Need help deciding on this FP Journe!

[Skyrider01]

Originally Posted by Parapraxis

Ever seen them listed on the secondary market?
I've seen white dials for 50k.
But the only Havana dial I've seen is on watchbox, it's 38mm and price upon request.

I have seen 3 or 4 listed in the last 3 months. There was a RG with deployant clasp listed at 42.5K in March and the last one with a price which I saw was around 52K about a month ago. Can't remember if it was the RG or Pt.

[crod]

Originally Posted by Parapraxis

Is the Havana dial more desirable than the white dial?

I had the CS white dial and changed it for the HAVANA. 2 years ago. The Havana CS has a very special and unique dial is harder to get and much rarer than the white dial since it has been in circulation for much less years that the white.

[Parapraxis]

Originally Posted by JR16

Don’t think. Just buy it. You won’t regret it as long as you find it beautiful and it fits wellZ


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Unfortunately, as you can tell, I'm an overthinker.

[Parapraxis]

Originally Posted by crod

I had the CS white dial and changed it for the HAVANA. 2 years ago. The Havana CS has a very special and unique dial is harder to get and much rarer than the white dial since it has been in circulation for much less years that the white.

Thank you for this. I figured the Havana dial is more rare and harder to get than white because it's gold and ruthenium mixed to get that color. But since we don't know production numbers, I wanted to at least see if the market felt that the Havana dial was more desirable than the white.

Does FP Journe historically have a unique dial and then discontinue it and move on to some new unique dial? I've seen dials on old CS models that aren't offered on current CS models.

[JR16]

Originally Posted by Parapraxis

Unfortunately, as you can tell, I'm an overthinker.

I get it! But seriously if you like this piece and - more importantly - if it fits well, you won’t have any regrets buying it at MSRP. I have a CB and a 38mm octa lune , both huge purchases for me financially, but so glad I went through with both purchases .


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[crod]

Originally Posted by Parapraxis

Thank you for this. I figured the Havana dial is more rare and harder to get than white because it's gold and ruthenium mixed to get that color. But since we don't know production numbers, I wanted to at least see if the market felt that the Havana dial was more desirable than the white.

Does FP Journe historically have a unique dial and then discontinue it and move on to some new unique dial? I've seen dials on old CS models that aren't offered on current CS models.

They discontinued the Havana Octa Automatique Reserve and the Havana Auto Lune.
I was a couple of weeks ago with people from FP Journe and they told me its very likely the Havana CS will be the next one and get discontinued soon.

[Parapraxis]

Originally Posted by crod

They discontinued the Havana Octa Automatique Reserve and the Havana Auto Lune.
I was a couple of weeks ago with people from FP Journe and they told me its very likely the Havana CS will be the next one and get discontinued soon.

Oh wow, now that is interesting to hear!
What happened to the second hand prices after the above watches were discontinued?

[Parapraxis]

Originally Posted by JR16

I get it! But seriously if you like this piece and - more importantly - if it fits well, you won’t have any regrets buying it at MSRP. I have a CB and a 38mm octa lune , both huge purchases for me financially, but so glad I went through with both purchases .


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Those are really comforting and reassuring words, thanks for that I needed to hear that

[Skyrider01]

Originally Posted by crod

They discontinued the Havana Octa Automatique Reserve and the Havana Auto Lune.
I was a couple of weeks ago with people from FP Journe and they told me its very likely the Havana CS will be the next one and get discontinued soon.

They discontinued the entire Octa Automatique Reserve collection, but are you sure about the Havana Auto Lune?

It is still on their website which means it is still available but I won't be surprised if it is discontinued soon.

[crod]

Originally Posted by Skyrider01

They discontinued the entire Octa Automatique Reserve collection, but are you sure about the Havana Auto Lune?

It is still on their website which means it is still available but I won't be surprised if it is discontinued soon.

Yes you are correct it still appears in the current collection but if you go in the discontinued (retrospective) section it appears as discontinued

https://www.fpjourne.com/en/collecti...=retrospective

[Skyrider01]

Originally Posted by crod

Yes you are correct it still appears in the current collection but if you go in the discontinued (retrospective) section it appears as discontinued

https://www.fpjourne.com/en/collecti...=retrospective

The Octa Automatic Lunes which are listed in the Retrospective Collection are the older models.
You will see that the white dial is listed there as well as the Havana.

The current model was introduced in 2019. It has a few differences on the dial compared to the original version.
Also, the original AL was available in 38mm and 40mm. The AL2 is available in 40mm and 42mm.

[crod]

Originally Posted by Skyrider01

The Octa Automatic Lunes which are listed in the Retrospective Collection are the older models.
You will see that the white dial is listed there as well as the Havana.

The current model was introduced in 2019. It has a few differences on the dial compared to the original version.
Also, the original AL was available in 38mm and 40mm. The AL2 is available in 40mm and 42mm.

Yes you are correct

[Parapraxis]

Originally Posted by Skyrider01

The Octa Automatic Lunes which are listed in the Retrospective Collection are the older models.
You will see that the white dial is listed there as well as the Havana.

The current model was introduced in 2019. It has a few differences on the dial compared to the original version.
Also, the original AL was available in 38mm and 40mm. The AL2 is available in 40mm and 42mm.

Have they ever discontinued a CS? Or has the same model(s) been in production? I don't see any time only/power reserve entry model CS in the retrospective collection section.

[Parapraxis]

Originally Posted by Skyrider01

I have seen 3 or 4 listed in the last 3 months. There was a RG with deployant clasp listed at 42.5K in March and the last one with a price which I saw was around 52K about a month ago. Can't remember if it was the RG or Pt.

I'm seeing white dial CS for sale in the 30s:
https://www.rolexforums.com/search.p...rchid=29475810

Am I missing something?

[Skyrider01]

Originally Posted by Parapraxis

I'm seeing white dial CS for sale in the 30s:
https://www.rolexforums.com/search.p...rchid=29475810

Am I missing something?

Yes that one is listed for close to retail so it seems like a good deal.
The white dials seem to come up for sale more often than the Havana dials and tend to be a little cheaper. I’m not positive, but retail price on the Havana dials might be slightly higher than the white as well.

[Becweb]

If you are in love with it and can't sleep without thinking about it, buy it regardless of value or secondary price. Better things to invest in than watches if you're after a quick or slow buck.
For my part, I find FPJ watches ugly - not my style at all

[Parapraxis]

Originally Posted by Becweb

If you are in love with it and can't sleep without thinking about it, buy it regardless of value or secondary price. Better things to invest in than watches if you're after a quick or slow buck.
For my part, I find FPJ watches ugly - not my style at all

Not looking for a quick buck, but when spending this much money on a watch, it's always nice to know the money is safe in case an emergency happens and I need the cash. No plans to sell it unless an emergency comes a long.

[Parapraxis]

Originally Posted by Skyrider01

Yes that one is listed for close to retail so it seems like a good deal.
The white dials seem to come up for sale more often than the Havana dials and tend to be a little cheaper. I’m not positive, but retail price on the Havana dials might be slightly higher than the white as well.

Okay so the CS then it's still around retail (~37k) in the second hand market? So it's holding value, not necessarily appreciating?

[Skyrider01]

Originally Posted by Parapraxis

Okay so the CS then it's still around retail (~37k) in the second hand market? So it's holding value, not necessarily appreciating?

The bottom line is all Journe pieces are becoming more and more difficult to get. In the US, all pieces for purchase through the boutiques are spoken for until 2023. A lot of their pieces cannot be obtained without a relationship. (The CS is not one of them).

If you are able to get a piece you like and want and the price is affordable and reasonable to you, I wouldn't hesitate.

[GB-man]

If you want a Journe its hard to imagine any scenarios where you get a better or safer first piece in this market. It would be like walking into an unknown rolex AD and them offering a blue dial DJ41 on jubilee.

[stonejordan]

Originally Posted by Parapraxis

Not looking for a quick buck, but when spending this much money on a watch, it's always nice to know the money is safe in case an emergency happens and I need the cash. No plans to sell it unless an emergency comes a long.

Agreed. My Black Label is coming in 2023 and while I don't expect to resell it within the next decade or two (or any of my other Journes for that matter), it is nice to know that it is relatively liquid in case I do need the funds for an emergency.

[Parapraxis]

Originally Posted by GB-man

If you want a Journe its hard to imagine any scenarios where you get a better or safer first piece in this market. It would be like walking into an unknown rolex AD and them offering a blue dial DJ41 on jubilee.

That's great perspective, thank you

[Parapraxis]

Thanks guys, I appreciate all of the help. Thanks for being supportive and not biting my head off for all of the anxious questions

[Watchflair]

I went to Journe in NYC this past Saturday. It was refreshing that they actually had a few pieces to see, touch, feel.

The rep was very welcoming and helpful. We talked watches etc. I registered my interest in a CS and was told that all of 2022 was spoken for - he told me it's about a 2 year wait. Personally, I'm fine with that - not in a rush.

Seemed to be very transparent.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by Parapraxis

From an AD. Would be my first piece. I asked for CS white dial in platinum but they've offered me this. What I really want is the Elegante. I'm afraid to turn this down as it might rupture the relationship. Hence, why I'm asking the aftermarket price (not that I'm selling, just to help me rationalize a sudden purchase).

Looks like you fellows are quoting 50k aftermarket, that's in comparison to 37k retail right? So it's trading above retail second hand? Thanks guys

I will take a CS over an Elegante anytime. Just flip the CS over and you will see how special the movement is. If you need any conviction, read the article from thejourneguy about CS. The watch is deceivingly simple for a very complicated time only watch.

[Parapraxis]

Originally Posted by llngoc

I will take a CS over an Elegante anytime. Just flip the CS over and you will see how special the movement is. If you need any conviction, read the article from thejourneguy about CS. The watch is deceivingly simple for a very complicated time only watch.

Link to that article?

[Parapraxis]

Originally Posted by Watchflair

I went to Journe in NYC this past Saturday. It was refreshing that they actually had a few pieces to see, touch, feel.

The rep was very welcoming and helpful. We talked watches etc. I registered my interest in a CS and was told that all of 2022 was spoken for - he told me it's about a 2 year wait. Personally, I'm fine with that - not in a rush.

Seemed to be very transparent.

CS 40mm in RG is a 2 year waiting list? Wow. That gives me perspective on the chance I have at hand with the CS Platinum Havana dial.

The pieces you got to try and touch, what were they and were they available for sale?

[Watchflair]

Originally Posted by Parapraxis

CS 40mm in RG is a 2 year waiting list? Wow. That gives me perspective on the chance I have at hand with the CS Platinum Havana dial.

The pieces you got to try and touch, what were they and were they available for sale?

No - marketing pieces or the employees own piece in this instance. I’m a fan of the platinum Havana - love the contrast - I’d pull the trigger.


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[llngoc]

Originally Posted by Parapraxis

Link to that article?

Here you go:

http://thejourneguy.com/rediscoverin...tre-souverain/

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by Parapraxis

CS 40mm in RG is a 2 year waiting list? Wow. That gives me perspective on the chance I have at hand with the CS Platinum Havana dial.

The pieces you got to try and touch, what were they and were they available for sale?

My AD told me only the Automatique Lune has a relatively short list but it is still a year out since 2022 is sold out already.