[question] Rolex Kermit 16610lv

[10klakes]

I had the same question when I was considering the 16610LV. I ended up without the flat-four, and with no regret. I wear mine regularly, and the bezel is going to take the brunt end of the scratches and dings. If it’s going to be a safe queen, flat-four all the way, to wear?… flat four isn’t necessary, or swap the bezel as suggested above.

[IamJacky]

Although I understand the sentiment behind collecting a Fat 4, I personally don't feel like spending that extra margin for it; I actually prefer the later M and Z serials with rehaut engravings.

[omar-rye]

What’s the price difference between the two?

[springer]

Originally Posted by watchpat

Hi everyone, I am looking to add a new piece to my collection and I am looking at the Rolex Kermit 16610lv. However, I am not sure if I can justify the difference in price between a regular one and a fat four.
Which one would you recommend and why?
Thanks in advance.

I believe you meant the "flat 4" which is the early version of the 16610LV.

jP

[springer]

Originally Posted by Loevhagen

Flat 4 for a 16610LV is like "Stick Dial" is for a 16710 is like an APH-dial is for a 116520 -> Meaningless details hyped by market.

Isn't the small details and variances what makes collectables collectable. It is what collectors love and hype.

[springer]

Originally Posted by LFFL

Here are both pictured for context. I wouldn't mind the sharper '4', esp if cost was significantly less

It is called a pointed 4. Bob is confused as usual.

[csaltphoto]

Something to keep in mind as well is that if the bezel is damaged there is no guarantee you will get a flat four service bezel from Rolex. Rolex doesn't pay any attention to this stuff. You will get whatever is in the parts bin.

[loupe]

Originally Posted by springer

It is called a pointed 4. Bob is confused as usual.

What is the Mk number of this dial with flat 4 and dial configuration with round O?
I have the same but there’s not many about.
Thanks!

Edit. Sorry. Originally posted by LFFL.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by csaltphoto

Something to keep in mind as well is that if the bezel is damaged there is no guarantee you will get a flat four service bezel from Rolex. Rolex doesn't pay any attention to this stuff. You will get whatever is in the parts bin.

True enough, but Rolex are doing flat 4 Bezel inserts again as the odd one is reportedly cropping up with a Rolex service.
From memory, the shade of green or the surface appearance of the anodizing is not quite the same as the originals
Still quite passable though and still genuine

[MR.SEBS]

I think the flat four is a bit over priced. Right now you can pick up a nice LV watch only for 16-17k, I love mine.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by crazycarlitos

Huh?

My point was that flat4 doesn’t make it a LV. Lol

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as well.
There are a number of factors to take into consideration when one is playing in this space.
If one fully appreciates a certain patina including faded Bezel inserts from sun bleaching or exposure to Chlorine in swimming pools then so be it.
The Kermit as a stand alone watch reference has elevated way above the regular Sub of the day and absolutely everything is on the table in that regard.

[crazycarlitos]

Originally Posted by Dirt

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as well.
There are a number of factors to take into consideration when one is playing in this space.
If one fully appreciates a certain patina including faded Bezel inserts from sun bleaching or exposure to Chlorine in swimming pools then so be it.
The Kermit as a stand alone watch reference has elevated way above the regular Sub of the day and absolutely everything is on the table in that regard.

Dude stop smoking whatever u r smoking. U can’t handle it obviously.

No one mentioned aluminum bezel insert and it’s fading characteristic

This is strictly about flat4 vs non-flat4, both aluminum bezel inserts.

Stop quoting me when u don’t even read my actual posts

In fact, don’t even read or respond my to my posts
And I will return the favor.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by crazycarlitos

Dude stop smoking whatever u r smoking. U can’t handle it obviously.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Nashville Watch Guru

Here is the best possible explanation of all of the differences. https://www.watchclub.com/curated-by...ry-sub-decoded

Many thanks for the link; very interesting comparison.

Originally Posted by springer

Isn't the small details and variances what makes collectables collectable. It is what collectors love and hype.

Exactly.

[LFFL]

Originally Posted by springer

It is called a pointed 4. Bob is confused as usual.

stickler police roaming the threads of TRF again, classic

[Ten Ten & 32]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

Flat 4 is worth the premium…. It’s the first and real anniversary sub….

Flat 4 means nothing in isolation.

Anyone could add a flat 4 insert to say an M serial watch - doesn’t make it a ‘first & real anniversary sub’ as you say

Serial number as well as other items such as the correct font on he dial along with a flat 4 insert are all equally as important.

Either without the others means nothing


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[wgdaytona]

Flat for safe queen, regular for wearing. I wear mine regularly, so it's a regular 4. FYI: since I wear it, I added an SEL bracelet for super comfort.

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by RazorD

I have a “regular” LV and love it. Do I wish it was a flat 4? Sure, but not at the current premium charged. If you plan to wear it, I say go with a later version and enjoy the heck out of it.

Me too. It’s just sick




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[amphr1]

To someone who doesn't care, sound like much about nothing like the dot over 90 in Omega

[Andad]

Originally Posted by amphora001

To someone who doesn't care, sound like much about nothing like the dot over 90 in Omega

If that is your attitude I doubt you will find much of interest on TRF?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by LFFL

stickler police roaming the threads of TRF again, classic

Judgemental, content-free, and inacceptable post aggressing 'Springer' who is one of the best contributor and expert on this forum.

[subtona]

Never found appreciation for the minor bezel difference.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by crazycarlitos

Dude stop smoking whatever u r smoking. U can’t handle it obviously.

No one mentioned aluminum bezel insert and it’s fading characteristic

This is strictly about flat4 vs non-flat4, both aluminum bezel inserts.

Stop quoting me when u don’t even read my actual posts

In fact, don’t even read or respond my to my posts
And I will return the favor.

You're obviously triggered by something or simply having a bad day.

So we are clear. I'll stop quoting you if you stop quoting me, and could you please refrain from telling me what I can or cannot do.
I believe you should consider refraining from any further attempts to cast aspersions on my character as it may constitute a breach of the rules.
I believe I have never done anything like that to you on the forum

You may not like what I post or the way I may go about it, or you may disagree with my thoughts, but that's all to be expected from time to time.
I put it to you, there's really no need to get personal.
It brings the thread and this forum down to the gutter level.

Sir, do feel free to ignore any of my future posts.
Thank you kindly

[GBcrypto]

I would rather the flat 4. I like to collect the 1st version and last versions of references. So for me the flat 4 is important.


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[Dirt]

Originally Posted by GBcrypto

I would rather the flat 4. I like to collect the 1st version and last versions of references. So for me the flat 4 is important.


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Agreed.
Even though the "flat 4" is the easiest and most obvious identifier of the earliest release. It is a poor identifier in that the insert can be changed to a "pointed 4" if damaged.
The dial variant is visually more conclusive

The Bezel insert is definately the icing on the cake from a collectors point of view or even for those who are deeply into the details and where the highest value is in the market.

[AlbionJackal]

I wouldn't pay the extra... it's a great watch regardless of the Fat Four.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by csaltphoto

Something to keep in mind as well is that if the bezel is damaged there is no guarantee you will get a flat four service bezel from Rolex. Rolex doesn't pay any attention to this stuff. You will get whatever is in the parts bin.

Well there have been a few reports on forum when they sent there 16610LV in for RSC service they had a original point font insert. When returned they had a flat four font insert but slightly different colour green from original,so buyers take note make sure if buying a 16610LV its got all the correct paperwork..

[George58]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well there have been a few reports on forum when they sent there 16610LV in for RSC service they had a original point font insert. When returned they had a flat four font insert but slightly different colour green from original,so buyers take note make sure if buying a 16610LV its got all the correct paperwork..

+1 it's all about the paper work with that ref

[Snaponmyrolex]

Originally Posted by Tools

If you can actually find a decent early serial, flat 4 insert, oval O, etc., you would not be wearing it for fear of damaging any of those parts. They only cover the first year or so.



If you just want an LV, there are plenty of the later years around that you can wear without gasping every time you hit a door knob.

Well I'm at work with this on my wrist today...

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[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Snaponmyrolex

Well I'm at work with this on my wrist today...

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Beautiful
I'm having flashbacks of mine now.