Should I not buy? What would you do?

[Jack T]

Regardless of whether it was a mistake or not, I would not buy it, nor would I do business with them again.

They say they messed up, they rub your nose in it my showing you the very watch, then won’t cut you any deal on the new price, that would leave a bad taste in my mouth forever.

Plenty of people here willing to spend your money, I know, just not at that AD. Call me petty, I just could never deal with them again.

[AF_Rob]

Originally Posted by Jack T

Regardless of whether it was a mistake or not, I would not buy it, nor would I do business with them again.

They say they messed up, they rub your nose in it my showing you the very watch, then won’t cut you any deal on the new price, that would leave a bad taste in my mouth forever.

Plenty of people here willing to spend your money, call me petty, I just could never deal with them again.

I mostly agree. Part of me says to not buy it, but the only person that loses is the OP.

Perhaps they will look after him on the next one. If there is no next one, I would get the watch in hand and leave a review citing the incident and their inflexibility.


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[rockysw]

OP there are no principles involved here. The whole allocation process in my view is unethical with no transparency. So I would suggest not thinking in terms of principles.

I would suggest, get the watch if it is still below the market price (and you want it). Treat them as they treat you and get what ever benefit you can get out of them.

[sleepydoc]

Originally Posted by rockysw

OP there are no principles involved here. The whole allocation process in my view is unethical with no transparency. So I would suggest not thinking in terms of principles.

I would suggest, get the watch if it is still below the market price (and you want it). Treat them as they treat you and get what ever benefit you can get out of them.

Agree with this.

[Cigars&Watches]

I’d bring it up politely when it comes in if they don’t throw a nice gift in for you or get you your next piece sooner that’s when I would think things over. I’m sure it will work out in the end. These things be tend to even out over time.

[cloudken]

So forget the principles for a sec. If you believe next year we'll be in a recession and it'll be all over AD windows then you definitely should not be buying it. Not just because of a poor economy and youre not that in love with it, but at that point you'd be able to pick it up 20pct off in the grey market.

[Dougiebaby]

Originally Posted by JayBlack

So like everyone knows the prices in Europe are going up on November 1st by about 6%.

My AD messed up the list and I got a call 2 weeks ago for a watch but it was the wrong dial color. So they apologised and I was promised the next that comes in is mine. I had the email to prove what I ordered.

Now they did receive what I was waiting for in that shipment but they allocated it to someone who was on the list after me, due to their mistake.

Now I went over there and asked if, due to their mistake, for not allocating me the watch when it was my turn and skipping me, they will sell it to me at the price prior to the price bump. I got a flat no, if I don't like the price I don't need to buy. I get no compensation for their screw-up. And their screw-up will cost me an extra 1k.

So should I just not buy out of sheer principle ?
Cause they wouldn't even meet me halfway ? Or compensate me in any way? Yes it's a sellers market and yes it's hard to get. But still. Admitting a mistake and them making the client pay for it ?

What would u guys do ? Swallow the pill and pay ? Or give up and never buy there again?

If you purchased it at the increased price (approximately $1,000 more) is that the lowest price that you can obtain that watch? If so … purchase it. There is no “for the principle” when buying a Rolex.


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[JayBlack]

Originally Posted by cloudken

So forget the principles for a sec. If you believe next year we'll be in a recession and it'll be all over AD windows then you definitely should not be buying it. Not just because of a poor economy and youre not that in love with it, but at that point you'd be able to pick it up 20pct off in the grey market.

You are making a valid point.

The only issue I have is that I never buy grey, too scared of getting a fake or anything else going wrong.

Also I love the whole AD experience, yeah I know I'm paying for it but it's still an experience.

But I may think it over when it comes and maybe I will wait a year or maybe even 2 years. The DSSD isn't going anywhere. Demand is down and the production is up. So maybe, very maybe, we will start sewing some discounts at AD's again (wishful thinking)

But yeah I guess I'll decide when I get the call. I'm just so annoyed at the fact I'm being put in front of a done deal where the only one getting screwed is me and I'm letting it happen. AD wins, other client wins, I get screwed.

That's why I'm like I won't give em a dime of my money.

But like someone mentioned here, if I don't buy it its not like there's a shortage of buyers. So they won't care.

But do I really want a watch that has this bad vibe associated to it now ?

1st world dilemmas I know, but hey, I worked hard for that money I should enjoy it to the fullest right ?

GRRRR

[awboxes]

Think of this.

If you got a call for a watch from the AD, bought it, and found out a week later, after the price went up that you accidentally got "bumped up" in front of another person, accidentally, would you go back to the AD and tell them they made an error and give them the extra money for the price increase so the other guy could pay less or would you say something like "I got lucky" and not pay? I imagine it would be the later.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by JayBlack

As stated before. Its a watch I'd like to have. Not a must have. So that's why I started this thread. I can easily give up on a dssd.and not lose sleep over it.

Next year mid recession dssd will be in each and every display just for pickup as soon as you walk in. Mark my words. So yes I can wait and just pick it up from a different AD.

But even at another AD it's the same price. So yeah what do I gain by being stubborn ? Lol 😆

But shouldn't a man have principles, and stand by them no matter what ?

You already know my answer.

[SLWoodster]

Crappy situation.

Fork up the money when it comes.

Best of luck.
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Originally Posted by JayBlack

136660. Dssd
Ordered James Cameron, was allocated regular black, due to mistake of not being put on the JC list.

Originally Posted by JayBlack

It's not a grail watch but I would like it in my collection. So I'd say I want it 6/10.

Like if I'm not gonna have it I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.

[huncho]

their "if you don't like the price then don't buy it" response and the way they handled everything kinda gives me the vibe that you're a nobody to them and after this piece you'll likely not get anything worthwhile from them again. if they cared they'd at least give you a nicer no lol, or apologize for their mistake. those kinds of mistakes are always fixable if they like you

imo if it's a watch i really want i'd probably still get it because sadly in today's market, you walking away only hurts you. since you said it's not i'd just walk away and try to get it somewhere else where it would count towards another purchase. at the end of the day that's not a place i'd wanna have a relationship with. call me petty or whatever

[Harry-57]

You have to do what feels right to you. It seems like you are disgruntled and resent giving the AD the additional cost. If this is the case you will always kick yourself for giving in. If you really wanted the watch you would likely pay the difference, so I think you've already answered your question.

I've been in this situation three times with my AD because a Rolex I have been waiting for has increased in price while I was waiting. On one occasion they discounted, on two other occasions I got nothing off MSRP but other concessions were offered. Your AD sounds like someone who doesn't negotiate on anything. A pity, but at least you know where you stand.

[APhound]

I would still recommend buying it when it comes in- it’s an awesome watch. Lots of frustrating stuff going on the last few years- crazy market.
Maybe they will ship it somewhere for you to avoid the tax and you may come out ahead… not sure if that’s a thing where you live.
You’ll wind up with the watch and you’ll be happy. Better to stick with them at this point. Prob won’t take more than a couple months, maybe in time for Christmas.
It’s a bummer but it seems like he tried to be honest with you and will prob take care of you when/ where he can. The jc dial is worth the extra $1k and Rolex only charges like 300 so look at it that way.


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[Gab27]

Originally Posted by rockysw

OP there are no principles involved here. The whole allocation process in my view is unethical with no transparency. So I would suggest not thinking in terms of principles.

I would suggest, get the watch if it is still below the market price (and you want it). Treat them as they treat you and get what ever benefit you can get out of them.

I agree with not thinking in terms of absolute principles, but I'm not sure if I would call the allocation process 'unethical' - ADs are simply trying to maximize their returns, just like secondary dealers are. They're in a situation right now where they can do this. These watches are simply merchandise to them.

I really can't blame either for trying to maximize their net profits. When I sell something, I aim for the most favorable deal that I can get.

At the same time, if a major recession occurs and we reach a point where all ADs have an accumulation of store stock and things aren't flying off the shelves, I also think many buyers will remember how some ADs behaved during the past few years (some for better, and others for worse).

At the end of the day though, we aren't talking about the sale of drinkable water. We're talking about luxury goods, where sellers and buyers can request specific terms, and, if those terms are not satisfactory, either party can opt not to complete a transaction and life will go on. IMO, if it feels right, then great. If it doesn't, then there will be other opportunities.

[VogelPhoenix]

Principles aside, asking them to eat the price increase may not have been the best approach. If they professed feeling guilty about their mistake, one might have tried to leverage that into a more favorable place on the "list" for another watch, which nominally would not cost them anything.

[cloudken]

Originally Posted by JayBlack

You are making a valid point.



The only issue I have is that I never buy grey, too scared of getting a fake or anything else going wrong.



Also I love the whole AD experience, yeah I know I'm paying for it but it's still an experience.



But I may think it over when it comes and maybe I will wait a year or maybe even 2 years. The DSSD isn't going anywhere. Demand is down and the production is up. So maybe, very maybe, we will start sewing some discounts at AD's again (wishful thinking)



But yeah I guess I'll decide when I get the call. I'm just so annoyed at the fact I'm being put in front of a done deal where the only one getting screwed is me and I'm letting it happen. AD wins, other client wins, I get screwed.



That's why I'm like I won't give em a dime of my money.



But like someone mentioned here, if I don't buy it its not like there's a shortage of buyers. So they won't care.



But do I really want a watch that has this bad vibe associated to it now ?



1st world dilemmas I know, but hey, I worked hard for that money I should enjoy it to the fullest right ?



GRRRR

Don't make business personal. Watches don't have bad vibes, it's all in your head. AD experience is overrated and trash at this point.

You're right the JC isn't going anywhere, and it's not that tough a model to get as you need to be a collector or have a certain wrist for it.

Buying grey is a chore but it does force you to learn about watches, which only helps in the long run. My opinion is AD discounts are a thing of the past and you'd be playing a losing game trying to time that market. I would just get the watch if offered again but see if they'll make it up to you with another allocation. If you really feel sore about it then get on the list for the JC at another AD then flip this one once bought again. But I wouldn't bother with it for the first sentence of this post.

[Max7857]

Perhaps you are inquiring for a discount from the wrong person. If it is a local store I would speak or write to the owner. If it is a corporate owned store I would write to an executive at the home office. I find a well written thought out letter usually is quite effective.

[indianmachine]

Just buy it. There may be a list but AD really has no obligation to honor that.

[Emery]

Allocation was never in chronological order, and is up to manager’s discretion - you’re pushing shit uphill I’d say.

Like it? Buy it. No need to overthink it with principles and all.
You’re not raising a child here.

You’re just another name on the list.

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by JayBlack

You are making a valid point.

The only issue I have is that I never buy grey, too scared of getting a fake or anything else going wrong.

Also I love the whole AD experience, yeah I know I'm paying for it but it's still an experience.

But I may think it over when it comes and maybe I will wait a year or maybe even 2 years. The DSSD isn't going anywhere. Demand is down and the production is up. So maybe, very maybe, we will start sewing some discounts at AD's again (wishful thinking)

But yeah I guess I'll decide when I get the call. I'm just so annoyed at the fact I'm being put in front of a done deal where the only one getting screwed is me and I'm letting it happen. AD wins, other client wins, I get screwed.

That's why I'm like I won't give em a dime of my money.

But like someone mentioned here, if I don't buy it its not like there's a shortage of buyers. So they won't care.

But do I really want a watch that has this bad vibe associated to it now ?

1st world dilemmas I know, but hey, I worked hard for that money I should enjoy it to the fullest right ?

GRRRR

Couple of points

Yeah, you've been let down.

Shit happens. Deal with it and move on.

But, forget principles. Seriously, forget them. Reset. Make it simple.

Either you want the watch or you don't. In isolation. Don't miss out on something because you're feeling precious or offended by something that really doesn't matter. Your AD doesn't owe you anything. Stop acting as if they do.

And don't be caught up in the production is up (it most likely isn't) demand is down (also, most likely isn't) speculation. What I think we're probably seeing is an adjustment in value due to secondary resellers shifting less inventory between themselves.

I strongly suspect real end customer (as opposed to artificially created dealer) demand is just the same as it always was.

2 years of a global pandemic didn't return the Rolex market to where it was 5 or 10 years ago. So why do "we" all of a sudden think another economic downturn will? Its nothing more than wishful thinking IMO.

The only bad vibe associated with that watch is of your own making. If you can get it at retail from your AD, just do it. So what if its £700 more expensive?

(although UK prices don't appear to have increased today - where in Europe are you?)

[shockingly]

They have what you want and can probably move on by selling the next one they get to somebody else. They have the leverage even though you have some cash

[SS Oyster]

How in the world do you know precisely where you were on the list or that someone else who got one before the price hike was behind you in “the list”?

If you are nice, they might give you a watch roll or single watch case and keep you prioritized for your next watch. However, if you throw a temper tantrum, it won’t change anything other than how they think if you … ratcheting you downward on the waitlist for your next watch.


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[Bmats]

If the price increase matters that much, it means you either don’t want it or can’t really afford it (the latter doesn’t seem to be the case). In that sense, it could be helpful — it could be dissuading you from buying a piece you’re really meh about. I’d probably pass in that situation.

[beshannon]

You either want the watch or you don't.

[Kevin of Larchmont]

You can start all over at a new AD and get on their list and pay the new higher price years down the line or you can just stick to the AD you already have a dialogue with and deal with their “mistake.” They owe you nothing. You are spending thousands on a watch and you are on a Rolex forum asking countless others who have done the same thing advice about principles? This is funny. Take the sure thing with your current AD, maybe they’ll give you a free hat.

[1William]

This is simple, either you want the watch or you do not. The AD is not going to accept anything except msrp. The rest of this is about the OP being disappointed and having to pay more. I get it and am sorry it happened this way but you are either going to move forward and put all of that aside and get a much sought after watch at retail or you take another hit and skip the purchase based on some principles that are not easily defined. Stop overthinking it and decide which way it will be. Make the decision and then put the rest aside. I would get the watch and enjoy it.

[WAK4]

I'd let it go, but would also not forget - this is business and the dealers have the upper hand, for now.

It would help me not feel bad down the road squeezing them for bigger discount if those days return.

If I'm you, I'd pass. Doesn't seem like you're that hot for it, and the Deep Sea IMO will be one of the first steel models to nose dive at some point. I wouldn't sink another thousand into it.

That said, see if that changes when you get the call.

[JayBlack]

Thanks guys for responding.

To those asking how I know all that I wrote, please read the threads carefully as I explained it all there.

I see many smart insights here. Seeing that rolex has announced the new DS challenge I may cancel the DSSD and ask for the DSC (deep sea challenge).

The DSSD was top dog and now the DSC is top dog.

Yes I know its double the price and double unwearable, but hey if I can try to wear a DSSD might as well go all out on a DSC.

and as a 1st year run for the DSC. I think in years to come it will definitely be a major collectible.

Thoughts ?

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by JayBlack

My SA is pretty honest and open with me. I was told there was a screw up on their part and they showed me the watch that was actually supposed to be mine. But it was already paid for and the person just needed to come pock it up.

So yeah the SA told me they screwed up. So I know that watch was supposed to.be mine because I was told so.

Honestly I dunno if I'd rather not have known that my watch was allocated to someone else. They couldve just lied to me and said the other person was in front of me regardless. And then I would be like "ok, fine".

But in this case I was told the person who got the watch was behind me and they received it because I was put on the different list by mistake.

So yeah, they're honest about the screw up but won't own up to it. A lie wouldve set em free...

Maybe your SA is too honest with you. LOL.