Relationship Builder With AD

[hambone1983]

do you really think this person can or will push your name up on a waiting list ahead of the customers of other SAs?

She has at a minimum revealed that there is no queue for desired models. At best it is an auction. The "liberty" she took was to avail herself of an opportunity to coerce you into enriching herself.

[Jim_GMT]

If you're going TT, get a Rootbeer. But don't buy something you don't want.

[brucethemanlee]

Originally Posted by 1AP

Just buy grey. Waiting 1 year plus and having to flip watches… what a mess

OP is likely to lose money on the flip too

and run the risk of getting scammed

[King01]

Hi
Which sub date are you after...?

[the dark knight]

Years ago, a relationship was walking into an AD and buying the Rolex you wanted on the spot with the exception of a Daytona. In the not too distant past, a relationship became having purchase history with that AD, but it was organic. You bought a Sub from them 5 years ago and you want a GMT now. That type of thing.

Now a relationship is buying stuff you don't want in the "hope" of moving up an arbitrary list.

I would like to get back to the first scenario but am not optimistic. I think the second scenario is perfectly fine. Maybe focus spending at one AD to build up a bigger spend history and loyalty, but ONLY buy stuff you would have bought anyway.

Do not do the third scenario.

[BKScripto]

Originally Posted by the dark knight

Years ago, a relationship was walking into an AD and buying the Rolex you wanted on the spot with the exception of a Daytona. In the not too distant past, a relationship became having purchase history with that AD, but it was organic. You bought a Sub from them 5 years ago and you want a GMT now. That type of thing.

Now a relationship is buying stuff you don't want in the "hope" of moving up an arbitrary list.

I would like to get back to the first scenario but am not optimistic. I think the second scenario is perfectly fine. Maybe focus spending at one AD to build up a bigger spend history and loyalty, but ONLY buy stuff you would have bought anyway.

Do not do the third scenario.

First scenario would be nice.

Second scenario is understandable if you look at it from a business standpoint. I do however purchase gifts on special occasions for my wife, knowingly paying more than I would on the internet or secondary market. But it’s nothing I wasn’t already going to buy.

Problem is you never know how much is enough to “bump” you up that arbitrary list. My guess is it varies by AD. They may dangle the carrot in front of your for years. At some point you gotta put the ball in their court.

I like Rolex a lot, but I personally don’t think they are worth paying over retail. That’s just me, the market says they are worth more (right now at least). So there’s the dilemma.

[TBC123]

Your loss on the 'relationship building' yacht master when you sell is probably greater than the grey premium.

[robinmgb]

Originally Posted by 1AP

Just buy grey. Waiting 1 year plus and having to flip watches… what a mess

This exactly, forget AD’s in my opinion

[Mos_kev]

I agree with just purchasing the Sub in the grey market, its not marked up too high so not worth the hassle buying something you don't want and selling then waiting... now if you were in line for another watch with a big mark up in the grey market like a panda Daytona or Pepsi BLRO (almost 10k mark up) then might be worth the "relationship build up", but for the sub you want, just go grey and enjoy!!!

[cerendigit]

Haha what a mess. Just go gray and get your watch the next day.

[CarlOver]

Do not buy what you don't want to keep. The Sub is a great watch at MSRP.

[doublevanose82]

Originally Posted by 1AP

Just buy grey. Waiting 1 year plus and having to flip watches… what a mess

This ^

[messikens]

Biggest joke is that you should get a TT Yachtmaster within 12 months . It's not an in demand watch by any means

If you like other watches and want to establish a relationship, I'd recommend looking at those rather than buying a YM to flip and continue to wait for the Sub...

If you don't like other watches (Tudor, Cartier etcetc) then just go grey. No point in these stupid AD games

[slus]

Those AD propositions are disgusting. I'd buy grey today and be happy, or buy something else I actually wanted and was available, like any one of the fantastic Tudors that are available possibly under the same roof. Who cares what "they" say you should buy to build a relationship, there's no guarantee they'll ever call you.

[amh]

Originally Posted by slus

Those AD propositions are disgusting. I'd buy grey today and be happy, or buy something else I actually wanted and was available, like any one of the fantastic Tudors that are available possibly under the same roof. Who cares what "they" say you should buy to build a relationship, there's no guarantee they'll ever call you.

And that's the weakness in 'relationship building.' It would be one thing to place an order with a deposit and then endure a wait (eg. 1 year.) It might also be acceptable to buy a bundle ("I'll buy a DJ for my wife if you'll also sell me a Sub.") Being strung along with no end in sight will frustrate anyone trying to climb the ladder. Every "call" ends up being a request to buy more jewelry for the next birthday or anniversary.

[the dark knight]

Originally Posted by BKScripto

First scenario would be nice.

Second scenario is understandable if you look at it from a business standpoint. I do however purchase gifts on special occasions for my wife, knowingly paying more than I would on the internet or secondary market. But it’s nothing I wasn’t already going to buy.

Problem is you never know how much is enough to “bump” you up that arbitrary list. My guess is it varies by AD. They may dangle the carrot in front of your for years. At some point you gotta put the ball in their court.

I like Rolex a lot, but I personally don’t think they are worth paying over retail. That’s just me, the market says they are worth more (right now at least). So there’s the dilemma.

Yep, that's why you just buy stuff you want anyway. I do think it's strategic to try to purchase a non-Rolex at the Rolex AD if it's something you want. I personally would pay slightly more for a Breitling or whatever at the Rolex AD to build that relationship than say a non-Rolex AD that's offering me a discount, if I was going to buy that Breitling anyway. Just to use an example. That's the extent of my relationship "building".

I also think you have to trust your brain over your heart in these situations. People here post about visiting an AD that has "promised" them a Sub Date for 5 years. Come on, that's not happening. Or ADs that are obviously playing games but they hope otherwise.

[the dark knight]

Originally Posted by messikens

Biggest joke is that you should get a TT Yachtmaster within 12 months . It's not an in demand watch by any means

If you like other watches and want to establish a relationship, I'd recommend looking at those rather than buying a YM to flip and continue to wait for the Sub...

If you don't like other watches (Tudor, Cartier etcetc) then just go grey. No point in these stupid AD games

This is why I think it's better to try to build a relationship at a jeweler rather than a boutique. Unless you are a massive Rolex fan that is willing to buy almost any model offered.

Seems easier to build an organic relationship if you can buy the odd Tudor or JLC maybe with some jewelry as a gift once in a while.

[BKScripto]

Originally Posted by the dark knight

Yep, that's why you just buy stuff you want anyway. I do think it's strategic to try to purchase a non-Rolex at the Rolex AD if it's something you want. I personally would pay slightly more for a Breitling or whatever at the Rolex AD to build that relationship than say a non-Rolex AD that's offering me a discount, if I was going to buy that Breitling anyway. Just to use an example. That's the extent of my relationship "building".

I also think you have to trust your brain over your heart in these situations. People here post about visiting an AD that has "promised" them a Sub Date for 5 years. Come on, that's not happening. Or ADs that are obviously playing games but they hope otherwise.

Funny you mention Breitling, just bought my wife one from the Rolex AD for her birthday and she also got teach of the year award (public school teacher), so I wanted to get her something special. Yeah I paid more than I would have somewhere else probably, but my wife loves the watch so I really don’t care. I did manage to get them to eat the tax (7%) lol.

[Ruvv]

Just go grey

[amphr1]

Not for a black submariner. I know it seems like you can't get one from any AD, but I bet you going into a hotel conference room and half the men there will already own one. Go grey or see if you have other things you genuinely want to buy from that AD. Don't buy anything even if you think you like it but has a bit of hesitation.

[Malum]

Don’t buy any watch you don’t want . Nothing is guaranteed after the AD gets your initial purchase . If you want any Rolex state your interest at AD or go grey . It sucks ass but that’s the game . I like Rolex and a few other manufacturers , I find other pieces I sincerely enjoy and want , and at the same time play the stupid game . Do I feel the fool at times . Yes .

[hutch300]

Go gray and save the suffering.

[Guppydriver]

Man..

I get the prudence of going gray as opposed to buying things you don't like, but either way...

It blows me away that people want to spend 13 thousand dollars (or more) on a 200m stainless steel dive watch.

That's not a dig on the submariner at all, I love the watch.

Heck, I get peoples tastes are different, but I could buy a new steel and gold GO Panodate for 20% off at around 12K with a level of finishing that is more commensurate to that price.

Not saying you shouldn't pick up what you love most, but I just still trip out on what people are paying for a damn nice, but not overly impressive watch.

[jimcarver]

A) I wouldn't do it out of principle, B) it seems like far too much hassle for my liking.

[Krb65]

Do not buy something you don't want and sell it on the grey. People have done that at my local AD and they have found out. Have no idea how, but great way to forever tarnish a relationship before its started.

I have a great relationship with my AD. I have gotten both my watches from them at retail. Granted I did buy a lot of stuff here and there, but I use the same salesperson who is a staple at this AD, and I continue to do business with just her. It has come to the point where I just shoot her a text if I am coming in.

[Nairn1980]

In this instance, go grey and have the watch on your wrist by the weekend.
Life is too short.

[Nairn1980]

Originally Posted by King01

Hi
Which sub date are you after...?

I’m assuming the 126610.

[BKScripto]

Originally Posted by Guppydriver

Man..

I get the prudence of going gray as opposed to buying things you don't like, but either way...

It blows me away that people want to spend 13 thousand dollars (or more) on a 200m stainless steel dive watch.

That's not a dig on the submariner at all, I love the watch.

Heck, I get peoples tastes are different, but I could buy a new steel and gold GO Panodate for 20% off at around 12K with a level of finishing that is more commensurate to that price.

Not saying you shouldn't pick up what you love most, but I just still trip out on what people are paying for a damn nice, but not overly impressive watch.

This is one reason I have not went grey. I don’t think Rolex is worth more than MSRP, that is just my opinion and the grey market disagrees with me right now. That’s cool… I’ll wait. If Subs continue to come down in price and get very close to retail pricing+tax, then I’ll bite if my AD doesn’t come through.

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by travisb

Don't buy what you don't want.
If you don't want to wait, you know what to do.

+1


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[m j b]

Wow. Considering the nearly unanimous opinions here, it's kind of amazing that these new threads still pop-up regularly.