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Devildog · 24 August 2022, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bizcut1

I’d like to see someplace other than this Forum discussing this.

I can’t find it. Please post if you have.

I don't think he's posted for a while but SearChart (who works in a Rolex RSC) has confirmed that there is a known problem - particularly with early production having insufficient lubrication on the seconds wheel pivot.

What is concerning is that more recent movements and those early ones that have been "fixed" under warranty or at service have also exhibited the same issue.

This is not just a "forum issue" unfortunately

Kinnakeet · 24 August 2022, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devildog

I don't think he's posted for a while but SearChart (who works in a Rolex RSC) has confirmed that there is a known problem - particularly with early production having insufficient lubrication on the seconds wheel pivot.

What is concerning is that more recent movements and those early ones that have been "fixed" under warranty or at service have also exhibited the same issue.

This is not just a "forum issue" unfortunately

Are you for certain he works in a Rolex RSC?

brandrea · 24 August 2022, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devildog

I don't think he's posted for a while but SearChart (who works in a Rolex RSC) has confirmed that there is a known problem - particularly with early production having insufficient lubrication on the seconds wheel pivot.

What is concerning is that more recent movements and those early ones that have been "fixed" under warranty or at service have also exhibited the same issue.

This is not just a "forum issue" unfortunately

So putting the same question to you Scott, are you a buyer if your AD calls with a BLRO or another 32xx movement?

I think it’s a valid question by the OP

I’m honestly a bit skeptical of some of those who say they won’t touch them

Exracer1985 · 24 August 2022, 04:01 AM

After reading these posts about holding you back from purchasing and others regarding time loss, didn’t stop me.
I recently bought an SD 126603 from my AD two weeks ago as my everyday watch.
I’ve been checking the time and it has gained about 10 seconds in 14 days. I’m good with that and I believe within specs. However time will tell.
I’ve sort of retired my 6265 Daytona that I have worn for 46 years everyday except in the shower. Now that one ran fast too but I was never late for an appointment. If my SD can deliver that performance my young wife will be happy.😀
I suggest go for it. You only live once.

DJ2020 · 24 August 2022, 04:21 AM

I think it's a roll if the dice really. If you get a good one, It's good. If not..... well.

My DJ2 was 3235 equipt with nary a problem..... ever. (2017) My two newest Rolex's was in late 2020. Both absolutely refused to keep time.

Needless to say I was disappointed. But understood these things happen. Do I think there a good movement? well they are accurate when running, just not completely dependable at this point across the board.

I have a long time friend who is a Rolex watchmaker. He still tells me they are still trying to sort things out. With many being returned for warranty work. Around 32% of their sales. Some are addressed the first time in, Some can't seemed to be corrected. My local Rolex AD watchmaker says the same.

Now they are replacing anything they "think" may be related and reporting back to the factory along with the used parts for analysis.

He did say Rolex wants to make it right and are very much involved. So I'm sure things will sort out in the long run.

Will this stop me from buying another? Doubt it. There is one I'm still wanting to get. And most likely will buy it when the time comes (after retirement). Until then I'm enjoying other brands.

padi56 · 25 August 2022, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by brandrea

So putting the same question to you Scott, are you a buyer if your AD calls with a BLRO or another 32xx movement?

I think it’s a valid question by the OP

I’m honestly a bit skeptical of some of those who say they won’t touch them

Have to agree Brian.

CHRONOLEX · 23 August 2022, 01:08 PM

There would seem to be millions of these examples if essentially every non-Daytona last 5 years is afflicted

CHRONOLEX · 23 August 2022, 01:09 PM

I decided to get the new Sub Date tomorrow

TswaneNguni · 24 August 2022, 04:46 AM

I think the 32xxs are damn duds ,but own the following:

124060
126610LN
126610LV
126710BLNR
126619LB
126719 Meteorite

Go figure ! ...

Solo118 · 24 August 2022, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

I think the 32xxs are damn duds ,but own the following:

124060
126610LN
126610LV
126710BLNR
126619LB
126719 Meteorite

Go figure ! ...

Since you are calling them duds, can you advise which of your six pieces have had any issues?

brandrea · 24 August 2022, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

I think the 32xxs are damn duds ,but own the following:

124060
126610LN
126610LV
126710BLNR
126619LB
126719 Meteorite

Go figure ! ...

Makes complete sense

Bizcut1 · 23 August 2022, 01:39 PM

Thanks

Kevin of Larchmont · 23 August 2022, 01:43 PM

No hesitation at all. Have owned two with no problems and a plan is in place for another. If a problem manifests the AD will deal with it. While some issues have been clearly documented the odds are by far in my favor.

kyleg531 · 23 August 2022, 01:54 PM

Looking for a 32 series Sub as we speak. FWIW, had a 31 series sub that stopped running after 2 months of ownership (purchased new). Second hand “caught” on the 5 second mark. Have also had Omega PO with consistent issues.

Own enough watches and you run into things. Seems like the 32 series has its share of issues, but imagine Rolex has/will address. Nothing is bullet proof at high enough production scale.

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CHRONOLEX · 23 August 2022, 02:33 PM

Well this is interesting. My dealer generously loaned me a new Sub to try out on rubber this weekend while I decided if I wanted to buy one NIB. This “loaner” has already lost 5 seconds from 24 hours ago.

amanbra · 23 August 2022, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CHRONOLEX

Well this is interesting. My dealer generously loaned me a new Sub to try out on rubber this weekend while I decided if I wanted to buy one NIB. This “loaner” has already lost 5 seconds from 24 hours ago.

yikes.... you don't happen to have access to a timegrapher do ya? What year is the BNIB sub?

CHRONOLEX · 23 August 2022, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by amanbra

yikes.... you don't happen to have access to a timegrapher do ya? What year is the BNIB sub?

I don’t know what year this one is, but he sized it and let me wear it for the weekend. I actually only wore it for an hour and put it away once I was certain I wanted one. However after I read all of this horror last night I gave it a full wind and laid it down to test performance. This -5 overnight is not good. I thought all the 32 canaries said it took 18 months to show up?! Mine is NIB at shop and I think 2022 but need to confirm tomorrow.

subprimero · 23 August 2022, 02:41 PM

The only current Rolex model I have any interest in is the Sky-Dweller. Rolex references with the 32xx movements are a no-go for me.

CHRONOLEX · 23 August 2022, 02:44 PM

I guess this means all DD40s are afflicted? Wow

Bizcut1 · 23 August 2022, 03:02 PM

I think you should turn the new Sub down. It will only take them about five minutes to sell it to someone else so no harm done and that someone will be very happy.

Make sure to explain to them why you don’t want it.

That should go well. I’m sure they will be happy to get you another.

CHRONOLEX · 23 August 2022, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bizcut1

I think you should turn the new Sub down. It will only take them about five minutes to sell it to someone else so no harm done and that someone will be very happy.

Make sure to explain to them why you don’t want it.

That should go well. I’m sure they will be happy to get you another.

You think I should turn down the new one and find a 3135 Sub? Really want to have one to wear on rubber.

amanbra · 23 August 2022, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHRONOLEX

You think I should turn down the new one and find a 3135 Sub? Really want to have one to wear on rubber.

This is what I would do if I were in the market for sub. I'd even considering going five digit as I prefer the case shape on them vs the fat lugs.

joli160 · 23 August 2022, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CHRONOLEX

You think I should turn down the new one and find a 3135 Sub? Really want to have one to wear on rubber.

You should buy the one you like regardless of the movement.
It’s only a watch and if it start loosing some time what does it matter.
About once a week I set mine ahead a good 5 minutes and half way the week I am spot on.

Personally I opt for the previous version 116610. I prefer the blockier case which many seem to dislike and the more reliable engine is a nice plus.

brandrea · 23 August 2022, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joli160

You should buy the one you like regardless of the movement.
It’s only a watch and if it start loosing some time what does it matter.
About once a week I set mine ahead a good 5 minutes and half way the week I am spot on.

Personally I opt for the previous version 116610. I prefer the blockier case which many seem to dislike and the more reliable engine is a nice plus.

Real world user common sense.

I’ve never missed an appointment, a flight, a train and the list goes on. That’s using 32xx movements from Rolex with the oldest reference being a 2017

padi56 · 24 August 2022, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandrea

Real world user common sense.

I’ve never missed an appointment, a flight, a train and the list goes on. That’s using 32xx movements from Rolex with the oldest reference being a 2017

Afraid common sense is sadly lacking today Brian, wonder how many 32 series movements today are in the world today.The majority of them loved by there owners ,mainly because without the aid of timegraphers and the rest of today's Rolex toys.

Bizcut1 · 24 August 2022, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHRONOLEX

You think I should turn down the new one and find a 3135 Sub? Really want to have one to wear on rubber.

Dude, sorry. I was being sarcastic.

Go get your sub.

Don’t tell them a small group of posters on an Internet watch forum dissuaded you.

Enjoy your watch!

Ben

Doood · 23 August 2022, 03:27 PM

I would really like an SD43. Or even a TT SD43. Or maybe both….can’t make up my mind. But even if this issue affects only a small percentage, I am just not ready to roll the dice. Sigh….

Always loved the polar exp 2. Went out of my way to pick up a 216570 in 2020 before the new movement was introduced. I have the best AD, by the way, who made this happen, and I was very open with him about my strategy (or paranoia).

I just don’t want to spend energy going through the warranty process. Could I have issues with one of my 31xx series movements? Of course, but really want to manage my risk.

I also believe most 32xx owners wouldn’t notice a slowing movement, so my guess is the problem is more widespread than being reported. I am very disappointed by the way Rolex has been managing this issue.

saxo3 · 23 August 2022, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHRONOLEX

Question: is this 32xx issue preventing or causing anyone to hold off from buying new watches right now?

Yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHRONOLEX

If so, how do we know when problem has been resolved and it’s safe to buy again?

No chance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doood

I also believe most 32xx owners wouldn’t notice a slowing movement, so my guess is the problem is more widespread than being reported.

Yes, very likely, but impossible to verify.

Harry-57 · 23 August 2022, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doood

I just don’t want to spend energy going through the warranty process.

That would be a pain but at least it offers protection. My worry is what happens if the watch starts to fail at six years old? That's not a warranty fix. When it comes back from the RSC with a two year warranty, what happens if it develops more issues two and a half years later? I don't want a watch that needs servicing every 2-3 years. Then again, it could run for 20 years. We just don't know, but the 32 based movement appears to be gaining a poor reputation.

Doood · 24 August 2022, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry-57

That would be a pain but at least it offers protection. My worry is what happens if the watch starts to fail at six years old? That's not a warranty fix. When it comes back from the RSC with a two year warranty, what happens if it develops more issues two and a half years later? I don't want a watch that needs servicing every 2-3 years. Then again, it could run for 20 years. We just don't know, but the 32 based movement appears to be gaining a poor reputation.

Yes, this exactly. I keep hearing, “I have five years.” Well, if you bought an SD43 in 2017, times up, and not convinced the fix is in yet.

24 August 2022, 04:21 AM	#5
DJ2020 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Real Name: Wayne Location: NC Watch: 226570 Posts: 3,484	I think it's a roll if the dice really. If you get a good one, It's good. If not..... well. My DJ2 was 3235 equipt with nary a problem..... ever. (2017) My two newest Rolex's was in late 2020. Both absolutely refused to keep time. Needless to say I was disappointed. But understood these things happen. Do I think there a good movement? well they are accurate when running, just not completely dependable at this point across the board. I have a long time friend who is a Rolex watchmaker. He still tells me they are still trying to sort things out. With many being returned for warranty work. Around 32% of their sales. Some are addressed the first time in, Some can't seemed to be corrected. My local Rolex AD watchmaker says the same. Now they are replacing anything they "think" may be related and reporting back to the factory along with the used parts for analysis. He did say Rolex wants to make it right and are very much involved. So I'm sure things will sort out in the long run. Will this stop me from buying another? Doubt it. There is one I'm still wanting to get. And most likely will buy it when the time comes (after retirement). Until then I'm enjoying other brands. __________________ In the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years. - Abraham Lincoln __________________________________________________ Rolex 226570, Explorer II Club

24 August 2022, 04:01 AM	#4
Exracer1985 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: California Posts: 34	After reading these posts about holding you back from purchasing and others regarding time loss, didn’t stop me. I recently bought an SD 126603 from my AD two weeks ago as my everyday watch. I’ve been checking the time and it has gained about 10 seconds in 14 days. I’m good with that and I believe within specs. However time will tell. I’ve sort of retired my 6265 Daytona that I have worn for 46 years everyday except in the shower. Now that one ran fast too but I was never late for an appointment. If my SD can deliver that performance my young wife will be happy.😀 I suggest go for it. You only live once.

23 August 2022, 01:08 PM	#7
CHRONOLEX 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,629	There would seem to be millions of these examples if essentially every non-Daytona last 5 years is afflicted

23 August 2022, 01:09 PM	#8
CHRONOLEX 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,629	I decided to get the new Sub Date tomorrow

24 August 2022, 04:46 AM	#9
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,609	I think the 32xxs are damn duds ,but own the following: 124060 126610LN 126610LV 126710BLNR 126619LB 126719 Meteorite Go figure ! ...

23 August 2022, 01:39 PM	#12
Bizcut1 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Real Name: Ben Location: Valley of the Sun Watch: 126331 126610 3861 Posts: 3,253	Thanks

23 August 2022, 01:43 PM	#13
Kevin of Larchmont 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: The Ice House Watch: Ingersoll Mickey Posts: 3,393	No hesitation at all. Have owned two with no problems and a plan is in place for another. If a problem manifests the AD will deal with it. While some issues have been clearly documented the odds are by far in my favor.

23 August 2022, 01:54 PM	#14
kyleg531 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: USA Posts: 21	Looking for a 32 series Sub as we speak. FWIW, had a 31 series sub that stopped running after 2 months of ownership (purchased new). Second hand “caught” on the 5 second mark. Have also had Omega PO with consistent issues. Own enough watches and you run into things. Seems like the 32 series has its share of issues, but imagine Rolex has/will address. Nothing is bullet proof at high enough production scale. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

23 August 2022, 02:33 PM	#15
CHRONOLEX 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,629	Well this is interesting. My dealer generously loaned me a new Sub to try out on rubber this weekend while I decided if I wanted to buy one NIB. This “loaner” has already lost 5 seconds from 24 hours ago.

23 August 2022, 02:41 PM	#18
subprimero "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: John Location: Texas Watch: 14060 Posts: 3,434	The only current Rolex model I have any interest in is the Sky-Dweller. Rolex references with the 32xx movements are a no-go for me.

23 August 2022, 02:44 PM	#19
CHRONOLEX 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USA Posts: 1,629	I guess this means all DD40s are afflicted? Wow

23 August 2022, 03:02 PM	#20
Bizcut1 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Real Name: Ben Location: Valley of the Sun Watch: 126331 126610 3861 Posts: 3,253	I think you should turn the new Sub down. It will only take them about five minutes to sell it to someone else so no harm done and that someone will be very happy. Make sure to explain to them why you don’t want it. That should go well. I’m sure they will be happy to get you another.

23 August 2022, 03:27 PM	#27
Doood "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Socal Posts: 1,027	I would really like an SD43. Or even a TT SD43. Or maybe both….can’t make up my mind. But even if this issue affects only a small percentage, I am just not ready to roll the dice. Sigh…. Always loved the polar exp 2. Went out of my way to pick up a 216570 in 2020 before the new movement was introduced. I have the best AD, by the way, who made this happen, and I was very open with him about my strategy (or paranoia). I just don’t want to spend energy going through the warranty process. Could I have issues with one of my 31xx series movements? Of course, but really want to manage my risk. I also believe most 32xx owners wouldn’t notice a slowing movement, so my guess is the problem is more widespread than being reported. I am very disappointed by the way Rolex has been managing this issue.

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