Onlywatch 2023 Collection

[kunlun]

Not a Patek guy, but this is magnificent.

[llngoc]

This is actually much better than the original contribution IMO.

[Ichiran]

I have put in online bids for both the Sylvain Pinaud Origine and Auffret + Petermann Bedat collaboration. Hopefully it goes well but if not, charity wins.

[FrugalGreubel]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I have put in online bids for both the Sylvain Pinaud Origine and Auffret + Petermann Bedat collaboration. Hopefully it goes well but if not, charity wins.

Both are amazing but that Sylvain Pinaud Origine is the one I’d really go after if I had the money. Hope you get the winning bid!

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by FrugalGreubel

Both are amazing but that Sylvain Pinaud Origine is the one I’d really go after if I had the money. Hope you get the winning bid!

Thanks! Both are nice but I will be getting the production version of the Origine too. The PB/Auffret is truly one of one, and the finishing has signatures of all 3 watchmakers

[FrugalGreubel]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Thanks! Both are nice but I will be getting the production version of the Origine too. The PB/Auffret is truly one of one, and the finishing has signatures of all 3 watchmakers

Ahh I totally forgot you were already getting a Origine. In that case I hope you get the PB/Auffret. It would be a killer addition to any collection.

[Ichiran]

Unfortunately I did not get the watch I wanted but this is good for charity though. Some selected results below (all in CHF and hammer price only):

Patek 6301A - 15.7m
Richard Mille - 2.38m
Rexhep Rexhepi - 2.1m
Journe - 2m
LV - 700k
Kari - 450k
Krayon - 440k
Moser/MB&F - 380k
PB/Auffret - 240k
Sylvain Pinaud - 220k
Gerald Genta - 170k
Furlan Marri - 130k
Atelier Chronometrie - 115k
Chaykin - 110k
Laurent Ferrier - 110k

[FrugalGreubel]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Unfortunately I did not get the watch I wanted but this is good for charity though. Some selected results below (all in CHF and hammer price only):

Patek 6301A - 15.7m
Richard Mille - 2.38m
Rexhep Rexhepi - 2.1m
Journe - 2m
LV - 700k
Kari - 450k
Krayon - 440k
Moser/MB&F - 380k
PB/Auffret - 240k
Sylvain Pinaud - 220k
Gerald Genta - 170k
Furlan Marri - 130k
Atelier Chronometrie - 115k
Chaykin - 110k
Laurent Ferrier - 110k

Sorry you didn’t win. Was really rooting for you. But my god those are some insane numbers. A real win for charity but never expected some of those to go as high as they did.

[unsprung]

Hi everyone, probably a strange post for someone new, but I‘ve been reading for a longer time. Just to add my 2 cents: A few watches might have underperformed, because the christies website was down during the auction and bidding through Christies Live wasn‘t possible. I had registered to bid via Christies live and wanted to see the performance of several watches to maybe bid on them. I was forced to bid via telephone because the website was down and so I chose the the two watches I was most interested in before the auction. I sadly didn‘t get one, but seeing some of the weaker results of the evening, I would‘ve probably made a higher bid for one of them via christies live.

[WatchEater666]

I've always wondered if in some countries the delta between "appraised value" and what it actually goes for can be considered a tax deduction to a charity?

For example, if a piece is estimated to go for $50k by the charity and sells for $150k instead, can some people claim a $100,000 donation?

In the US, there's something similar with art where if you buy it and have it appraised at a higher value, you pocket the difference in imaginary donated $, it's pretty cool.

If so, it changes the math a lot for some bidders.

[WatchEater666]

Also wow, the lederer only went for 45k chf. It was probably one of my favorites.

[Gebbeth]

What happened to the Only Watch controversy. Has that all disappeared? Has there been anymore clarity as to what happened and how it might have been resolved?

[cy888]

1. Angelus x Château Angelus
Estimated price: CHF 50,000 – 60,000
Sold for: CHF 70,000

2. ArtyA
Estimated price: CHF 40,000 – 50,000
Sold for: CHF 55,000

3. Atelier de Chronométrie
Estimated price: CHF 50,000 – 70,000
Sold for: CHF 115,000

4. Baltic
Estimated price: CHF 20,000 – 30,000
Sold for: CHF 55,000

5. Barbier Muller
Estimated price: CHF 150,000 – 250,000
Sold for: CHF 240,000

6. Bell & Ross
Estimated price: CHF 45,000 – 55,000
Sold for: CHF 55,000

7. Blancpain
Estimated price: CHF 20,000 – 30,000
Sold for: CHF 45,000

8. Bovet 1822
Estimated price: CHF 52,000 – 65,000
Sold for: CHF 110,000

9. Breguet
Estimated price: CHF 70,000 – 80,000
Sold for: CHF 75,000

10. Bulgari
Estimated price: CHF 150,000 – 250,000
Sold for: CHF 190,000

11. Chanel
Estimated price: CHF 40,000 – 50,000
Sold for: CHF 65,000

12. Czapek Genève
Estimated price: CHF 80,000 – 100,000
Sold for: CHF 85,000

13. F. P. Journe
Estimated price: CHF 200,000 – 400,000
Selling price: CHF 2,000,000

14. Frederique Constant x Christiaan v.d. Klaauw
Estimated price: CHF 90,000 – 110,000
Sold for: CHF 85,000

15. Furlan Marri
Estimated price: CHF 20'000 – 30,000
Sold for: CHF 130,000

16. Gérald Genta
Estimated price: CHF 350,000 – 500,000
Sold for: CHF 170,000

17. Grönefeld
Estimated price: CHF 55,000 – 65,000
Sold for: CHF 140,000

18. H. Moser X MB&F
Estimated price: CHF 300,000 – 400,000
Sold for: CHF 380,000

19. Hermès
Estimated price: CHF 30,000 – 40,000
Sold for: CHF 60,000

20. Hublot
Estimated price: CHF 350,000 – 400,000
Sold for: CHF 420,000

21. Jaquet Droz
Estimated price: CHF 250,000 – 300,000
Sold for: CHF 150,000

22. Konstantin Chaykin
Estimated price: CHF 30,000 – 50,000
Sold for: CHF 110,000

23. Krayon
Estimated price: CHF 150,000 – 250,000
Sold for: CHF 440,000

24. Laurent Ferrier
Estimated price: CHF 55,000 – 85,000
Sold for: CHF 100,000

25. Lederer
Estimated price: CHF 100,000 – 200,000
Sold for: CHF 45,000

26. Louis Moinet
Estimated price: CHF 80,000 – 120,000
Sold for: CHF 110,000

27. Louis Vuitton
Estimated price: CHF 340,000 – 440,000
Sold for: CHF 700,000

28. Ludovic Ballouard x Brittany Nicole Cox
Estimated price: CHF 60,000 – 90,000
Sold for: CHF 100,000

29. Maurice Lacroix
Estimated price: CHF 25,000 – 35,000
Sold for: CHF 28,000

30. Montblanc
Estimated price: CHF 25,000 – 35,000
Sold for: CHF 22,000

31. Moritz Grossmann
Estimated price: CHF 30,000 – 45,000
Sold for: CHF 88,000

32. Patek Philippe
Estimated price: CHF 1,500,000 – 1,800,000
Sold for: CHF 15,700,000

33. Petermann Bédat x Auffret Paris
Estimated price: CHF 50,000 – 100,000
Sold for: CHF 240,000

34. Piaget
Estimated price: CHF 50,000 – 80,000
Sold for: CHF 100,000

35. Reservoir X Télôs Watch
Estimated price: CHF 50,000 – 60,000
Sold for: CHF 55,000

36. Ressence
Estimated price: CHF 20,000 – 30,000
Sold for: CHF 70,000

37. Rexhep Rexhepi
Estimated price: CHF 100,000 – 150,000
Sold for: CHF 2,100,000

38. Richard Mille
Estimated price: CHF 600,000 – 800,000
Sold for: CHF 2,380,000

39. Singer Reimagined x Genus
Estimated price: CHF 100,000 – 120,000
Sold for: CHF 100,000

40. Speake Marin
Estimated price: CHF 35,000 – 65,000
Sold for: CHF 45,000

41. Sylvain Pinaud
Estimated price: CHF 70,000 – 100,000
Sold for: CHF 220,000

42. TAG Heuer
Estimated price: CHF 150,000 – 300,000
Sold for: CHF 110,000

43. Tiffany & Co.
Estimated price: CHF 350,000 – 500,000
Sold for: CHF 120,000

44. Trilobe
Estimated price: CHF 25,000 – 35,000
Sold for: CHF 17,000

45. Urwerk
Estimated price: CHF 45,000 – 80,000
Sold for: CHF 65,000

46. Voutilainen
Estimated price: CHF 175,000 – 215,000
Sold for: CHF 450,000

47. Zenith
Estimated price: CHF 45,000 – 55,000
Sold for: CHF 110,000

https://en.worldtempus.com/article/profiles/interview-alain-delamuraz-jaquet-droz-78187.html


Zach bought the Patek.

[Ichiran]

I congratulated Gaël, Florian and Sylvain Pinaud following the auction and they were very happy with the results. There was indeed an online issue at Christie's and that could affect the results one way or another.

[FrugalGreubel]

Originally Posted by unsprung

Hi everyone, probably a strange post for someone new, but I‘ve been reading for a longer time. Just to add my 2 cents: A few watches might have underperformed, because the christies website was down during the auction and bidding through Christies Live wasn‘t possible. I had registered to bid via Christies live and wanted to see the performance of several watches to maybe bid on them. I was forced to bid via telephone because the website was down and so I chose the the two watches I was most interested in before the auction. I sadly didn‘t get one, but seeing some of the weaker results of the evening, I would‘ve probably made a higher bid for one of them via christies live.

Sorry you didn’t get any of the winning bids. It’s insane the Christie’s website was down. That’s pretty embarrassing.

[unsprung]

The christies website is still down. Seems to be a bigger problem. As I saw the website degrading over time, it seems like a hack or virus to me. But that‘s just a guess. I just hope my personal data didn‘t get leaked.

It‘s been my first auction of the kind ever, so it was still a fun experience. I followed the live stream on youtube (which of course had delay, so my phone bidding wasn‘t in sync with the stream). I went in not expecting to get a watch, as I know that there‘s a certain type of bidders willing to spend much more on these than I am, if they really want a watch. On one of the lots I actually went into a 1 vs 1 bidding „war“ at the end, but was the one to drop out. The price was way above estimate, so I do not have regrets passing on it. On the other hand I asked myself afterwards, if he would‘ve dropped out, if I would‘ve raised just one more time, haha.

What I‘m really sad about is the trilobe. It wasn‘t my favorite watch of the show, but I would have bid more than the 17k it achieved and it came up after the lots I was interested in, so I would‘ve known of not getting those at the time of bidding.

[GB-man]

Imagine you bought the RM and could’ve had the Rexhep and 280k to spare. I always find it interesting what people are drawn to at auction vs what my poor self would buy in the same lot with similar money.

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by Gebbeth

What happened to the Only Watch controversy. Has that all disappeared? Has there been anymore clarity as to what happened and how it might have been resolved?

Hodinkee has an update:
"Due to the questions that prompted the postponement, Only Watch has completed a financial audit and revised the structure and governance of their organization."
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/on...ay-2024-update

The auditors' reports for 2021, 2022 and 2023 could be found in the link below. They are performed by Grant Thornton and were issued with a clean opinion (except in 2021, there was a draw to attention due to absence of impairment of advance to subsi EUR 5.2m, but still considered clean opinion), though I'm not sure what Santa Laura LLP would have opined if the audit is done by him instead.
https://onlyproject.org/audit-report...023-2022-2021/

[ChetBaker]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Imagine you bought the RM and could’ve had the Rexhep and 280k to spare. I always find it interesting what people are drawn to at auction vs what my poor self would buy in the same lot with similar money.

This. It's beyond me that folks are willing to pony up this kind of cash for a piece of tr*sh like this RM - or frankly any other RM. My favourite of the lot was the MB&F vs Moser collab. One of the coolest watches I have seen in a long long time.

[kunlun]

Interesting how some indies do well and others don't.

Originally Posted by cy888

Zach bought the Patek.

Who is zach?

[WatchEater666]

Originally Posted by ChetBaker

This. It's beyond me that folks are willing to pony up this kind of cash for a piece of tr*sh like this RM - or frankly any other RM. My favourite of the lot was the MB&F vs Moser collab. One of the coolest watches I have seen in a long long time.

If you’re a billionaire a couple M is not a significant amount of money. It’s like you buying a $100 Casio

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by kunlun

Interesting how some indies do well and others don't.



Who is zach?

The Chinese kid who bought the 5711 Tiffany at auction for 5M more than it’s worth today. He’s a real savant lol

[ChetBaker]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

If you’re a billionaire a couple M is not a significant amount of money. It’s like you buying a $100 Casio

I understand. But it’s the stuff you decide to spend those millions on that defines you as a collector.

[kunlun]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

If you’re a billionaire a couple M is not a significant amount of money. It’s like you buying a $100 Casio

Depends, there is no amount, and I really mean no amount of money I could have and not have my grandmother from the old country not threaten to roll over in her grave should I not consider getting the best deal on everything, avoiding flaunting wealth, worrying about savings, etc. Oil wealth people, tech brahs, oligarchs, and their children are different and may lack grandma haunting, I imagine.

Originally Posted by GB-man

The Chinese kid who bought the 5711 Tiffany at auction for 5M more than it’s worth today. He’s a real savant lol

Ah, thanks.

I don't follow him on IG because he seemed like a feminine hygiene product at times, but any tea on how santa laura took the OW auction?

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by kunlun

Depends, there is no amount, and I really mean no amount of money I could have and not have my grandmother from the old country not threaten to roll over in her grave should I not consider getting the best deal on everything, avoiding flaunting wealth, worrying about savings, etc. Oil wealth people, tech brahs, oligarchs, and their children are different and may lack grandma haunting, I imagine.



Ah, thanks.

I don't follow him on IG because he seemed like a feminine hygiene product at times, but any tea on how santa laura took the OW auction?

I stopped following Santa Laura. Between him and watch falcon idk who has the more punchable face.

I’d like to know where all the people claiming FPJs imminent demise went? They made it seem like only watch was up there with Epstein island and now a few CPA checks later everything is good to go lol