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[justthebezel]

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[roh123]

Originally Posted by justthebezel

But I have to take exception with the notion that it is described in a fair or accurate way. His noting that a loupe is needed to see the damage on the dial is absolutely misleading. Sorry.
Oh hell, I'm not sorry. If this were a diamond, it would have an inclusion the size of some of my watch crowns. If you can see the damage at arm's length, a loupe is not needed.

Seriously? Pictures and description is good. How should they describe it to make you happy? A perfect one would be double price. I wish you the best of luck to find a better Daytona for that money. One that is described to your liking as well.

[stmoore]

Originally Posted by justthebezel

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Deep.

[nsumner]

Originally Posted by stmoore

Deep.

Derp

[pablofields]

Originally Posted by justthebezel

I might add, the owner of the business with this watch, Menta Watches, has apparently upset a number of members here. They felt compelled to reach out to tell me. FYI.

Chicken sh*t post.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by justthebezel

But I have to take exception with the notion that it is described in a fair or accurate way. His noting that a loupe is needed to see the damage on the dial is absolutely misleading. Sorry.
Oh hell, I'm not sorry. If this were a diamond, it would have an inclusion the size of some of my watch crowns. If you can see the damage at arm's length, a loupe is not needed.

Well, technically the description doesn't say the marks on the dial can ONLY be seen with a loupe. Perhaps what he's saying is that more detail of them could be seen with a loupe. Either way, it's always a good sign when a seller points out flaws, however minor. So many sellers, including so-called reputable ones, often don't even mention such flaws and just post photos to let the buyer find them.

I would say that this is a fair, accurate description of the watch, but I'm sure the seller would answer any questions and provide additional photos if needed. A description is just the very beginning of a potential sale. Ask questions if you're not sure about something. If I had to nitpick, I'd say that case has been more than lightly polished, but some of that is subjective and the case is still pretty good. Also, it looks as if the date stamp on the bracelet clasp is from '61 not '67 as stated in the description, but that's minor.

[justthebezel]

Cmon, Donald Trump. He is clearly implying a loupe is needed. Strange so many dealers have come to the aid of their pitiful friend. It's very telling how many found it necessary to contact me in private to tell about Menta Watches. You can all have your chance to insult me and support him. I have the info I need re the seller...and now I have more than I wanted to know about a few of you whiny little d bags.

[justthebezel]

I sure hope no one was offended.

[justthebezel]

Not really.

[roh123]

Someone needs a hug..

[watch-guy.com]

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[stmoore]

Originally Posted by justthebezel

Strange so many dealers have come to the aid of their pitiful friend.

Exactly one dealer replied to this thread

Originally Posted by justthebezel

I was warned about the poor practices of a watch dealer

So you'd rather complain openly than share your concerns openly? Unhelpful.

I find it funny that you went after Swish77 who I've found over the years has been one of the most level headed and helpful people on the forum.

Lastly, if it's an issue with price, I'm sure Menta would work out a special payment plan if that's required.

[Tavli3]

Originally Posted by Dan S

I don't think you can simply delegate the work to forum members. I don't know why you don't trust this seller, but if you're not an expert, your best bet is to buy from a seller that you trust 100%.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that one of the main premise of the Forum to help out other forum members, especially those who may be new to collecting? I've bought a few vintage watches and done extensive research to the point of buying books, subscribing to reference websites etc but nothing beats a second opinion from someone who has years of experience with certain watches.

I'm happy to note that so far I have seen alot of willingness on the part of the experts here to share their knowledge with others and I would dare say that based on what I've seen they don't miss a trick on identifying any defects so I would trust their opinions more than I would trusted sellers till I got to trust the trusted seller as far as pointing out flaws.

[nsumner]

Originally Posted by justthebezel

One more thing...on the outside chance that a couple of you in this thread aren't complete assholes, I apologize for what follows.

The rest of you douche bags who can't handle a simple statement that I was warned about the poor practices of a watch dealer (God knows they are all honest) go fuck yourselves. No wonder the members of every other forum go on and on about what a group of fuckwits, termites, and assholes inhabit this particular forum. Kisses.

How did that old saying go, from years ago?
Oh yeah.....Ban Him!!!

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by justthebezel

One more thing...on the outside chance that a couple of you in this thread aren't complete assholes, I apologize for what follows.

No, you don’t. You’re making no apologies for what followed, and couldn’t wait to say it.

I’ve been a member here for 7 years and have seen plenty of people banned. You know what they all had in common? They were arrogant, lacked any humility, were always spoiling for an argument/fight, didn’t have any capacity for admitting they didn’t know everything, and were control freaks.

You’ve managed to tick all of those boxes, plus you showed us your true colors with that mouth of yours.

Lastly, consider how quickly you’ve gotten yourself into this mess (and you will be banned) with just 44 posts! But, yeah, it’s our fault, not yours....

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by Tavli3

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that one of the main premise of the Forum to help out other forum members, especially those who may be new to collecting? I've bought a few vintage watches and done extensive research to the point of buying books, subscribing to reference websites etc but nothing beats a second opinion from someone who has years of experience with certain watches.

I'm happy to note that so far I have seen alot of willingness on the part of the experts here to share their knowledge with others and I would dare say that based on what I've seen they don't miss a trick on identifying any defects so I would trust their opinions more than I would trusted sellers till I got to trust the trusted seller as far as pointing out flaws.

I hope that I do my fair share of helping other forum members, or at least I try to contribute to the best of my ability, but some posts just set alarms ringing. Go back and read the first post by the OP, and I think you will see what I mean, and obviously things just got more bizarre as the thread progressed.

IMO, there is a big difference between (1) someone who is legitimately trying to learn and doing their own research who comes to the forum to share their own thoughts about a watch and ask for additional opinions, and (2) someone coming here and saying they know nothing about vintage Rolex, throwing up a link (not even photos) of a watch being sold by a well-known dealer, and asking members to do all the work for them. I would rather spend my time helping an OP that has some actual skin in the game (aside from a fat wallet).

Someone posting about a legitimate heirloom piece is a separate category, although many of those are obviously fake threads.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by justthebezel

One more thing...on the outside chance that a couple of you in this thread aren't complete assholes, I apologize for what follows.

The rest of you douche bags who can't handle a simple statement that I was warned about the poor practices of a watch dealer (God knows they are all honest) go fuck yourselves. No wonder the members of every other forum go on and on about what a group of fuckwits, termites, and assholes inhabit this particular forum. Kisses.

Wow, where did this come from? Seems like a monumental (and inappropriate) over-reaction. This forum is full of different opinions and disagreements, but mostly in a respectful manner. That's what often makes it interesting.

In this case, you're way out of line, OP. I have no dog in the fight (until now), and have never bought from Menta Watches, but I have been buying/selling vintage Rolexes as a hobbyist for about a quarter-century. I know a thing or two about sellers' descriptions. People on this forum, including me, were trying to help you, and this is how you respond?

Originally Posted by stmoore

I find it funny that you went after Swish77 who I've found over the years has been one of the most level headed and helpful people on the forum.

Thank you!

[nsumner]

Originally Posted by swish77

Wow, where did this come from? Seems like a monumental (and inappropriate) over-reaction. This forum is full of different opinions and disagreements, but mostly in a respectful manner. That's what often makes it interesting.

In this case, you're way out of line, OP. I have no dog in the fight (until now), and have never bought from Menta Watches, but I have been buying/selling vintage Rolexes as a hobbyist for about a quarter-century. I know a thing or two about sellers' descriptions. People on this forum, including me, were trying to help you, and this is how you respond?



Thank you!

Well said