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Old 3 August 2022, 01:17 PM   #31
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I have a couple of tuxedos and half a dozen formal shirts. Don’t get me started on the shoes and two hand watches on black leather straps. Stubbs and Wooten and a vintage Omega work perfectly.

I still like formal dress.

The ability to tie a silk bow tie properly is why we have opposable thumbs!!
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Old 3 August 2022, 01:25 PM   #32
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I own a tux. Have worn it about 10 times in the past 5 years maybe. I don’t wear a vest or cummerbund. I wear normal black leather Oxfords from Crockett & Jones with them — I do not wear the patent leather.
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Old 3 August 2022, 04:39 PM   #33
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I think, if the Duke of Cambridge can dress up like this:



then the traditional watches' dress code for a tux became a little bit old fashioned. Just for fun, although the Ming watches are too big for this purpose, but I think their style could be treated as the modern dress watch making.
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Old 3 August 2022, 11:11 PM   #34
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I think, if the Duke of Cambridge can dress up like this:



then the traditional watches' dress code for a tux became a little bit old fashioned. Just for fun, although the Ming watches are too big for this purpose, but I think their style could be treated as the modern dress watch making.

His family members should take notes from him, I think this is the edgiest thing I've heard of him doing in quite some time
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Old 3 August 2022, 11:34 PM   #35
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ive been to 3 my entire life (age 33 currently), and I had to throw one of them myself lol
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Old 4 August 2022, 12:50 AM   #36
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No surprise here, but I've never been to one.
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Old 4 August 2022, 12:54 AM   #37
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Thanks guys

Will investigate M&S - good shout

I’m also starting a new job on Monday / 3 months in town so will pop out to a few shops to see what’s what. I see Slaters are advertising trousers/ jacket for £85. Could live with that & hopefully a shirt/ bow tie not much more.

It’s a one off but I guess - I can stick it in a suit carrier & put in the back of the wardrobe. If I use one more time - it’ll have paid for itself v renting
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Old 4 August 2022, 12:55 AM   #38
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No surprise here, but I've never been to one.
Same. I don’t mind, I’ve never felt comfortable in a penguin suit anyway
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Old 4 August 2022, 01:19 AM   #39
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Same. I don’t mind, I’ve never felt comfortable in a penguin suit anyway
Never been a mover and a shaker so somehow my invitations are all lost in the mail I guess.

After photographing around 500 weddings, my experience with a tux was wedding party, and limo drivers wearing them.
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Never been a mover and a shaker so somehow my invitations are all lost in the mail I guess.



After photographing around 500 weddings, my experience with a tux was wedding party, and limo drivers wearing them.
Now that I think about it ... I did wear a very stylish silver gray tux with a pink cummerbund to match my bridesmaid

That was my brother's first wedding in about 1985.

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Old 4 August 2022, 01:31 AM   #41
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now that i think about it ... I did wear a very stylish silver gray tux with a pink cummerbund to match my bridesmaid

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No surprise here, but I've never been to one.

Me either. Much too high class for this guy.


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Old 4 August 2022, 10:19 AM   #43
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I have to attend about three a year, usually two for work and one for a fundraiser.

For that reason, I bought a nice custom tux and shirt - total cost was about $1k USD.
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Old 4 August 2022, 10:22 AM   #44
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I own a tux. Have worn it about 10 times in the past 5 years maybe. I don’t wear a vest or cummerbund. I wear normal black leather Oxfords from Crockett & Jones with them — I do not wear the patent leather.
Great points - patent leather is not in style anymore. Sometimes I wear a bowtie, but usually just a solid black tie.
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Old 4 August 2022, 10:31 AM   #45
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Great points - patent leather is not in style anymore. Sometimes I wear a bowtie, but usually just a solid black tie.

An article from esquire in March of this year seems to disagree. Many of the 20 they name are patent leather.


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An article from esquire in March of this year seems to disagree. Many of the 20 they name are patent leather.


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It’s possible the fashion has changed and what’s old is new, but I wouldn’t take my cues from Esquire magazine
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It’s possible the fashion has changed and what’s old is new, but I wouldn’t take my cues from Esquire magazine

I don’t take my personal cues from anywhere except what I feel I want to wear and what I like. That being said, when it was stated patent leather shoes were not in style anymore I decided to look it up. According to the article I mentioned which, I didn’t agree with all their choices, patent leather is still a thing.

There’s many things in fashion I wouldn’t be caught dead in. Doesn’t mean they’re not in fashion or I agree with them.


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Old 4 August 2022, 11:26 AM   #49
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I don’t take my personal cues from anywhere except what I feel I want to wear and what I like. That being said, when it was stated patent leather shoes were not in style anymore I decided to look it up. According to the article I mentioned which, I didn’t agree with all their choices, patent leather is still a thing.

There’s many things in fashion I wouldn’t be caught dead in. Doesn’t mean they’re not in fashion or I agree with them.


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I don’t think that type of online article carries much weight. If I go to some super rich kid’s wedding, and hardly anybody there is wearing patent leather, I figure it’s out of style. Why would some writer at Esquire have their finger more on the pulse than the most connected people on earth?

Those articles are a way to generate revenue, not a serious comment on what’s in style. Typically there are links to purchase the item described, which feeds a small fee back to website

All that said, patent leather is still a thing and it’s still acceptable to wear it with a tuxedo. I’ve never been to a black tie event where nobody did.
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The dialogue about what is in fashion is more interesting to me than fashion itself. The conceit of classic menswear is that it is permanently stylish, impervious to shifts in modern taste. But of course even aspects of the classics drift in and out of taste for the much smaller group of classic menswear connoisseurs/nerds. Outside of that subculture, and in increasingly more formal settings, ‘dressing up’ is considered quaint. Suspenders are virtually extinct; ties invite a grilling from amused colleagues you grow to hate; pocket squares are ostentatious; and I’m sure patent leather shoes are outmoded too. But do we really want to follow the badly dressed rabble on all of this? Up to each of us, but I don’t.

(That said, I reckon some freshly shined non-patent, calf Crockett and Jones Oxfords would look very dapper and passable even to the worst sticklers for etiquette.)
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Men's fashion has become far more flamboyant today than even 5 years ago. Look at the success of brands like Gucci.

That said I think patent leather pumps are a classic shoe for black tie. These Gaziano & Girlings are probably perfect:

https://www.gazianogirling.com/evening-collection/
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I don’t take my personal cues from anywhere except what I feel I want to wear and what I like. That being said, when it was stated patent leather shoes were not in style anymore I decided to look it up. According to the article I mentioned which, I didn’t agree with all their choices, patent leather is still a thing.

There’s many things in fashion I wouldn’t be caught dead in. Doesn’t mean they’re not in fashion or I agree with them.


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Patent leather is still a thing, but not terribly elegant or comfortable. A nice whole cut oxford, well shined, is understated elegance for any age group.
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Used to go to black-tie event 3-5 times a year. Still have a few tuxedos but haven't worn one in several years.
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I could have bet my pension that this would turn into can I wear my Sub with a Tux!!!! Never, ever fails!!!! Officers wear Tuxes at many Lodge events, so I've always owner one for the past several decades. By the time you rent one 2X, you can buy one. As for wearing a watch with a Tux, I wear a dress watch under my cuff above the wrist bone, nobody sees it. As for pulling out a phone at a formal event, I think it's rude. If you have kids at the sitter, the wife can usually keep hers in her purse, excuse herself from the table, and check in case of an emergency. But to sit and yak on a phone at the table, tells the people that you're seated with that they're less important than the nonsensical call.
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At my sister's wedding in 1976, at 9 years old, I wore a brown tux, tan ruffled shirt and bow tie. Of course, that was the 70's.
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At my sister's wedding in 1976, at 9 years old, I wore a brown tux, tan ruffled shirt and bow tie. Of course, that was the 70's.
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Ya know, that explains A LOT about....
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The dialogue about what is in fashion is more interesting to me than fashion itself. The conceit of classic menswear is that it is permanently stylish, impervious to shifts in modern taste. But of course even aspects of the classics drift in and out of taste for the much smaller group of classic menswear connoisseurs/nerds. Outside of that subculture, and in increasingly more formal settings, ‘dressing up’ is considered quaint. Suspenders are virtually extinct; ties invite a grilling from amused colleagues you grow to hate; pocket squares are ostentatious; and I’m sure patent leather shoes are outmoded too. But do we really want to follow the badly dressed rabble on all of this? Up to each of us, but I don’t.

(That said, I reckon some freshly shined non-patent, calf Crockett and Jones Oxfords would look very dapper and passable even to the worst sticklers for etiquette.)
The real controversy here is sockless loafers and slippers. That’s gotten more and more common for men of all ages here to pair with a tuxedo
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What’s wrong with you guys that don’t like to dress up on occasion? I wear my tux every chance I get!
I like where your head's at! I don't wear one often, but I do enjoy wearing different types of attire and events.
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The real controversy here is sockless loafers and slippers. That’s gotten more and more common for men of all ages here to pair with a tuxedo
The real controversy is no trouser break. The inch of skin above the shoe makes no sense at all.
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