the RSC staff. Also he can hook you up on deals, I snagged a 16610 from him for a song - I could sell it and make a few grand - but then it would defeat the purpose of wanting a "long term beater" and him helping me out.

Plus Rik can source Rolex parts and install them for me (i.e. 114060 hands on a 14060, etc...)

The RSC ain't doing that. I get the value service paperwork brings but I'd wager some of us are in it for the fun and love of the watches vs margin/profit.

seasubmariner · 1 October 2019, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oxfordian

Oh, Submariner is not expensive, but a service from RSC is?

I am so confused

price of the watch / RSC service fee price ratio is incredible high. Simple. No confusion.

29 September 2019, 08:43 PM	#31
Oxfordian "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Real Name: Martin Location: England Watch: Sea Dweller Posts: 3,117	I don't get why the OP wants to spend the absolute minimum on a great watch, a watch that they have had from new and a watch that cost a good deal at the time of purchase. Sound advice has been provided by many TRF members explaining why the OP should send the watch to Rolex yet the OP declines point blank to do this even though the consequences of not doing so have been clearly detailed. Maybe I'm too cynical but is this watch already sold and a deal done so any extra expense or time delay is going to blow the deal apart. If the OP is skint and short of funds then maybe the answer is to park the watch safely in the draw and wait until funds are available to service the watch properly. There is no logical reason why the watch shouldn't be serviced by RSC, its the best way to rectify the problem so why the objections? __________________ Martin Small Rolex, Omega, Seiko and Oris Collection

29 September 2019, 11:13 PM	#35
ThatExplorer "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Real Name: Cory Location: US Watch: 114060 Posts: 652	Wow this just begins to show complete ignorance... you own and BMW and Audi, both which CAN take VW parts but SHOULD take BMW/ AUDI parts.... You own a ROLEX watch, and you’re risking it to a “backyard mechanic”.... please explain why you “can’t afford the extra hundreds” for RSC to receive a warranty and know it’s done with brand new Genuine parts, but you will risk a 8.5k watch with someone else who may or may not fix it accordingly, and will not give you a factory Rolex guarantee afterwards? Seems your priorities are not in order. It’s like buying a Ferrari and sending it to Midas for an oil change. Why but a Rolex but can’t afford to have Rolex service it?... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -------------------------------------------------------------- 116610-214270-116710-113700-114300-M79380RB-Zodiac GR

30 September 2019, 12:33 PM	#40
inadeje 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Miami Watch: me lose count. Posts: 5,907	Its time for a RSC service. __________________ ♛ 218206 Roman ♛ 116689 ♛ 126710BLRO ♛ 16520 white ♛ 16523 white ♛ 16610 ♛ 5513 Birth Year - ✠ Patek Philippe 5980/1R-001 - AP 26331ST Panda - Panerai Bronzo 671 & 111, Ω Speedmaster 1957 Broad Arrow, Cartier Santos XL - Montblanc TimeWalker Chrono 41

29 September 2019, 10:08 PM	#33
seasubmariner Banned Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Europe Posts: 284	Thank you everyone for your responses... I decided not to buy any part. I will take my time and research as much as I can, and find the best independent Rolex service as good as Rikki. Going to RSC is just not for me.

29 September 2019, 10:30 PM	#34
dori Banned Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: israel Posts: 372	If you buy an expensive watch, you should treat it that way too. Trying to save money on a service/repair is not the same as saving money on buying a watch and trying to get discount. It sounds like your trying to get a green light to operate the way you wish. You’ll probably not get that from the folks here, so just do what you believe is right and be at 100% with the outcome. As others said, you are neither a Watchmaker and can’t possible know if you found the problem or sourced legit parts. Good luck on your journey brother Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

30 September 2019, 04:21 PM	#45
BisonHead "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: UK Watch: Sub,SD,DJ,OP Posts: 1,950	Why don't you post it to the RSC? Heck of a lot cheaper than traveling there to drop it off. Registered/insured mail or whatever they have on the Continent. Job done. Or send it to the Watch guy in the UK, a lot cheaper if thats a concern. Have not heard any horror stories about his work. https://watchguy.co.uk/price-list/

30 September 2019, 08:28 PM	#48
georgekart "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Earth Posts: 1,550	OK, so here's a thing. With complicated things like movement inside a watch, I'd definitely either go to RSC or a reputable independent like LAWW for example. Think of it like a car. You say you own a BMW and an Audi, would you go to a dealership for changing engine oil? Not necessarily, you can do it in any garage. But would you go to a dealership or at least a reputable service center specializing in BMW and/or gearboxes if you need your 8 speed ZF gearbox in your BMW fixed? Definitely, because if you do it somewhere else, they can screw it up even worse than before. Your movement stopping isn't like changing oil, it's more like an engine rebuild. Would you trust a random guy in a garage to rebuild your engine, who may cheap out on certain things that will inevitably grenade your engine, or would you pay more to have it built by a reputable service center (not even saying certified by BMW, just those who know what they're doing and who have done so with that specific engine type) so that it works well and gives you no trouble in the future? I think the answer is obvious. Depending on where you are in Europe, people may help you find a good independent that you can trust and that will cost you less than RSC, but would still deliver good service. At the end of the day, it's your choice. Just remember "buy cheap, buy twice".

30 September 2019, 09:38 PM	#51
Jeffwb65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Tennessee, USA Watch: Seiko SKX009 Posts: 301	All this makes me wonder about whether the watch has some shady history that makes the OP want to avoid the RSC. Maybe a grey dealer purchase or something else outside a "legit" purchase situation. I'm not saying it's stolen property, but arguing so strongly against RSC service doesn't seem logical for such an important repair.

1 October 2019, 12:53 AM	#52
mendoncam "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Toronto Posts: 64	I think we all need to be quiet and let this guy buy whatever franken parts he wants online. I see this all the time working in a shop. he's my favourite client working as a mechanic. A simple 30min fix, they do themselves, screwing it up more and damaging other parts leads to a 2hr fix plus lots of new parts. im calling it now, he will try to service it, the local "unauthorized rolex watch maker" will fix the issue that he has, and only the issue he has, even though im sure this watchmaker will recommend to take it to RSC or do other more labor intensive work, and then it will stop working again and he will come back on here to complain about his watchmaker and finally give in to sendign it to RSC. The other thing is this guy might actually not own a submariner and is just trolling. either way

1 October 2019, 02:14 AM	#55
jb335 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: The States Watch: Cosmograph Daytona Posts: 7,464	I am a little perplexed by OPs thought process, but I am even more perplexed so many people seem so concerned and even disturbed by it. Let the dude live his life.

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