Hypothetical......If a new movement is introduced to the Submariner...

[DonRickles]

Originally Posted by brandrea

That’s awesome Don, I truly hope you enjoy it as much as I do mine

I look forward to the incoming

Thank you, Brian!!!

[Swiss Mad!]

Sub will get 70hr movement, slimmer lug profile & thats about it....

Oh!, wait, did I tell you its going to increase in size to 41mm???

No, oh well, I just did...thank me later.... (its true, my AD told me...)

Oh yes, one more thing, Jubilee bracelet in TT RG.... fact!, no wait, I mean Oysterflex...

Also, Deep Sea is getting a cyclops, same as SD43...fact!

Truth is, currently, no one outside HQ knows bud, but in a couple of weeks we will all know...let's just wait until then.

[A.I.]

WG Blue Dial Oysterflex Tapered Lugs..

Now we're talking....oh yes and a new movement ZZZzzzzzzzzzz,....

[Late]

Originally Posted by brandrea

As others have said, eventually all Rolex will see the 33xx movement update.

Did I miss three decades already? I thought we were talking going from the 3135 (circa mid-80s) to the 3235 (roughly 2015.)

Originally Posted by Avs Fan

One tangible difference, if the 3235 is used, the rotor is now supported with a ball bearing race. You can definitely hear it vs the silent cylinder/post bearing used on the 3135.

I can't hear it, but I can sometimes feel it. It isn't warm butter. But I definitely save on hand-winding and resetting it.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Late

Did I miss three decades already? I thought we were talking going from the 3135 (circa mid-80s) to the 3235 (roughly 2015.)



I can't hear it, but I can sometimes feel it. It isn't warm butter. But I definitely save on hand-winding and resetting it.

Lol. Typo ... yes 32xx is what I meant.

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[TswaneNguni]

They will throw in the 3235 .
Troubled movement ,I have one in for a "oil change" (DSSD Deep-B 2018 ) at RSC while all my 3135s just keep on ticking along accurately .

If I had to make a choice now between a current 116610LN and "126610LN " in September ,I would gladly grab the late serial newly discontinued model.

[Gerardus]

Hypothetical......If a new movement is introduced to the Submariner...

then I am lucky to own the proven and trusted (older) movement.

[Avs Fan]

One tangible difference, if the 3235 is used, the rotor is now supported with a ball bearing race. You can definitely hear it vs the silent cylinder/post bearing used on the 3135.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Avs Fan

One tangible difference, if the 3235 is used, the rotor is now supported with a ball bearing race. You can definitely hear it vs the silent cylinder/post bearing used on the 3135.

The 70 hour power reserve is tangible as well.

Personally, I don't value the ball bearing mounted rotor at all because the silent rotor is a main attractor for me.

[Frank McKay]

A new movement is all guaranteed. A new PM Sub with a green dial as well.

[Mystro]

There is a lot more advancement in the 32 series movement over the older 31 series than just additional power reserve. It has been explained many many times on the forum. Rolex in their conservative development style would only update a movement to address deficiencies. Ceramic rotor bearings is a huge leap forward and updates the Rolex movement to current industry standards. Additional cased up accuracy standards is just another. I know change is hard for the typical Rolex enthusiast but Rolex wouldn’t make upgrades if they really didn’t feel it was required. The Submariner will get the newer and now several years old 32 series movement.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Mystro

There is a lot more advancement in the 32 series movement over the older 31 series than just additional power reserve. It has been explained many many times on the forum. Rolex in their conservative development style would only update a movement to address deficiencies. Ceramic rotor bearings is a huge leap forward and updates the Rolex movement to current industry standards. Additional cased up accuracy standards is just another. I know change is hard for the typical Rolex enthusiast but Rolex wouldn’t make upgrades if they really didn’t feel it was required. The Submariner will get the newer and now several years old 32 series movement.

You make interesting points.
However, the cased up accuracy standards you mention apply equally to the 31xx movements and have coincidentally done so since the introduction of the 5 year warranty.

[Harry-57]

Hypothetically, if I was still in the market for a Sub date, I would buy what I could buy today. I'm not interested in what doesn't exist.

If I was committed to buying new from an AD, I would be on a list. I would take the necessary steps to move onto the hypothetical new list if the existing model is discontinued before I get it.

Happily for me, I have my two Sub Dates. I love them equally, wear them equally, and whatever Rolex do in the future won't change that. It might cause me to end up owning more than my present two, but that's purely hypothetical and it is unlikely to have anything to do with the movement.

[cam182uk]

I'm on the list for a sub no date - i'm hopeful any upgrade/refresh is just the movement as optically i love the current 114060. If they change something, like making the oyster have polished centre links, i think i'll have to save up a bit more and go grey for the current model.

[cam182uk]

Originally Posted by cam182uk

I'm on the list for a sub no date - i'm hopeful any upgrade/refresh is just the movement as optically i love the current 114060. If they change something, like making the oyster have polished centre links, i think i'll have to save up a bit more and go grey for the current model.

Talk about good timing... my AD just sent me an email to say a 114060 had arrived with my name on it. Normally with technology i'd be nervous buying the last gen before an announcement of newer upgrades but i couldn't be happier right now... Will post an incoming tomorrow when i pick up...

[Ranger67]

Originally Posted by cam182uk

Talk about good timing... my AD just sent me an email to say a 114060 had arrived with my name on it. Normally with technology i'd be nervous buying the last gen before an announcement of newer upgrades but i couldn't be happier right now... Will post an incoming tomorrow when i pick up...

Congrats look forward to the pics, for me personally I wouldn’t care abut any upgrade, I’m definitely no expert but it seems the existing movement is very reliable and trusted going by TRF.

[dtwer]

If a company as conservative and risk-averse as Rolex is migrating its product lines to a next-gen movement, I am pretty confident it's out of absolute necessity rather than fashion statement.

[Sandpit]

Yep it will be the 3235 movement. No big deal. The existing movement has been a powerhouse for decades now. Newer doesn’t always equate to better but I could see why some would want the new latest models.

[Rado63]

The new movement and any changes on a new Submariner will probably cause a change in the prices of pre owned SUBs. The 3135 SUBs willl see a price increase.

[Calatrava r]

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=656180


Covered very well in this thread.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=656180


Covered very well in this thread.

I have six 3135s in my collection and four 3235s .

All 3135s (oldest 2007) running very accurately .Never serviced.
One 3235 (2018) out of spec slow (-5s/day) Maybe not an issue or beginning dry bearing issue ,dont know .
Point is I am used to better from Rolex .
I am sure Rolex has fixed the issue on the newest 3235s .

[Rashid.bk]

There’s a lot of angst for the 3235. Do we simply expect Rolex to keep the same movement into the next millennia just because it works. In thirty years when we look back I’m sure the bugs will be worked out and the 32xx will prove itself as consistent or more.

I would find it naive to think that a conservative company like Rolex is going to migrate it’s multi billion dollar product to an inferior untested movement.
The movement has been a victim of what seems to be an early assembly issue with too much or too little lubrication. It isn’t like rotors are falling off or balance bridge collapsing, and the problem is isolated, most 32xx movements are working just fine.

[enjoythemusic]

Padi pretty much sums it up. Frankly, for those who wear 24/7 and are active daily, 24 hour power reserve is fine. Heck, when daily beating the 3-day reserve Panerai PAM01033, it always reads 3 days of reserve.

Would rather have 48 hours with durability over 72 hours of thin 'durability'.

[iTreelex]

I'm sticking to my 31xx movements on my exp 2 and sd4k. Unless they reintroduce a red text, slimmer lugs and movement won't warrant me on getting one since everyone will drool over anything Rolex releases like rabid dogs

[alphadweller]

The other advantage of a 3 days power reserve your is you get two days of decent accuracy when not worn, against just one in the 2 days PR movement. On the last day of PR accuracy tends to fall off a cliff.

[Chester01]

Rolex has been lazy. They need to up the antimagnetic aspects and the power reserve. I was looking at bland pain and they have like 100 hours of power reserve.

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by Chester01

Rolex has been lazy. They need to up the antimagnetic aspects and the power reserve. I was looking at bland pain and they have like 100 hours of power reserve.

Blancpain is the most unreliable brand you can buy lol.

[Chester01]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Blancpain is the most unreliable brand you can buy lol.

Is that right. We hear plenty of stories about the tudor GMT’s having issues.


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[SearChart]

Originally Posted by Chester01

Is that right. We hear plenty of stories about the tudor GMT’s having issues.


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Every brand and movement has its issues. Blancpain is just the best at having issues.

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Every brand and movement has its issues. Blancpain is just the best at having issues.

A particularly annoying cock-up Blancpain made was when they had a mandatory update to their curb pin regulator for the cal. 1150 family (new version was made from an amagnetic alloy). The problem was the curb pins were 4-5X wider than they should have been, making it damn near impossible to regulate the watch to anything less than a delta of 25.

I lost more hours than I care to mention thanks to that seemingly never ending batch of faulty parts.