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928ktgold · 17 March 2021, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by alonsowwss

Oh no. Don’t get a watch you don’t even want to get a watch you might not even get.

126334Blue//116710BLNR//116500White//116622Rhodium//Cartier Drive Moonphase//Cartier Santos ADLC

That should be the motto of TRF. Well said!

Gab27 · 17 March 2021, 04:14 PM

I agree with just getting what you want from a trusted secondary seller rather than spending a fortune on something you like but don't necessarily love. I had a little apprehension about going this way at first. Luckily, with all of the feedback here about trusted sellers, I started perusing websites and found the watch I wanted at a (secondary) price I considered acceptable, I made the purchase, and I am very happy I did.

onthewaitlist · 17 March 2021, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rado63

So you want to build a relationship with the AD? You mentioned you already purchased there before. Did they just call you out of the blue, and offer a 228238 with a small discount and no sales tax? Lucky you, Where I live we have to pay sales tax. And what you really want is a GMT pepsi. Here is my advice. Call all the secondary market dealers and see what they will pay you for the Daydate unworn, no links taken out. Sell it the the day after you buy it. Then you will know where you stand in regards to value retention. Best is to ask your AD for the pepsi and the daydate together, otherwise they will call you next month with some other watch you don't want like a deep sea, or two tone date just. Then, after one day date and two more purchases you might get a Pepsi.

I text my AD every few months to see what stock they have. (They’re about 6 hours drive away from me but I used to go to their city often for business)

He replied back saying that one of the watches that I am interested in (DD40) will be here soon and he was going to call me to tell me about it soon.

Honestly, I really used to WANT Pepsi but after all this crazy hype - my desire for Pepsi has actually started to dwindle.

Yeah I’ll reach out to dealers and see what they say

drrd · 17 March 2021, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by onthewaitlist

Hi everyone,

I've just been offered a Day Date 40mm, champaign dial with roman numeral markers.

I'm thinking about getting this watch to build a relationship with the AD (so I can get closer to my grail of getting the Pepsi GMT *been wanting this since 2018).

What are you guys' thoughts of getting this piece, wear it a for a while (due to the pandemic, there are fewer events that I can wear gold watches to compared to prior) and potentially selling it later?

I'm not familiar with the Day Date market value or as an investment piece... so I'm hoping to get an advice whether this piece will at least hold 85% of its value.

I don't want to be buying a watch that doesn't hold value at this particular time.

Updates: *Should've provided more info. :-)

#1 - The AD quoted me USD34.5K. (There's no tax, and this is an AD I've bought from before)
#2 - DD40 is definitely one watch that I would like to add to my collection, just unsure whether I want champagne dial / black dial.
#3 - I'm definitely not buying this DD to get the GMT. (But it helps, I would like to buy from this AD). I would still really appreciate this DD and would like to wear it.

PS: Been a silent reader for a year now, finally posting first post/thread in this forum.

PSS: I know watches are not supposed to be investment.

So buy it.

Make it clear you're looking for other watches.

If they don't come up with more then go to anther AD and try again.

Forget greys unless you're purely short-term, or long-term you've money to burn.

Jas14 · 17 March 2021, 07:48 PM

I’m impressed with the discount on the rootbeer gmt!!

Brew · 17 March 2021, 07:56 PM

My only question when considering that watch is, should I go for diamonds?

Tikandtokalot · 17 March 2021, 08:06 PM

Only buy a watch you want and if the price isn't a big deal then go grey.
It makes no sense to put up with all this complication and then make a loss.

jcarm981 · 17 March 2021, 09:15 PM

Here come the “discounts are back” posts incoming.

Rolster · 17 March 2021, 10:06 PM

[QUOTE=shkure;11322614]You should buy that DD for sure OP. But either ask for it to be bundled with a Pepsi (which most likely wont happen) or ask for a 10% discount (which will likely happen). I just got a 10% discount on a full Everose Rootbeer. After the discount there is no way you loose in the DD and it gets you closer to the Pepsi.

Excellent job getting 10% off on the full Everose Rootbeer. But I don't know if I would agree with "no way you lose in the DD". OP, call a trusted Grey and see what they are BUYING that champagne DD for....you might be surprised.

Fleetlord · 17 March 2021, 10:17 PM

I like the DD better than the Pepsi!

That being said, just buy Pepsi from Grey and be done with it, especially if that’s all you’re interested in.

shkure · 17 March 2021, 10:29 PM

[QUOTE=Rolster;11322947]

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Originally Posted by shkure

You should buy that DD for sure OP. But either ask for it to be bundled with a Pepsi (which most likely wont happen) or ask for a 10% discount (which will likely happen). I just got a 10% discount on a full Everose Rootbeer. After the discount there is no way you loose in the DD and it gets you closer to the Pepsi.

Excellent job getting 10% off on the full Everose Rootbeer. But I don't know if I would agree with "no way you lose in the DD". OP, call a trusted Grey and see what they are BUYING that champagne DD for....you might be surprised.

The absolute lowest i see the yellow gold/champagne/roman DD in Chrono is USD 40k. I would comfortably say that the OP can go to any gray market dealer and get $35k for it if unworn. OP, have a few calls to local grays and see what they would offer. I would be shocked if its below $35k.

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Benzsiam · 17 March 2021, 10:58 PM

Day-Date at $34.5k at your AD is a lot better buy than $20k for Pepsi at grey.

I am surprised that they give you pretty good discount, nowadays is very hard to find any discount for Rolex.

This Day-Date is not the best looking for this model but it is one of the iconic timepiece for Rolex.

The main thing is you buy only if you really like it.

Rolster · 17 March 2021, 10:59 PM

[QUOTE=shkure;11322970]

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Originally Posted by Rolster

The absolute lowest i see the yellow gold/champagne/roman DD in Chrono is USD 40k. I would comfortably say that the OP can go to any gray market dealer and get $35k for it if unworn. OP, have a few calls to local grays and see what they would offer. I would be shocked if its below $35k.

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I'm only offering this because I went through the process myself. Asking price on Chrono 24 is not the sale price, nor what a dealer is willing to buy your watch. Just saying, take a deeper dive. Cheers.

watchmaker · 17 March 2021, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by daOnlyBG

Because for every individual watch priced at MSRP (not reference number, but literal watch) there are dozens of customers waiting for it, and the ADs know.

Because the general public doesn't realize that the new dealer discount is the chance to buy at MSRP and not 20% off, like in the old days.

We the public have no leverage. It's why buying jewelry from oneof these places goes a mile.

Exactly this!

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Originally Posted by Jack T

Why are we, the customers, the ones who have to suck up to the AD to build a relationship?

You’ll find you have significantly more leverage with the very same AD if you don’t want to buy the same watches everybody and their dog wants to buy. Hard as it is to imagine there’s plenty of amazing brands and products out there that ADs will bend over backwards to sell you

Rrpdc · 17 March 2021, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RJRJRJ

There are some DDs these days that you can flip immediately and not lose much, if anything, but they need to be unworn. The YG/Champagne DD is not one of them.

+1

Wg blue or olive would be a different story.

Yg forget it.

LTlhr · 17 March 2021, 11:42 PM

My golden rule is only buy a watch you really want. Sounds to me like the DD you're being offered isn't the exact one you want, so say no and wait for the right one to come along.

beshannon · 17 March 2021, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by onthewaitlist

I'm thinking about getting this watch to build a relationship with the AD (so I can get closer to my grail of getting the Pepsi GMT *been wanting this since 2018).

Ok, you could just buy the watch you want today from someone on the forum

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Originally Posted by onthewaitlist

What are you guys' thoughts of getting this piece, wear it a for a while (due to the pandemic, there are fewer events that I can wear gold watches to compared to prior) and potentially selling it later?

When? To whom? How much do you hope to get back?

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Originally Posted by onthewaitlist

I'm not familiar with the Day Date market value or as an investment piece... so I'm hoping to get an advice whether this piece will at least hold 85% of its value.

You could look at the sales forum for previous sales, how long you hold will likely determine its value

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Originally Posted by onthewaitlist

I don't want to be buying a watch that doesn't hold value at this particular time.

Then why buy what you don't want?

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Originally Posted by onthewaitlist

Updates: *Should've provided more info. :-)

DD40 is definitely one watch that I would like to add to my collection, just unsure whether I want champagne dial / black dial.

Then why buy it?

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Originally Posted by onthewaitlist

#3 - I'm definitely not buying this DD to get the GMT. (But it helps, I would like to buy from this AD). I would still really appreciate this DD and would like to wear it.

But you said you were?

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Originally Posted by onthewaitlist

PSS: I know watches are not supposed to be investment.

If you know when you want to sell and how much you expect to make, then that is an investment.

RayRay89 · 18 March 2021, 12:07 AM

Try to bundle it, or ask for a WG DD to bundle if you’re not much of a gold person

CLTRolex · 18 March 2021, 12:18 AM

What a world we live in.
People buying something they don’t want (in excess of 5 figures) just (JUST) to have a possible chance to be allowed the honor of buying something they want (in excess! of 5 figures).

To those people, I would highly recommend a cold shower followed by a trip to the looney bin

PS: DD and OP with champagne dials are no longer in style. Since the 80s...

Fleetlord · 18 March 2021, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CLTRolex

What a world we live in.
People buying something they don’t want (in excess of 5 figures) just (JUST) to have a possible chance to be allowed the honor of buying something they want (in excess! of 5 figures).

To those people, I would highly recommend a cold shower followed by a trip to the looney bin

PS: DD and OP with champagne dials are no longer in style. Since the 80s...

I understand what you're stating, but it's all relative.

The costs involved here might be insignificant and irrelevant to some, so it's really not of any concern other than aligning themselves to acquire what they are chasing...hence Rolex marketing and distribution strategies are proving their effectiveness once again. The pull of the "scarce" Pepsi is so strong it creates a PM sale to someone not really looking for one, but suddenly considering it...

CLTRolex · 18 March 2021, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I understand what you're stating, but it's all relative.

The costs involved here might be insignificant and irrelevant to some, so it's really not of any concern other than aligning themselves to acquire what they are chasing...hence Rolex marketing and distribution strategies are proving their effectiveness once again. The pull of the "scarce" Pepsi is so strong it creates a PM sale to someone not really looking for one, but suddenly considering it...

I’d say if cost is irrelevant then get it at a grey. There is no point in postering or pretending to dance with a SA.

WestCoastS · 18 March 2021, 01:11 AM

Do not over complicate it

only play the game with the AD IF you want to enjoy the DD40. Do not feel pressured to buy a 35k piece just to get the Pepsi. When it comes in try it on see what you think and who knows. like one guy said maybe it will be the new grail and make you forget about the Pepsi.

Jack T · 18 March 2021, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by watchmaker

Exactly this!

You’ll find you have significantly more leverage with the very same AD if you don’t want to buy the same watches everybody and their dog wants to buy. Hard as it is to imagine there’s plenty of amazing brands and products out there that ADs will bend over backwards to sell you

Perhaps, but for the vast majority of people posting on TRF, they’re after the same four Rolex models that everybody and their dog wants.

franktehtank · 18 March 2021, 02:13 AM

Bundle the two TOGETHER at the same time, or don't buy it at all. AD's will love to string you along, getting you to spend more and more money.

Then again, you could save money and just buy the pepsi grey market, and actually get the watch you want.

krotondo · 18 March 2021, 02:16 AM

being "offered" this piece isn't anything special, don't let them feel like they are doing you a favor. This exact DD is has been sitting in my AD's case for months..

Tridor · 18 March 2021, 02:24 AM

It's extortion, plain and simple. If you insist on playing the AD's game, then you can always say that you won't take the DD now, unless he gives you a Pepsi ... NOW! That way, you've gotten the two watches you have wanted immediately without relying on the AD's representation that you may get a Pepsi in the future.

DoctorA · 18 March 2021, 02:34 AM

Honestly depends on the AD
if they’re “honest” and don’t do back door business to grey market then getting your DD would be a great start of a relationship, not only to get your pepsi but for future watches as well
However if they turn out to be the “bad type” and there are many of those now then no guarantee of even a Pepsi

watchmaker · 18 March 2021, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack T

Perhaps, but for the vast majority of people posting on TRF, they’re after the same four Rolex models that everybody and their dog wants.

And that’s the problem.

My point is simply; for high demand items the seller holds the cards, for average/low demand items the buyer holds the cards. We can’t have our cake and eat it.

imsayingthough · 18 March 2021, 02:37 AM

I love DDs, love the pepsi too, i would never drop 35K+ on a watch I dont love though.

watchmaker · 18 March 2021, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Tridor

It's extortion, plain and simple. If you insist on playing the AD's game, then you can always say that you won't take the DD now, unless he gives you a Pepsi ... NOW! That way, you've gotten the two watches you have wanted immediately without relying on the AD's representation that you may get a Pepsi in the future.

What? Where does extortion or games come in to this?

As far as my reading of it goes it’s entirely the OP’s idea.

“ I'm thinking about getting this watch to build a relationship with the AD...” doesn’t sound coerced to me.

17 March 2021, 10:58 PM	#42
Benzsiam 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: USA Watch: Rolex/AP/PP/ALS Posts: 6,002	Day-Date at $34.5k at your AD is a lot better buy than $20k for Pepsi at grey. I am surprised that they give you pretty good discount, nowadays is very hard to find any discount for Rolex. This Day-Date is not the best looking for this model but it is one of the iconic timepiece for Rolex. The main thing is you buy only if you really like it. __________________ Rolex: 116621, 126333, 126711CHNR, 114060, 116500LN White, 126660 JC, 126710BLNR, 126710BLRO, 116610LV, 126610LN, 126610LV, 116508 YG Green Dial, 124300 Turquoise, 126719BLRO Meteorite dial, 228235 Olive dial ,126755SARU, 116505 RG Black dial, 326934 Blue Sky D. AP: 15451ST Blue, 15500OR w/Bracelet, 14790SA, 14790BA, 26022BC(Salmon) PP: 5524R, 5712G, ALS: Time Zone 136.032, Cartier: WGSA0030, WSSA0061, YG Oct. 2965, Carree 2961, YG Carree, Tank W5000156 Breguet: 7137BA, MontBlanc: 109996"

17 March 2021, 11:42 PM	#46
LTlhr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: London Posts: 119	My golden rule is only buy a watch you really want. Sounds to me like the DD you're being offered isn't the exact one you want, so say no and wait for the right one to come along. __________________ Breitling: Avenger GMT (Red Arrows). Bremont: Supersonic. Hublot: Classic Fusion Chrono (Blue). Panerai: Luminor Base. Patek Philippe: 5905R Annual Calendar Chrono. Rolex: Day-Date WG Olive Green, Sky-Dweller RG Choc, Daytona YG Green, Daytona WG Blue, Submariner (Hulk), Submariner (Kermit), GMT II (Batgirl), GMT II (Pepsi), Sea-Dweller (SD43), OP41 (Silver), Air-King, Datejust (1967 Vintage).

18 March 2021, 12:18 AM	#49
CLTRolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Real Name: Robert Location: Charlotte/London Watch: Multiple Posts: 889	What a world we live in. People buying something they don’t want (in excess of 5 figures) just (JUST) to have a possible chance to be allowed the honor of buying something they want (in excess! of 5 figures). To those people, I would highly recommend a cold shower followed by a trip to the looney bin PS: DD and OP with champagne dials are no longer in style. Since the 80s... __________________ ♕ Daytona - 116506 ♕ GMT-Master II - 116710BLNR ♕ Yacht-Master II - 116680 ♕ Daytona - 116520 ♕ Explorer II - 16570

18 March 2021, 01:11 AM	#52
WestCoastS "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Canada Watch: Rolex Posts: 541	Do not over complicate it only play the game with the AD IF you want to enjoy the DD40. Do not feel pressured to buy a 35k piece just to get the Pepsi. When it comes in try it on see what you think and who knows. like one guy said maybe it will be the new grail and make you forget about the Pepsi. __________________ Submariner 116613LB Blusey Sky Dweller TT Black Dial DD 40 Silver Dial on [[[Yellow Gold]]]

18 March 2021, 02:24 AM	#56
Tridor "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The Ozone Watch: DD, DJ, SubC Date Posts: 1,666	It's extortion, plain and simple. If you insist on playing the AD's game, then you can always say that you won't take the DD now, unless he gives you a Pepsi ... NOW! That way, you've gotten the two watches you have wanted immediately without relying on the AD's representation that you may get a Pepsi in the future. __________________ "Never complain about the air-conditioning on a private jet." - Michael Nesmith

17 March 2021, 04:14 PM	#32
Gab27 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: MD/NC Watch: 114060 Posts: 2,591	I agree with just getting what you want from a trusted secondary seller rather than spending a fortune on something you like but don't necessarily love. I had a little apprehension about going this way at first. Luckily, with all of the feedback here about trusted sellers, I started perusing websites and found the watch I wanted at a (secondary) price I considered acceptable, I made the purchase, and I am very happy I did.

17 March 2021, 07:48 PM	#35
Jas14 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: GA USA Watch: Zenith El Primero Posts: 68	I’m impressed with the discount on the rootbeer gmt!!

17 March 2021, 07:56 PM	#36
Brew "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Real Name: Larry Location: Finger Lakes Posts: 6,007	My only question when considering that watch is, should I go for diamonds?

17 March 2021, 08:06 PM	#37
Tikandtokalot "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Scotland Watch: Tudor BB41 M79540 Posts: 648	Only buy a watch you want and if the price isn't a big deal then go grey. It makes no sense to put up with all this complication and then make a loss.

17 March 2021, 09:15 PM	#38
jcarm981 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Real Name: Joe Location: USA Watch: Patek 5167 Posts: 757	Here come the “discounts are back” posts incoming.

17 March 2021, 10:06 PM	#39
Rolster "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: USA Posts: 8	[QUOTE=shkure;11322614]You should buy that DD for sure OP. But either ask for it to be bundled with a Pepsi (which most likely wont happen) or ask for a 10% discount (which will likely happen). I just got a 10% discount on a full Everose Rootbeer. After the discount there is no way you loose in the DD and it gets you closer to the Pepsi. Excellent job getting 10% off on the full Everose Rootbeer. But I don't know if I would agree with "no way you lose in the DD". OP, call a trusted Grey and see what they are BUYING that champagne DD for....you might be surprised.

17 March 2021, 10:17 PM	#40
Fleetlord 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vain Posts: 6,023	I like the DD better than the Pepsi! That being said, just buy Pepsi from Grey and be done with it, especially if that’s all you’re interested in.

18 March 2021, 12:07 AM	#48
RayRay89 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: USA Posts: 237	Try to bundle it, or ask for a WG DD to bundle if you’re not much of a gold person

18 March 2021, 02:13 AM	#54
franktehtank "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Canada Watch: Sub, GMT Posts: 712	Bundle the two TOGETHER at the same time, or don't buy it at all. AD's will love to string you along, getting you to spend more and more money. Then again, you could save money and just buy the pepsi grey market, and actually get the watch you want.

18 March 2021, 02:16 AM	#55
krotondo "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: CT Watch: 126610LN Posts: 58	being "offered" this piece isn't anything special, don't let them feel like they are doing you a favor. This exact DD is has been sitting in my AD's case for months..

18 March 2021, 02:34 AM	#57
DoctorA "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: USA Posts: 6,545	Honestly depends on the AD if they’re “honest” and don’t do back door business to grey market then getting your DD would be a great start of a relationship, not only to get your pepsi but for future watches as well However if they turn out to be the “bad type” and there are many of those now then no guarantee of even a Pepsi __________________ Wear the watch you like, not the one they tell you to wear!

18 March 2021, 02:37 AM	#59
imsayingthough "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: New York Posts: 761	I love DDs, love the pepsi too, i would never drop 35K+ on a watch I dont love though.

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