Daytona OF vs full gold bracelet - pricing makes sense?

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by lllouisv1126

Called the Rolex Service Centre and answer is no. Bracelet has to remain bracelet and OF has to remain OF. Needs to go 3rd party if I want to convert to rubber.

I’m close to getting a rose gold Daytona in OF. Now having second thoughts. Daytona in full gold makes it a totally different watch and I’d love the flexibility to switch between sporty and classy many years down the road.

If you get a full gold version you’ll have the difficult task of sourcing an OF and dealing with all the hassle of changing around. Also, you won’t have endlinks so you‘ll need to source those as well or just wear without.

If you get an OF reference, you will never be able to add a bracelet, the endlinks are fixed, so you’re only option in that case is other straps of varying materials, the bracelet won’t fit due to the fixed endlinks.

I would go with the all gold, the ceramic bezel is nice but the pricing is way off, you get less gold overall and the watch on rubber makes it less flexible in dressier situations, imo.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by lllouisv1126

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What is a good 3rd party rubber strap? Rubberb doesn’t have any rubber for current lineup of full rose and white gold Daytona on bracelet, and it is not planned for production in 2020/21. I just asked them.

The Rolex Oysterflex is a titanium bracelet with bonded rubber exterior. The RubberB is, by comparison, a cheap disposable strap.

The idea that you can put on an aftermarket rubber strap and have your own, cheaper, Oysterflex is not realistic.

[swish77]

All this talk about full gold Daytonas versus Oysterflex and price differences, etc .... misses the point.

It all comes down to the look and feel of the watch. The OF Daytonas with black ceramic bezels just look a lot better, IMHO, but it's subjective, of course.

It's not about value or how much raw gold costs, or whatever. It's about which watch do you like better on your wrist.

If we were breaking down cost/value of metal, then the SS version of the Daytona is obscenely overpriced, because steel ain't that expensive. But it's the look of the watch you're paying (or over-paying) for, even if you were lucky enough to buy one at retail.

[eanzenberg]

Get the watch you want. You can always get a bracelet watch later in life. A gold watch + bracelet is fairly heavy on the wrist.

[MattyL147]

Originally Posted by swish77

All this talk about full gold Daytonas versus Oysterflex and price differences, etc .... misses the point.

It all comes down to the look and feel of the watch. The OF Daytonas with black ceramic bezels just look a lot better, IMHO, but it's subjective, of course.

It's not about value or how much raw gold costs, or whatever. It's about which watch do you like better on your wrist.

If we were breaking down cost/value of metal, then the SS version of the Daytona is obscenely overpriced, because steel ain't that expensive. But it's the look of the watch you're paying (or over-paying) for, even if you were lucky enough to buy one at retail.

This! Anyone trying to justify the prices of these things based on amount of PM is doing themselves a disservice - it will never work out in your favor. Buy whichever you like more. I personally never considered a Daytona (PM or otherwise) until I laid eyes on the 519LN, which I now own and love!

[lllouisv1126]

It’s not my intention to compare based on material cost in the first place:)

I’m talking about value - the look, the feel and versatility one can get for paying xxx dollars for a watch, and I find the pricing a bit off for the gold Daytonas.

Rubber strap is hot now but who knows in the next 10 years? Bracelet is timeless AND I can swap to rubber although 3rd party. I get 2 watches for price of 1 + small premium.

This could also be my one and only gold watch.

But the combination of rubber and gold was what draws me to Daytona in the first place!

[startrolexendrolex]

I think the Oyster flex daytona is for the guy that has a collection of different watches and might even already has a all pm daytona. Is a sports car not a daily.

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[georgekart]

Originally Posted by lllouisv1126

The price difference between a gold Daytona OF vs full gold bracelet is <10k usd?! That looks like a damn good deal unless I’m missing something?

Both the same dial. Only one has ceramic bezel while one has gold bezel.

Coming from AP, the difference is >20k usd. If I buy a gold bracelet separately it will cost me ard 30k.

For Rolex possible to buy OF bracelet from them if I have the full gold version?

It isn't about what is worth it. They know the OF models with symmetrical lug cases and ceramic bezels simply look better, so they charge that. Also, the grey/used market seems to agree and OF go for similar money as full gold often. If you like full gold models with gold bezels, finding an OF or at least a second party rubber band shouldn't be hard. If not, you have no choice really.

[garyk]

I like the way the OF watches look but prefer to own the gold bracelet version Daytona...

[EtherBrown]

Originally Posted by startrolexendrolex

I think the Oyster flex daytona is for the guy that has a collection of different watches and might even already has a all pm daytona. Is a sports car not a daily.

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Exactly this.


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[eanzenberg]

Originally Posted by EtherBrown

Exactly this.


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Maybe not to generalize, but I see rubber and leather on younger guys and bracelets on the older gentlemen.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by swish77

All this talk about full gold Daytonas versus Oysterflex and price differences, etc .... misses the point.

It all comes down to the look and feel of the watch. The OF Daytonas with black ceramic bezels just look a lot better, IMHO, but it's subjective, of course.

It's not about value or how much raw gold costs, or whatever. It's about which watch do you like better on your wrist.

If we were breaking down cost/value of metal, then the SS version of the Daytona is obscenely overpriced, because steel ain't that expensive. But it's the look of the watch you're paying (or over-paying) for, even if you were lucky enough to buy one at retail.

Have to agree with Aaron. All these watches aren’t worth 1/4 what we pay. I’d take the OF every time until they put ceramic on the bracelet. Looks better.... to me!

[noshake]

I always felt that the OF version should be comparable to the TT version in price. If I'm going full PM it has to be DD40.

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[Dr.Stu]

Originally Posted by swish77

All this talk about full gold Daytonas versus Oysterflex and price differences, etc .... misses the point.

It all comes down to the look and feel of the watch. The OF Daytonas with black ceramic bezels just look a lot better, IMHO, but it's subjective, of course.

It's not about value or how much raw gold costs, or whatever. It's about which watch do you like better on your wrist.

If we were breaking down cost/value of metal, then the SS version of the Daytona is obscenely overpriced, because steel ain't that expensive. But it's the look of the watch you're paying (or over-paying) for, even if you were lucky enough to buy one at retail.

Originally Posted by GB-man

Have to agree with Aaron. All these watches aren’t worth 1/4 what we pay. I’d take the OF every time until they put ceramic on the bracelet. Looks better.... to me!

Originally Posted by startrolexendrolex

I think the Oyster flex daytona is for the guy that has a collection of different watches and might even already has a all pm daytona. Is a sports car not a daily.

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Agree with all of the above. Am awaiting my 116519LN as we speak.

[oconnorandrew64]

OF is amazing. It’s my sporty dress down of choice.

If the full PM had ceramic and the dial option I wanted - would have been tempted. The DD40 calls me....


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[joli160]

Originally Posted by 42itus

I get what everyone is saying about value, and I’m biased because I own an OF, but you’re not buying a Rolex for the raw material.

Indeed, if this would be the main buying argument nobody would buy a SS watch ever again.

[AH0RSEY]

PM all the way, every day ! er....unless its an AP Royal Oak and then SS ;o))

& I just don't like the balance of the OF or leather on a Daytona PM watch, its top heavy IMHO.

[42itus]

Originally Posted by AH0RSEY

PM all the way, every day ! er....unless its an AP Royal Oak and then SS ;o))

& I just don't like the balance of the OF or leather on a Daytona PM watch, its top heavy IMHO.

Definitely a bit of truth to that. My OF Daytona can get top heavy on certain days depending on the weather. But my YM OF with the easy link won’t feel top heavy because I can always adjust it.

If you can get it to fit right it feels really nice on OF.


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[faimag]

For Daytona, all gold is the way to go. The only OF i like (love) is the YM.

[accountank2000]

Originally Posted by 42itus

Definitely a bit of truth to that. My OF Daytona can get top heavy on certain days depending on the weather. But my YM OF with the easy link won’t feel top heavy because I can always adjust it.

If you can get it to fit right it feels really nice on OF.

The Daytona has the 'easylink' (the 5mm pop-out extension if you want an extra bit of breathing room on a hot day) while the underlying basic clasp adjustment for about another centimetre needs a tool.

The Yachtmaster has the 'glidelock' extension which gives an overall slideable extension to replace what the Daytona does with 'tool plus popout'.

It would be great if the Daytona had the glidelock but I generally find it OK as it is, and the weight is a pretty good balance when you have it adjusted correctly. I was coming from a seadweller 16600 before, which was reasonably chunky and a bit lighter, but would slide around more; the rubber helps to keep the Daytona planted.

In choosing to buy the Daytona OF (which I had liked the idea of since they were first announced but only bought this month), I tend to agree with others above that you are not buying a Rolex for the raw material content per dollar. Sure, if you take the watch to a 'cash4gold' shop they would pay you more for the full gold vs oysterflex vs steel, but you are not going to dispose of your Daytona for scrap, and if you did, it's not like they would be paying you $20k extra for the gold links and bezel.

The OF Daytona looks and feels like a luxury piece, and I'm happy that I'm not going to scuff the bracelet or bezel while wearing it out and about. I'm not one for wearing jewellery anyway so don't really need a big white gold bangle to go with the watch face. Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder etc.

[42itus]

Originally Posted by accountank2000

The Daytona has the 'easylink' (the 5mm pop-out extension if you want an extra bit of breathing room on a hot day) while the underlying basic clasp adjustment for about another centimetre needs a tool.

The Yachtmaster has the 'glidelock' extension which gives an overall slideable extension to replace what the Daytona does with 'tool plus popout'.

It would be great if the Daytona had the glidelock but I generally find it OK as it is, and the weight is a pretty good balance when you have it adjusted correctly. I was coming from a seadweller 16600 before, which was reasonably chunky and a bit lighter, but would slide around more; the rubber helps to keep the Daytona planted.

In choosing to buy the Daytona OF (which I had liked the idea of since they were first announced but only bought this month), I tend to agree with others above that you are not buying a Rolex for the raw material content per dollar. Sure, if you take the watch to a 'cash4gold' shop they would pay you more for the full gold vs oysterflex vs steel, but you are not going to dispose of your Daytona for scrap, and if you did, it's not like they would be paying you $20k extra for the gold links and bezel.

The OF Daytona looks and feels like a luxury piece, and I'm happy that I'm not going to scuff the bracelet or bezel while wearing it out and about. I'm not one for wearing jewellery anyway so don't really need a big white gold bangle to go with the watch face. Obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder etc.

Thanks for correcting my terms on the easy link and glide lock.


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[macrowatch]

Originally Posted by MattyL147

This! Anyone trying to justify the prices of these things based on amount of PM is doing themselves a disservice - it will never work out in your favor. Buy whichever you like more. I personally never considered a Daytona (PM or otherwise) until I laid eyes on the 519LN, which I now own and love!

Have you seen the price of gold today? Sometimes makes me want to melt down the bracelet of old used Day Dates for scrap value....Just kidding...maybe....

Originally Posted by startrolexendrolex

I think the Oyster flex daytona is for the guy that has a collection of different watches and might even already has a all pm daytona. Is a sports car not a daily.

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Sometimes the best way to enjoy life is to daily the sports car. But I think that's generally a good way to think about it. After the full PM itch is scratched, then you look around the collection and realize you might as welll just drive the sports car anyways instead of the logical station wagon.

[Michael T]

Originally Posted by accountank2000

The Daytona has the 'easylink' (the 5mm pop-out extension if you want an extra bit of breathing room on a hot day) while the underlying basic clasp adjustment for about another centimetre needs a tool.

The Yachtmaster has the 'glidelock' extension which gives an overall slideable extension to replace what the Daytona does with 'tool plus popout'.

The newer Submariner, Deepsea and Sea Dweller all have the Glidelock, Yacht-Master has the Easylink.

[Token74]

The Daytona with gold bracelet offers better value than the OF based on the price difference.

But...I bought OF because (a) I prefer the look of the Daytona on OF and (b) the model with gold bracelet is more than I would ever spend on a Rolex.


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[RJRJRJ]

Originally Posted by Michael T

The newer Submariner, Deepsea and Sea Dweller all have the Glidelock, Yacht-Master has the Easylink.

YM on OF never had the easy link. The 116655 had no adjustment other than the micro adjust in the clasp, and the newer 126655 has the mini glidelock.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by Token74

The Daytona with gold bracelet offers better value than the OF based on the price difference.

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Again, the "value" argument misses the point. That speaks to "more" gold, which is irrelevant when it comes to desirability. Now, if a person prefers the look of the all-gold version, great. But it's not a better value than the OF version, unless you're planning on melting down the watch.

There's a reason the OF Daytonas sell for pretty close to the all-gold versions on the secondary market. Comes down to that black ceramic bezel that's only available on the OF PM Daytonas.

[Oxfordian]

Very envious of those discussing getting full PM watches, way way way above my finances at the moment but who knows what tomorrow brings.

Good luck chasing your watch, looking forward to seeing the pictures in due course.

[lllouisv1126]

Originally Posted by swish77

All this talk about full gold Daytonas versus Oysterflex and price differences, etc .... misses the point.

It all comes down to the look and feel of the watch. The OF Daytonas with black ceramic bezels just look a lot better, IMHO, but it's subjective, of course.

It's not about value or how much raw gold costs, or whatever. It's about which watch do you like better on your wrist.

If we were breaking down cost/value of metal, then the SS version of the Daytona is obscenely overpriced, because steel ain't that expensive. But it's the look of the watch you're paying (or over-paying) for, even if you were lucky enough to buy one at retail.

It’s interesting to see many different opinions here. I’m learning more by the day. Again I emphasize that the VALUE I’m talking about is not just the material. It’s the look and feel and versatility full gold could offer vs OF fir such a small premium.

Coming from AP, I recall a decade ago when all the rubber / leather strap ROOs were once the hottest models as compared to the bracelet RO. Now they are dumped at 50% off original price. Almost all bracelet RO has kept or appreciated in price.

Not exactly apple to apple comparison I know.

[RoscoPico]

i like the gold daytona full gold or on leather, OF is 3rd for me.

i actually had the same considerations as you about the skydweller
ultimately it's not so easy to change between bracelet and strap so definitely pick what you would really rather have

[bay-dweller]

Originally Posted by startrolexendrolex

I think the Oyster flex daytona is for the guy that has a collection of different watches and might even already has a all pm daytona. Is a sports car not a daily.

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Agree the OF makes sense if you own a full PM piece for variety, but I would probably wear the OF more than the full PM as I wear denim 99% of the time.

Probably not a great idea for your most expensive watch to be a casual piece.