Rolex Orders in New Zealand advice please

[brandrea]

Welcome to the forum OP. I hope you land one sooner than later

[BillA]

How many AD’s in New Zealand?

[garyk]

Just to clue you in OP, I have a history at two ADs and I have not had any luck getting any of the watches I have wanted for the past 3 years. My name is on a couple and I've been told I'm getting them but zero for now...

[ChugachEagle]

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[yoniman]

Originally Posted by Avator

Hi Everyone,



Since I was quite small I was interested in watches. When I left college at 18 I made it a goal of mine to buy my first Rolex watch for my 30th birthday to enjoy and appreciate and one day hand them down to my kids to hopefully appreciate. I knew there was a waiting list and when I was 25 I called the dealer for Rolex and asked to be put on the waiting list. There were two watches I really wanted, black Submariner with no date and the GMT masters with the black face and blue and red dial. I ordered both because the dealer said it would be unlikely both watches would arrive at the same time anyway.



I would go into the local dealer roughly every 3 months to show my interest was still there. I called up just before Christmas with my 30th Birthday coming up in a year to find out if there were any delays because of Covid 19 and if they knew anything. Talking to the dealer I found out my details were not on the system. I asked them to put my details back onto the system and which watches I was wanting to buy. The manager asked me to come into store for a chat, who also kindly makes you a Coffee. I was annoyed to hear even if your details are in the system it does not grantee you a watch.



Pretty much saying unless your one of the stores big spenders and have spent mega bucks in our store you are not going to receive a Rolex. They suggested to go to a trusted used dealers. If the dealer does have one of those watches your paying mega bucks to buy it, double or even triple the new retail price.



Is there anyone who can advice or suggestions to help me increase my chances of buying these two beautiful watches ?

Kia ora mate!

Are you based in Auckland or Christchurch?

Nga mihi



It's all about health, happiness & family. The rest are just necessary inconveniences we have to deal with.

[mykii]

There's basically 0 chance of getting anything in NZ or Aus. Go grey. Don't listen to the "positive" reports you hear from the US where people get a watch without history, as it is exceedingly uncommon/rare for a sub and 0 chance with the GMT. The US has much more supply than Aus or NZ which is close to 0. You really have to go grey if you're serious about getting a Sub or Pepsi.

[Avator]

Hey mate, neither I am based in Wellington, the windy Capital. I really appreciate everyone's response to this. Otherwise I would be spending money buying things I don't want, still with a little to no chance of owning these watches which could have gone towards paying grey dealer market.

I was ensured by Partridge's that both your watches will turn up, you just have to wait. From what has been said it sounds like your on a endless waiting game with better chances of winning big at Lotto. I understand there are other watches out there, I am currently wearing a Citzen Eco drive. Great watch keeps perfect time and no need to replace the battery. But no I could not replace these two watches with something else. Been waiting a long time to give up on them now.

[G.Montag]

Originally Posted by warren G.

The buying a Rolex at AD experience isn't that special anyway.

While the experience of buying from an AD is indeed nothing special, it is the only way to be 100% certain that you are not buying a fake. That piece of mind is important to many people, especially those who are new to Rolex. Modern "super fakes" are essentially indistinguishable from the real deal without opening up the watch. I wouldn't be surprised if, in the next few years, the counterfeiters figure out a way to accurately clone movements as well.

[Avator]

Hey Mate, No I am from Wellington, the windy capital lol. I appreciate everyone's response otherwise I would be buying things I don't want with still no chance of owning these to watches which I could have spent at the grey. The AD keeps informing me that my watches will turn up for you, but I am guessing from what has been said its just a way to tempt you to buy other things while you wait.

[mykii]

Originally Posted by Avator

Hey Mate, No I am from Wellington, the windy capital lol. I appreciate everyone's response otherwise I would be buying things I don't want with still no chance of owning these to watches which I could have spent at the grey. The AD keeps informing me that my watches will turn up for you, but I am guessing from what has been said its just a way to tempt you to buy other things while you wait.

Correct. There are no shortage of people who essentially end up being ghosted after spending their money. It doesn't change the fact there are super limited numbers of these watches being made relative to the demand. And frankly, being in NZ and not somewhere like the US, puts you at even more of a disadvantage. Whereas someone may wait 6 months to 2yrs in the US for a sub, you could be waiting 2-5yrs in NZ/Aus.

[s22s2]

Hey mate,

I'm from Auckland and I have been in a similar journey as yours for the last three years.

Early 2018, I purchased a pair of IWC watches from The Hour Glass in Brisbane and asked to be placed on the list for a Black Sub (both date / no date), was told I should get the call within the next 6 months.
Mid 2019, I purchased some jewellery (approx $10k NZD) from Partridges in Auckland, asked to be placed on the list for a Black Sub, was told realistically they won't be able to supply me date version but will put my name down for the non-date version which should be a 6 - 12 month wait.
Mid 2020, I purchased a diamond engagement ring and some other wedding jewellery totalling around $30k NZD from Mansors/The Hour Glass in Auckland politely asked for a Batman, Pepsi or Sub and was told ill be on the list.

I check into both the AD's in Auckland every two months or so; talk to the staff, show interest in other watch brands and jewellery. Its almost 2021 and I am still yet to hear from any of them about the arrival of my Submariner and I am not hopeful that I am going to receive one anytime soon. Early to mid this year I was still optimistic, however post Covid-19 lockdowns and travel restrictions there appears to be an extraordinary amount of wealth floating around in NZ. I walked into one of the AD's 2 weeks ago and I saw the staff processing 6 Rolex watches a person just purchased - didn't get to see what the watches were, but they were filling in 6 warranty cards.

One of my colleagues family members are one of the lucky ones who managed to score one two steel professional models from an Auckland AD this year and this wasn't by chance or luck - I was told he has an annual purchase history of 6 figures for the last few years and there are many others who spend far more than him.

So like everyone has said, it is highly unlikely you will receive one of these watches without a significant purchase history / relationship. Unless you need to buy other watches and jewellery like in my circumstance; I would not buy things you don't need in hope to obtain something. I know it sucks but grey is probably the way to go - the greys I know of is About Time in Auckland and Five Forty Five in Wellington. About Time seems to have the most Rolex availability but even for them hot models come few and far between.

All the best!

[Avator]

Hey mate,

It's a tough pill to swallow but your right going gray is the only option. I think trying to deal with the dealer is like . Unless your got mega bucks to spend in the store, and what is the point buying thousands of dollars worth of stuff you don't want when in the end its going to work out cheaper buying grey.

[LyingFlat]

Originally Posted by BillA

How many AD’s in New Zealand?

There are 2 ADs - Partridge Jewellers and The Hour Glass.

The Hour Glass have one store and Partridge have eight stores (of which five stock Rolex).

[ArtNouveau]

Haven’t I heard that there’s only two Rolex AD’s in New Zealand? If so chances are almost zero.

[dannyboy123]

Sounds frustrating, I must have been lucky because it took me only a few months to score my two tone GMT from Sam at Partridge in Cashel Mall ! I found Mansors (Hour Glass) useless! Good luck.

[s22s2]

Originally Posted by dannyboy123

Sounds frustrating, I must have been lucky because it took me only a few months to score my two tone GMT from Sam at Partridge in Cashel Mall ! I found Mansors (Hour Glass) useless! Good luck.

What type of purchase history do you have with them if you don't mind me asking?

[yoniman]

Originally Posted by Avator

Hey mate, neither I am based in Wellington, the windy Capital. I really appreciate everyone's response to this. Otherwise I would be spending money buying things I don't want, still with a little to no chance of owning these watches which could have gone towards paying grey dealer market.



I was ensured by Partridge's that both your watches will turn up, you just have to wait. From what has been said it sounds like your on a endless waiting game with better chances of winning big at Lotto. I understand there are other watches out there, I am currently wearing a Citzen Eco drive. Great watch keeps perfect time and no need to replace the battery. But no I could not replace these two watches with something else. Been waiting a long time to give up on them now.

Hah!
Welcome to (the real) world of Rolex.
As I was saying when I started here, we in NZ have more chances of seeing fornicating unicorns than scoring a MSRP Rolex.
I waited for a GMT for 2 years while regularly it following up. Never got it. The AD then offered me 116613LB which to my pleasant surprise really liked it immediately.

I strongly recommend you buy brand new and from an AD. Not necessarily in NZ. Heard that there is a new AD in Sydney.

Cheers

It's all about health, happiness & family. The rest are just necessary inconveniences we have to deal with.

[teck21]

Originally Posted by yoniman

Hah!
Welcome to (the real) world of Rolex.
As I was saying when I started here, we in NZ have more chances of seeing fornicating unicorns than scoring a MSRP Rolex.
I waited for a GMT for 2 years while regularly it following up. Never got it. The AD then offered me 116613LB which to my pleasant surprise really liked it immediately.

Yeah, the whole find an AD which doesn’t need purchase history thing simply does not wash in Asia Pacific in today.

As for your Bluesy, grats indeed for it is beautiful. You’re right, the objective is to be happy and it’s weird to see people behaving irrationally to make themselves unhappy in the pursuit of any particular Rolex.

This suggests also that people who feel that one must never settle for a second choice reference could be being unnecessarily stubborn. Expectations and all that.

Settling for second choice happens in life a lot, to insist one should only get a Pepsi if one wants a Pepsi is just inviting a world of emotional pain into one’s world.

At the same time the calls from the same group is that one should settle for other brands besides Rolex.....

I know exactly which one is preferable to me.


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[Avator]

I am carious to know how you managed to be lucky enough to receive your order in Christchurch ? Do you have a order history with them or just ask to be put onto the waiting list. I could be wrong but I thought with Australian stores you had to go into store to be put on the waiting list so they know who you are ?

[Avator]

Can anyone advice me on the Rolex Air King with the blue dial ? Are they easier to get hold of ?

[LyingFlat]

Originally Posted by Avator

Can anyone advice me on the Rolex Air King with the blue dial ? Are they easier to get hold of ?

AK with a blue dial? I believe the current AK only comes with a black dial - https://www.rolex.com/watches/air-ki...6900-0001.html

The AK and Explorer are much easier to obtain than Subs or GMTs. In fact, I've seen both models sitting on the shelf at both Partridge and Hour Glass in recent months.

[qpp79]

Unfortunately I think your chance of getting a BlackBlue GMT or Sub Date is close to zero. They only get a few of these pieces every month and there is no reason that they will sell these to a person with NO purchase history, and they know you won't possibly return to buy another "not so desirable" watch or merchandise after getting a popular one. Think about if you are the merchant, why would you sell a limited supply model to a stranger, who could flip the watch to make profit right away? There is no waiting list for strangers, you will only be on the list after you started a purchase history with them.

[mykii]

Originally Posted by qpp79

Unfortunately I think your chance of getting a BlackBlue GMT or Sub Date is close to zero. They only get a few of these pieces every month and there is no reason that they will sell these to a person with NO purchase history, and they know you won't possibly return to buy another "not so desirable" watch or merchandise after getting a popular one. Think about if you are the merchant, why would you sell a limited supply model to a stranger, who could flip the watch to make profit right away? There is no waiting list for strangers, you will only be on the list after you started a purchase history with them.

A few a month? That’s more than they’re getting in Australia...my local AD in Melbourne was getting 5-6 subs a year back in 2016.

[qpp79]

Originally Posted by mykii

A few a month? That’s more than they’re getting in Australia...my local AD in Melbourne was getting 5-6 subs a year back in 2016.

They told you this probably because they don't want to allocate you one and they were looking for excuses. As far as I know, in large US cities, a large AD usually get more than one SS sub per month, combined with BLNRs and BLROs. BLNRs come in very often, while BLRO is just a little more than green sub. The only harder to get ones are SS-SKY, SS-DAYTONA.

[LyingFlat]

Originally Posted by qpp79

They told you this probably because they don't want to allocate you one and they were looking for excuses. As far as I know, in large US cities, a large AD usually get more than one SS sub per month, combined with BLNRs and BLROs. BLNRs come in very often, while BLRO is just a little more than green sub. The only harder to get ones are SS-SKY, SS-DAYTONA.

I do know that each of the stores here in NZ receive around 20-40 pieces per month (usually around the 20th of each month). They do receive multiple SS sports models in each shipment but as we all know, they are already spoken for multiple times over.

[Atone]

Originally Posted by Avator

I am not aware of any used Rolex dealers in New Zealand asides from a shop called About Time in Auckland. I was thinking if you were to order the watch from a dealer from the likes of Beverly hills down Rodeo drive. Would you have a better chance than a small country ?

without going in person you won't get anything. and the BH geary's is prob one of the hardest stores on the planet to establish a relationship at as every famous and insanely wealthy person on the planet shops there. i had already known them pre insanity so i guess i kinda got "grandfathered" in.

[Avator]

That makes sense, when I was talking about the Air King, I meant the same one you see on the top of the forum.

I have taken everyone's advice and have gone grey list. Although I have not removed my name from the Partridge list just in case I am one of those lucky few, but wont count on it. Thanks everyone for your advice otherwise I would be just waiting on a waiting list for nothing to turn up.

[qpp79]

Originally Posted by LyingFlat

I do know that each of the stores here in NZ receive around 20-40 pieces per month (usually around the 20th of each month). They do receive multiple SS sports models in each shipment but as we all know, they are already spoken for multiple times over.

That is right, there will be multiple SS professionals in each shipment. They tell people that they barely receive one because they just don't think these type of people will build a good relationship with them and want to turn them away.

[mykii]

Originally Posted by qpp79

They told you this probably because they don't want to allocate you one and they were looking for excuses. As far as I know, in large US cities, a large AD usually get more than one SS sub per month, combined with BLNRs and BLROs. BLNRs come in very often, while BLRO is just a little more than green sub. The only harder to get ones are SS-SKY, SS-DAYTONA.

That is in the US, I was talking about Melbourne, Australia. Also, that is not at all the allocation specs that many ADs get. A lot of them get 0 of the models you're referencing on a monthly basis.

Originally Posted by LyingFlat

I do know that each of the stores here in NZ receive around 20-40 pieces per month (usually around the 20th of each month). They do receive multiple SS sports models in each shipment but as we all know, they are already spoken for multiple times over.

And a lot of SS models are not "desirable", either. Or are TT variants.

[CurrentlyAway]

Originally Posted by mykii

That is in the US, I was talking about Melbourne, Australia. Also, that is not at all the allocation specs that many ADs get. A lot of them get 0 of the models you're referencing on a monthly basis.



And a lot of SS models are not "desirable", either. Or are TT variants.

From my discussions with AD's in Australia, they get as many 126610lv's as DJ's but they are just too popular so you don't ever get the chance to see one.

In regards to a few "desirable" SS sports models I have been told that they usually hold them back as a reward for good customers.

On the brighter side, they are limiting purchasing only to the state you live in. They will run a quick ID check on you before they sell it to you.