Asking price for a 15500st blue approaching 100k?

[GW44]

Originally Posted by ACWATCHES

The 15500 is an abomination compared to the jumbo

Care to enlarge on that statement please?

[ACWATCHES]

Originally Posted by GW44

Care to enlarge on that statement please?

Aside the size and thickness which makes it look cartoonish unless on huge wrists. The proportion bezel width to large empty dial, the pushed out date placement and minute tracker.

[GW44]

Originally Posted by ACWATCHES

Aside the size and thickness which makes it look cartoonish unless on huge wrists. The proportion bezel width to large empty dial, the pushed out date placement and minute tracker.

Ok, but any watch far too large for a small wrist looks all wrong i.e. the lugs over the edge of the wrist.

For "empty dial", read "clean, uncluttered" Depends on your frame of reference I guess. Plus the 15500 and Jumbo shouldn't really be compared in my view.....both fit a need and are great pieces.

[TunaTuna]

Originally Posted by 911AP

The only proper comparison to a 15202 is the 15300.

Really?

[ramenlover]

Originally Posted by 911AP

How can you compare the 15450 to a 15202? That's like people comparing the 15202 to a 15500. It's completely different. 37mm is too small the same way 41mm is too big. That's why 39mm is perfect. Not to mention the thinness of the watch is IMO the real value of that watch. The only proper comparison to a 15202 is the 15300.

15300 vs 15202? Comparing a standard production watch whose dial wasn’t even made in-house with a workhorse movement, to an icon with the 2121 and all the design cues of the original?

As any AP aficionado will tell you, the listed diameter means next to nothing – it’s all about proportions. The 26320, 15400, 15500 and 26239 wear very differently even though they’re all 41mm. Just because the 15300 is 39mm isn’t a good enough reason to compare it to a 15202. The only AP the 15202 can be compared to is the 5402, and now the 16202.

[KBM]

Originally Posted by EdwardC

If a 15202 has the second hand, that will be perfect. I prefer he 15450 for that reason

That and a quick set date.

[robbonds]

so what do we think the old ROC chrono is worth now? The blue dial boutique addition

$100k ?

[xjeeunitx]

Originally Posted by 911AP

So if the 15202 and 15500 blue dial are almost the same price what does that say about the 15202? Either the 15202 is undervalued or the 15500 is overvalued and gonna crash back down.

Neither are crashing back down - not anytime soon.

[xjeeunitx]

Originally Posted by DonLee

it certainly will after the 15500st discontinues soon.

it was just released in 2019? what makes you think 15500st will be discontinued? the releases of this year is only catching up to the updates of the 15500st (movement, dial, etc). i will say it this model won't change for at least a five years other than introduction of a new dial color (maybe, if that).

[xjeeunitx]

Originally Posted by ACWATCHES

The 15500 is an abomination compared to the jumbo

[xjeeunitx]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Forgive me, but "The Market Speaks" only applies when the market is not easily manipulated by ~10 grey dealers. This market is far too illiquid and opaque for it to actually speak.

Even if a few greys manipulate the market (still the market), the demand is there and not enough supply meaning watches are being sold as close to asking price... that basically tells you that "the market speaks"

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by xjeeunitx

Even if a few greys manipulate the market (still the market), the demand is there and not enough supply meaning watches are being sold as close to asking price... that basically tells you that "the market speaks"

[baamvino]

That is just crazy..

[vakman]

Prices for the Blue are crazy at the moment and i feel a lot is sold or deleted from chrono.

[karasus]

Originally Posted by ramenlover

15300 vs 15202? Comparing a standard production watch whose dial wasn’t even made in-house with a workhorse movement, to an icon with the 2121 and all the design cues of the original?

As any AP aficionado will tell you, the listed diameter means next to nothing – it’s all about proportions. The 26320, 15400, 15500 and 26239 wear very differently even though they’re all 41mm. Just because the 15300 is 39mm isn’t a good enough reason to compare it to a 15202. The only AP the 15202 can be compared to is the 5402, and now the 16202.

The 5402 dial was made in the same factory (stern creations) as early 15300.

The clasp of the 5402 was made by gay freres. I know I had a 5402 and you can google this.

The movement was made by JLC and shared between the Vacheron 222, 3700 nautilus and the 5402 RO. The JLC movement was a workhorse movement.

Nothing about the 5402 is "in house".

The 15300 is closer in spirit to the 5402, and than the 15202. The 15300 is an organic direct descendent of the 5402.

The 15202 is a zombie in a pretty dress resurrected by marketing departments.

Watch enthusiasts cringe at faux lume but nobody is cringing at dressed up faux vintage movements

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/in...guet-royal-oak

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/ju...wesome-super-t

I'm glad that the 16202 is out and that there is a modern movement in it.

[TunaTuna]

Originally Posted by xjeeunitx

it was just released in 2019? what makes you think 15500st will be discontinued? the releases of this year is only catching up to the updates of the 15500st (movement, dial, etc). i will say it this model won't change for at least a five years other than introduction of a new dial color (maybe, if that).

Miami boutique told me the 15500 is discontinued, will be 16500. Not sure what has changed, but many more releases still to come...

[stainwriststeel]

Originally Posted by TunaTuna

Miami boutique told me the 15500 is discontinued, will be 16500. Not sure what has changed, but many more releases still to come...

heard the same from a trusted grey dealer. hence the jump...

[Jgives]

If the 15500 is discontinued, it has a pretty short run, I’d guess the shortest of the iterations. Seems a bit strange to do so…

[EEpro]

Ahem, $120,000 today

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by TunaTuna

Miami boutique told me the 15500 is discontinued, will be 16500. Not sure what has changed, but many more releases still to come...

Interesting. There were multiple references to a more big news on April 15 in the articles on this week's releases. As the SS/YG/RO Jumbo, 38 and 41mm ROC and 15550 already had their day in the sun, it seems the long rumored/wished for ceramic brethren to the 77350CE and updates to the 15500 are natural candidates.

[EdwardC]

To discontinue 15500 in such a short run is a bit crazy thought...But what's not crazy in the market now

[Vince_76]

Originally Posted by TunaTuna

Miami boutique told me the 15500 is discontinued, will be 16500. Not sure what has changed, but many more releases still to come...

No way. When will it be released?

[CactusTreeFiddy]

Takuya just listed a blue dial 15500st for over $120k

[denmanproject]

4-5 years ago I had a tough time selling my 15400 black for $15k lol

[NYG1121]

Originally Posted by CactusTreeFiddy

Takuya just listed a blue dial 15500st for over $120k

Pure madness

[EEpro]

Well the movement alone is worth $50,000 and each link is worth $6,108 so it actually makes sense.

[Jgives]

Originally Posted by CactusTreeFiddy

Takuya just listed a blue dial 15500st for over $120k

I thought this was BS but checked and it’s accurate. Funny enough, I bought a Carter Santos from Takuya today because my other watch, a black dial 15500 that I bought from him 2 years ago, is getting a bit too pricey to casually walk around with. Pretty stoked with my new purchase which I feel is a sleeper.. 💤 😴
Takuya by all measures is gold IMO.

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by denmanproject

4-5 years ago I had a tough time selling my 15400 black for $15k lol

the times they are a-changin'

[gregouille]

Haha I just saw a 15202st at 200k$…

[CAWatchLove]

The black, white & grey dials will be 100k soon. Blue will be 120k.
Makes complete sense as it’s nicer than the 5711 in terms of finishing, bracelet, craftsmanship, movement display. And AP makes LESS than Patek every year.
Remember guys, Patek scrambled for a Genta design 4 years AFTER the Royal Oak. Historically speaking Royal Oak came first and started it all