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[StevenMichael]

There is no crazy demand and different than before. At least I don’t believe so. In 2017 every dealer in Los Angeles was overflowing with nearly every model. Now zero? Demand never changed that much.

[xrole]

Originally Posted by StevenMichael

There is no crazy demand and different than before. At least I don’t believe so. In 2017 every dealer in Los Angeles was overflowing with nearly every model. Now zero? Demand never changed that much.

Of course demand can change dramatically in 5 years.

[DoricSpiker]

Originally Posted by StevenMichael

There is no crazy demand and different than before. At least I don’t believe so. In 2017 every dealer in Los Angeles was overflowing with nearly every model. Now zero? Demand never changed that much.

Demand has gone up a lot. Instagram bonus boys and reduction in supply due to Covid being the main factors. I will say however that dubious practices by AD’s has also gone up in the last 5 years! Combine all of those and you get to today.


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[theswedishway]

Originally Posted by StevenMichael

There is no crazy demand and different than before. At least I don’t believe so. In 2017 every dealer in Los Angeles was overflowing with nearly every model. Now zero? Demand never changed that much.

Great.

Then there is no problem for you to get the watch that you want?

Or you yet another conspiracy theory believer?

But what is true is that the true non sexual love for watches is dead and now they are merely objects for £££$$$€€€

[horseShu]

Sorry OP. First thing you asked about is a very in-demand stainless model. I think you immediately got tagged as a flipper and was brushed off.

[RolexSimon]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

This is exactly the case.

The AD simply doesn't want to be bothered with the OP.

They have many clients that have a relationship with and need to supply them with the watches. They simply don't have the bandwidth to handle any more inquiries, especially from new customers.

in this case they just want individuals, in the scenario that the OP posted about, to just go away, hence the "years" response.

I'm not sure that's the case. AP, FPJ, PP (OK some are less desirable and can be quick) and some rarer ALS - years is the norm these days. I think "years" for a BLRO is just simply true!!

[Stewart_88]

I registered my interest for a BLRO last September and was told 3 years. I have recently been told I can expect it beginning of the year. Purchase history was my airking

AD 2 who I got DJ and jewellery from is still saying within 3-5 years

[BumbleB]

Originally Posted by StevenMichael

I stopped by an AD in Los Angeles today. Completely empty display cases of course. I was talking to the employee about a steel GMT MASTER II. He said, “honestly it will be years before I can get you anything.” Years? Is it time to just give up on Rolex? What is reality here? It’s been like this for years already.

I think I’ve said this before on this forum, here are the options in my view:

1. If you plan to build a collection and are looking for a DD40 (however even these have become hard to get nowadays) and some TT DJ watches for your wife, this should get you your BLRO faster
2. I believe in the USA Rolex ADs also sell Jewellery, so perhaps you need an engagement ring or so, that could get you a BLRO faster
3. Maybe you know someone who’s a VIP and already has everything and is willing to help you out, that could get you a BLRO faster
4. If you really love the BLRO and only want that, you have to be willing to wait for years or go to a grey dealer and pay the premium for instant gratification.

This is the situation globally, no matter where you go.

If you’re looking to get a BLRO at MRSP because you want to feel good about having a watch at MRSP that’s worth double the price, you’re too late to the game. That train left the station late 2017 and it’s just getting worse, not better.


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[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

Absolutely perfect perfect response. An honest response indeed and I would feel the same way... Hold on.... Better yet, I would feel even more of that while putting on that hollow stamped tinny bracelet, that scratched 50 dollar aluminum bezel. Oh man, what can I say
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Talk about not making sense.

[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

They have many clients that have a relationship with and need to supply them with the watches.

When all the VIPS have the whole Rolex collection, do they still need more?

These people never wanted these watches 10 years ago and now they feel the need to own them all?

[brandrea]

Sad times for new enthusiasts.

[mattidk]

Impossible imagine there is 500+ in the "waiting" list for the GMT II, so they want to add one more entry for you and pick you in years - the AD must make this judgement for every single customer, so it's easier for them to say years or impossible depends on the AD policy to allow the so-call waiting list to be added or not. If not giving up so start to create relationship with that AD and see if you may get lucky.

[1William]

Such is the current situation.

[Jb1264]

Originally Posted by WatchNutcase

I think they're totally not worth the grey market prices, at that point just move up to Patek at retail.

I’ve been eyeing the Calatrava range in my grail shortlist
Circle back to Rolex watches later
I hope the Patek AD I choose will eventually help get the Rolex watches to add in my collection (BLNR is one)
We will see

[ddaly12]

The idea that there is a list at all is optimistic.

If the AD has a pool of 100 potential customers, who would they call when they get new supply in? The guy “next” in line? No, they are going to call customers who do lots of business, make jewelry purchases, etc. The guys that are a lock to buy whatever comes in. PM pieces, etc. I’d work my way down that “list” in terms of customer priority.

They may satisfy all those customers at some point, then get to you, but they may not. New big spenders may arrive, move up the list, and cut the line. VIPs get in first (or at all) because they buy overpriced bottles.

Hot clubs simply can’t let everyone in, there isn’t enough space / supply.


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[AEV]

They don't want new customers.
They probably can't serve the demand from the existing ones.
Sometimes I have heard ADs calling them ''the true fans of the brand''.

Look for a new AD preferably smaller market with less purchasing power.

[Token74]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Sad times for new enthusiasts.

I’m not so sure, maybe a great time for new enthusiasts, forcing them to explore other brands and open their minds.


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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Token74

I’m not so sure, maybe a great time for new enthusiasts, forcing them to explore other brands and open their minds.


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True. Should have said sad for Rolex enthusiasts

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[JackJoachim]

I’ve pretty much accepted that if I want but my first Rolex, I’ll be paying over sticker. Unless I find a rich uncle.

[PepsiBezel]

Originally Posted by WatchNutcase

Looking down at the 16710 would make me want to update even more

Yes… I’ve loved the 16710 for years, ever since I first got one in 2005. There is a lot of nostalgia, charm, and a certain aesthetic.

But, every now and then when I look down it looks a bit older, a bit more tired, a bit more worn… and then I look at the 126710 and think “Wow! What an awesome watch!!!”

[BumbleB]

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

When all the VIPS have the whole Rolex collection, do they still need more?

These people never wanted these watches 10 years ago and now they feel the need to own them all?

I believe it’s more about people that are known to the AD for buying Rolexes for themselves, from before the craziness started (late 2017?) so the AD knows they’re ‘true’ enthusiasts and not looking to flip it as soon as they walk out the door.

The ‘new’ (post end-2017) Rolex enthusiasts unfortunately have a hard time convincing ADs that they’re just buying it for themselves.


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[aw9nineteen]

I tried to create a relationship last year with an AD in PA and after a year nothing has come of it. Last year I moved to Nashville and went to the AD there. I had my RO on at the time so we had a conversation about watches. Exchanged some information and kept in touch. Over the weekend I got the text! Solid guy and we had a conversation about how he and the store doesn’t like to sell to flippers. He feels it’s unfair, but that we feed the market.


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[Unclebuck]

I gave up on Rolex a year ago. Still love to read about all kinds of watches. But simply look forward to buying other brands.

[strafer_kid]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

This is exactly the case.

The AD simply doesn't want to be bothered with the OP.

They have many clients that have a relationship with and need to supply them with the watches. They simply don't have the bandwidth to handle any more inquiries, especially from new customers.

in this case they just want individuals, in the scenario that the OP posted about, to just go away, hence the "years" response.

Sad reality but sums things up very well!

[Token74]

Originally Posted by brandrea

True. Should have said sad for Rolex enthusiasts

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[dandigangi]

Made a meme for us to unhappily laugh at

[WatchNutcase]

Originally Posted by Jb1264

I’ve been eyeing the Calatrava range in my grail shortlist
Circle back to Rolex watches later
I hope the Patek AD I choose will eventually help get the Rolex watches to add in my collection (BLNR is one)
We will see

Same here actually, there's a couple gems out there that are still relatively undiscovered.

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

Talk about not making sense.

There may be a language barrier for you, my guy. Be well.

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[frtorres87]

I think it all depends on the AD. I started a new relationship with a nee AD. My SA has been honest and has kept Great communication with me. After several purchases and 1 year I was able to get the call for my 2021 Pepsi. My SA knew that was the watch that was on the top of my list.


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[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

There may be a language barrier for you, my guy. Be well.

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Talk about not having class. I doubt there are any language issues. I simply disagree with the BS that has been coming out of your mouth. Thinking your GMT is the best and that an older GMT is a flimsy toy.