It’s time for a 38mm Datejust

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by samson66

The key word in the top sentence is "market." Rolex has their own science in how they market their watches. The OP41 is 39mm. The 40mm Daytona is just over 38mm. Agree it makes no sense and it has bothered me for years. I don't see other watch companies overtly lying about the dimensions of their watches but Rolex sees fit to do it. Rounding up to the nearest mm is fine, but marketing a 39 mm OP as a 41 is just blatant misrepresentation IMO.

As for 38 being perfect they can't make every model in 5 or 6 different sizes. They have a 36 and they have a 39.4. So if 38 is good for you we are only talking about 1.4mm difference here. I think most people are happy with one or the other. It wasn't real long ago that 36 was the largest they offered in a Datejust so I'm thrilled that folks like me with larger wrists at least have a larger option.

I hear ya, but they have made changes to the Sub size recently, the OP 41 size last year. I think they wouldn't be out of line making the 36 to 38mm...If not for the fact that 36mm is so classic... but so was the sub at 40mm.

I can wear 36mm, but the date just feels a tad small, even for me. I would bust down the doors for one in 38mm. Right now I'm being very non-comittal between the 36 and 41 and change my mind daily (since the Exp 39 has been discontinued). Not that I can get my hands on either anytime soon. I have tried both on in the past though, and as I mentioned, I was surprised at the 41...

But... I only did give it a try because I read on TRF here that it wasn't actually 41mm... so there's that.

[HiBoost]

Originally Posted by samson66

Respectfully disagree. They clearly want to market it as a 41 mm alternative to the 36, while at the same time keeping the actual diameter just over 39 which to my eyes is a perfect size. The 36 is always there for folks who feel the "41" is too large. I think they nailed it with the DJ41

I agree with all that. For the sake of discussion do we know what the DJ36 actually measures in the same dimension that you showed? I.e. is it a true 36 or is it 34.5 or something?

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by gnuyork

Respectfully, it makes no damn sense. Clearly, it's not 41mm, it's not even 40mm... so why market it as a 41 alternative?

What about folks that feel 41 is too big and 36 is too small... hence this thread. To me (my opinion), 38mm is perfect.

The 39mm actual diameter is not too bad though, I can wear it. Not a fan of the wider bezel, but I think it's more pronounced in pictures than on wrist.

What are the measurements from 4-10 or 2-8? Measuring along that axis will get some case/lug at the edges and probably stretch it beyond 40.

[winst]

Originally Posted by Rags

A 36mm & 38mm could be worn by both men & women. If a 39.4 mm DJ is the perfect size watch then why was the Explorer reduced back to 36mm from 39mm.

Because they wanted to tap in to the Asian Market and Women’s market more with the Explorer as I don’t believe they were selling that many 39mm’s compared to what they think they can with the 36mm. I still prefer the 39mm but that’s my personal preference.

[Thuilln]

36mm ; Rolex ; a good match.
If you want a bigger watch switch to other brands.

[dean_1nza]

im on board for something in between the 36 and 41. As a workaround, I put a jubilee on my OP39 and couldn't be happier

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[zewill]

Originally Posted by Rags

So why isn’t is called the 39mm DJ?

Because it wears large and looks like a 40+mm watch

Honestly I do feel 2 mm does a difference. I would vote yes for a 38mm DJ.

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by dannyp

What are the measurements from 4-10 or 2-8? Measuring along that axis will get some case/lug at the edges and probably stretch it beyond 40.

I think that's how I've seen it measured at 39 and change, but I don't remember exactly.

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by gnuyork

I think that's how I've seen it measured at 39 and change, but I don't remember exactly.

I've seen that with the OP 41 and 34, but in that case it was still be measured to the bezel edges (should be the same no matter what as long as 6 hours apart), rather than the case edges.

[TimeAZ]

I'm quite small wristed and still enjoy the DJ41. As aptly illustrated by a helpful poster here, it measures 39.4 mm in diameter. Lug-to-lug is also manageable. Oddly, I find the current generation of 36mm DJ to be too small. Previous 116XXX series had a super case with wider lugs, lending to a larger wearing experience, felt/looked more like a 38.

Anyway, I think if given the option I would pick a 38mm watch over the 39.4mm of the DJ41. To me, 38mm is the perfect size and suitable for nearly all wrist sizes and both genders... it also keeps up with the modern trends including both genders wanting watches of such size.

Personally if the 124270 were released in 38mm I think that could be a contender for a perfect watch. Until then, I think the white OP39 comes closest to perfection, followed closely by the 214270.

[Newmoney]

No thanks.


I’m sooo glad I have enough when they release the 41 ( dj2 ain’t bad either )


The 36 looks nice and all but that’s a woman’s watch.

[Playinwittime]

Spot on OP! I couldn’t agree more.

[Maxy]

Actually to think, 38mm Datejust is not bad suggestion. Omega used to have 38.2 mm Seamasters and those were perfect everyday watches!

[JodyHighroller]

Originally Posted by Rags

A 36mm & 38mm could be worn by both men & women. If a 39.4 mm DJ is the perfect size watch then why was the Explorer reduced back to 36mm from 39mm.

I have a feeling a 41mm Exp I is coming to complement the 36.

[subtona]

Agree 100%

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Rags

I’m sorry but 38mm would still be better and would be a best seller for Rolex.

Umm, the 41mm DJs are sold out every where in every configuration, none on display in any color in the Dallas area, and most colors are allocation only.
Moral of the story, it's already a best seller. 39.5 and 38 is not much different and splitting hairs. There's a choice to be made between a 36 and 39.5, but not much in it between 36 and 38.

Rolex just gave it a name, that's all. Think like car manufacturers and their numbers, no relation to the engine or transmission or anything. The DJ41 is a 39mm watch, round up or down as necessary.

[robinmgb]

As we all know the DJ41 is 39mm so to me that’s the mans version.
I just think it’s time to call the 36mm the ladies version or at least unisex, certainly not a mans size watch anymore in my opinion

[Brew]

Originally Posted by robinmgb

As we all know the DJ41 is 39mm so to me that’s the mans version.
I just think it’s time to call the 36mm the ladies version or at least unisex, certainly not a mans size watch anymore in my opinion

Yes, and you never miss an opportunity to share this detail with us. Thanks again! [where’s the dummy hammer on this o/s?]


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[samson66]

Originally Posted by dannyp

I've seen that with the OP 41 and 34, but in that case it was still be measured to the bezel edges (should be the same no matter what as long as 6 hours apart), rather than the case edges.

I've measured it both ways and it's the same. For purposes of taking the picture I positioned it so the measurement could be seen while I took the picture.

It's kind of hard to tell due to the perspective but the tips of the caliper are down on the bulge of the sides of the case not on the bezel itself. It's angled slightly downward from top to bottom.

[Thuilln]

Originally Posted by Newmoney

No thanks.


I’m sooo glad I have enough when they release the 41 ( dj2 ain’t bad either )


The 36 looks nice and all but that’s a woman’s watch.

Of course.

[dannyp]

Originally Posted by samson66

I've measured it both ways and it's the same. For purposes of taking the picture I positioned it so the measurement could be seen while I took the picture.

It's kind of hard to tell due to the perspective but the tips of the caliper are down on the bulge of the sides of the case not on the bezel itself. It's angled slightly downward from top to bottom.

Now that you mention it, yes, I see what you're saying about the point of measurement. Not sure how the case is on the DJ41, but on my Explorer 36 the curvature of the case makes the widest part a bit lower (when looking crystal-to-case-back). However, due to the more tapered lugs on that watch, I believe that the bezel represents the widest part, as it sticks off the sides a bit (and caliper measurements clock that at 36, or just a shade below).

I also wonder if Rolex simply measures from 5:00-11:00 in order to justify the "41" moniker?

[samson66]

Originally Posted by dannyp

Now that you mention it, yes, I see what you're saying about the point of measurement. Not sure how the case is on the DJ41, but on my Explorer 36 the curvature of the case makes the widest part a bit lower (when looking crystal-to-case-back). However, due to the more tapered lugs on that watch, I believe that the bezel represents the widest part, as it sticks off the sides a bit (and caliper measurements clock that at 36, or just a shade below).

I also wonder if Rolex simply measures from 5:00-11:00 in order to justify the "41" moniker?

It's purely Rolex games. Before I bought this DJ41 I owned the DJII. That one was 41mm on the money. The watch I'm wearing as I type this is the SD43. Measures 43mm perfectly. The DJ41 and OP41 are just simply misrepresented by Rolex on purpose. As for why, only Rolex knows for sure but we can all guess at some of the reasons.

[DJTOSUB]

Originally Posted by samson66

Problem solved

Great picture.

Does anyone know if the DJ36 is actually 36mm or is it actually less like the DJ41?

[Kevin of Larchmont]

Nah, 36mm is perfect.

Fight me.

[Harry-57]

But would it really be a 38mm? Rolex seem to use different measuring equipment. Given that they tend to come out smaller than stated, I suspect the 36mm will be close enough.

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by TimeAZ

I'm quite small wristed and still enjoy the DJ41. As aptly illustrated by a helpful poster here, it measures 39.4 mm in diameter. Lug-to-lug is also manageable. Oddly, I find the current generation of 36mm DJ to be too small. Previous 116XXX series had a super case with wider lugs, lending to a larger wearing experience, felt/looked more like a 38.

Anyway, I think if given the option I would pick a 38mm watch over the 39.4mm of the DJ41. To me, 38mm is the perfect size and suitable for nearly all wrist sizes and both genders... it also keeps up with the modern trends including both genders wanting watches of such size.

Personally if the 124270 were released in 38mm I think that could be a contender for a perfect watch. Until then, I think the white OP39 comes closest to perfection, followed closely by the 214270.

100% agree with everything you said, including the previous-gen DJ and the OP39 and 214270. Spot on.

[Rags]

I love my 39mm OP and it’s the closest watch to a DJ without the date, If they made it an option to have a fluted bezel & a jubilee bracelet I would be content even though I’d love the date feature but I could do without it.

[Alcibiades]

DJ 41 with fluted bezel is perfect size - the fluted bezel makes the watch appear a bit bigger than it’s true 39.5 size. 36 is great as a unisex watch. Not sure why a 38mm is needed.

[Rags]

Originally Posted by Alcibiades

DJ 41 with fluted bezel is perfect size - the fluted bezel makes the watch appear a bit bigger than it’s true 39.5 size. 36 is great as a unisex watch. Not sure why a 38mm is needed.

I’m sorry but in my opinion a DJ at close to 40mm is just too big, to me it just doesn’t look right. I understand that Rolex is keeping up with the times by making their watches larger but if Tudor can make the Style model in 3-4 different sizes then why can’t Rolex make a DJ in 3-4 different sizes.

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by Alcibiades

DJ 41 with fluted bezel is perfect size - the fluted bezel makes the watch appear a bit bigger than it’s true 39.5 size. 36 is great as a unisex watch. Not sure why a 38mm is needed.

That's a matter of opinion, right? Surely you know we all don't agree. I personally don't like the fluted bezel on any Datejust - 36 or 41. The fact that it makes it appear larger is worse... in my opinion.