Doctor Steals Dying Man's Rolex

[Defiancekofb]

Originally Posted by Timber Loftis

Let's recall that allegations are just allegations.

I'm reminded of that guy who was put to death in Texas for arson that killed his kids. After he was killed, arson experts examining the evidence said it was probably NOT arson. Additionally, during the tragedy, he set his head on fire trying to get in and save the children. But by the time the MSM had it for a couple of days he was suddenly labeled as making no attempt to save them at all.

So, even if this guy did steal the watch, we don't know what efforts he made to save the lieutenant. For all we know he could have tried his hardest to get the man's heart going again.

Heck for all we know, the woman who all-too-conveniently led the police to the watch could have been in on the theft.

Even if the person who ratted the Dr. out was in on it, it's pretty much hearsay. Unless the Doc has a taped confession with the person he was supposedly in on it with, he's gonna take the fall hard by himself. They have video evidence of the doctor in the act of stealing the watch and throwing it. The DA probably will pull up the Doctor's financial records, and prove he was in financial distress. He wanted a Rolex extremely badly and it wasn't financial viable for him. Moral is, pay your med school loans first, then buy Rolex. Don't steal Rolex from dead patient.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally Posted by 777

"According to the court document, St. Joseph's administration confronted Enmon with videotaped evidence of the theft and removed him from working at the hospital."

I think it's more than a allegation.

No, in fact a claim made in a court document is precisely the definition of an allegation. Court documents only state one side's arguments normally. I'm sure his defense court documents will make very different claims.

And we don't know what the "videotaped evidence" was. Was it a tape of him slipping the watch off? Or was it a tape of him going into a room where the watch was known to be located? All we have from the article is a vague reference to some "videotaped evidence."

And, again, he's charged with both theft and letting the man die. Proving one crime does not prove the other. Also note that the hospital is also being sued, and that him being guilty of murder will cost them a whole lot more money than him just being guilty of theft. If he's guilty of murder, then that hospital's going to end up paying out a mint.

[DadsWatch72]

I worked in nursing homes for a couple of years in physical therapy (level entry stuff). One woman named Sara (a resident of the home) said that she had her wedding ring stolen while at the home and spoke of it often. One day I was in her room and needed to move her recliner chair. Low and behold what do you think I found? Yeppers, her wedding ring. When I showed it to her she was so happy and the look on her face was priceless. If I said it once, I have said it a thousand times. You either pay for what you want now with money or you pay for it later with your soul. I prefer money.

[Defiancekofb]

Originally Posted by Timber Loftis

No, in fact a claim made in a court document is precisely the definition of an allegation. Court documents only state one side's arguments normally. I'm sure his defense court documents will make very different claims.

And we don't know what the "videotaped evidence" was. Was it a tape of him slipping the watch off? Or was it a tape of him going into a room where the watch was known to be located? All we have from the article is a vague reference to some "videotaped evidence."

And, again, he's charged with both theft and letting the man die. Proving one crime does not prove the other. Also note that the hospital is also being sued, and that him being guilty of murder will cost them a whole lot more money than him just being guilty of theft. If he's guilty of murder, then that hospital's going to end up paying out a mint.

That's true, but, either way getting out this news in public can't be helping the Doctor. The only way to determine the outcome of the charges is to view personally view the video. I'm leaning towards your theory. I mean the Doctor couldn't be that stupid, he was probably working in that hospital for a said amount of time and knows a camera is in the vicinity of where the theft took place.

[Zgar]

Every Dog has his day. This guy is a scum, A doctor could afford a Rolex, only thing is he is not a doctor he is a criminal disguised as a doctor. I pray for the family. their dad did not get fair treatment while at the hospital, I hope he gets it in court when they put this guy away

[cody p]

Originally Posted by Timber Loftis

No, in fact a claim made in a court document is precisely the definition of an allegation. Court documents only state one side's arguments normally. I'm sure his defense court documents will make very different claims.

And we don't know what the "videotaped evidence" was. Was it a tape of him slipping the watch off? Or was it a tape of him going into a room where the watch was known to be located? All we have from the article is a vague reference to some "videotaped evidence."

And, again, he's charged with both theft and letting the man die. Proving one crime does not prove the other. Also note that the hospital is also being sued, and that him being guilty of murder will cost them a whole lot more money than him just being guilty of theft. If he's guilty of murder, then that hospital's going to end up paying out a mint.

well said sir!

[BarkMaster]

Originally Posted by Timber Loftis

No, in fact a claim made in a court document is precisely the definition of an allegation.

Totally agree.. on the definiton.

I guess my point is that I don't think they whould make the statement that the evidence exists without being ready to back it up.

[Timber Loftis]

I guess I just get frustrated that "innocent until proven guilty" is what the law requires, yet we all tend to presume guilt on only a whiff of evidence. For people who are wrongfully accused, it creates a horrendous uphill battle.

[Defiancekofb]

Originally Posted by Timber Loftis

I guess I just get frustrated that "innocent until proven guilty" is what the law requires, yet we all tend to presume guilt on only a whiff of evidence. For people who are wrongfully accused, it creates a horrendous uphill battle.

Yeah I hear you, Hofstra Rape Trial anyone?

[icnbne]

this is just about as low as one can go..

[BarkMaster]

Originally Posted by Timber Loftis

I guess I just get frustrated that "innocent until proven guilty" is what the law requires, yet we all tend to presume guilt on only a whiff of evidence. For people who are wrongfully accused, it creates a horrendous uphill battle.

I understand what you are saying and I am certainly guilty of that (pun intended).

It just sounds to me like there is more than just a whif of evidence. I guess I wouldn't get picked for the jury...

[Tombstone]

What ever happened to the "First do no harm" idea. It seems a few Doctors (not all) are all about the money. How could you wear a watch from a dead man? This is a 1%er who is so into himself he has no moral fiber about right and wrong. It is all about him. poor sap is mentally ill and has no idea he is sick.

[BarkMaster]

Originally Posted by Tombstone

What ever happened to the "First do no harm" idea. It seems a few Doctors (not all) are all about the money. SAD

I think that applies to any profession... Police are sworn to "protect and serve", but there are some that do neither. That doesn't mean that they are all that way. That would be like saying all AD's are rude...

[Launch Mini]

I like the part where the nurses noticed a bulge in the doctors pocket.
What were they looking for, really?

[train-time]

Absolutely unbelievable!!

[BarkMaster]

Originally Posted by Launch Mini

I like the part where the nurses noticed a bulge in the doctors pocket.
What were they looking for, really?

"excuse me, is that a Deepsea in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

[DadsWatch72]

Originally Posted by 777

"excuse me, is that a Deepsea in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

I did laugh out loud on that one. Good one.

[TheVTCGuy]

I agree with what some individuals on this thread have pointed out, that in the US, the Doctor is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law... fair enough. However I will say, that if this Doctor, DID steal a dying man's property, (not even approaching the allegation that the Doctor LET the man die), it is one of the most disgusting acts I've ever heard of a human being doing. I hope he loses his license, serves time in prison, and rots in Hell.

[Dr.Brian]

Knowing how much the average ER doctor makes, though I am not one, a day date is an easily attainable goal. If he did steal the mans watch, he is likely mentally ill or has severe personal problems like a gambling addiction, etc. Either way, what he is accused of is shocking and unforgivable and if convicted will cost him his CA medical license and likely his career.
Regards,
Brian

[DRAWTOOL]

Originally Posted by novae500

karma will get the dr

Yeah, Carl "Karma" Jackson, his new roomie at Chino...

[SDDS]

thats very sick

[rescue7]

Originally Posted by 777

"excuse me, is that a Deepsea in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

That was funny,

Hey I bet ya he tells the medical board that he was checking the patients pulse and accidentially put the watch in his pocket and forgot he had it.

Knowing how many thieves lurk in the intensive care ward of particular hospital, he was obviously looking after the well being of the patient, which was the ticker on his wrist and not the one he gets paid, to look after his HEART. That is low,

[Dr.Brian]

Originally Posted by mustangbrad

I don't have faith in doctors. They all are paid by the large cap drug companies. And the majority are persuaded to prescribe a particular brand over another to keep their compensation up. I rarely get any help or relief even when visiting a dr.

Hi,
What you wrote above is not correct. I don't get paid anything by any pharma or equipment company for anything that I do. The days of companies sending physicians out on sponsored vacations, etc. are over. The last two hospitals I worked at had policies where these companies could not even give us branded sticky notes, pens or lunches anymore. The only people watching what we order for patients is the insurance companies, who dislike new name brand drugs by the way. Physicians can lecture for drug companies and get research sponsorship from them, but that is an entirely different thing. I don't do that either. I give the right drugs to the right patients at the right time, everytime. That's why I get the big bucks. I couldn't care less what new drug or gadget is on the market unless they can show me that it will improve my patient care with research conducted on humans.
If you don't like your doctor, get a second opinion or seek the opinion of a specialist.
Brian

[Rags]

Hi, this is my first post. I just wanted to say that I've been reading TRF since January & I find it to be most informative. I am looking to purchase a TT Datejust or Submariner I just cant make up my mind. Anyway I look foward to many more posts... As for this doctor he should be locked up. I'm sure he can afford to buy his own Rolex.

[Flaxmoore]

Originally Posted by Defiancekofb

Yeah I hear you, Hofstra Rape Trial anyone?

Duke, you mean?

[DadsWatch72]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

Hi,
What you wrote above is not correct. I don't get paid anything by any pharma or equipment company for anything that I do. The days of companies sending physicians out on sponsored vacations, etc. are over. The last two hospitals I worked at had policies where these companies could not even give us branded sticky notes, pens or lunches anymore. The only people watching what we order for patients is the insurance companies, who dislike new name brand drugs by the way. Physicians can lecture for drug companies and get research sponsorship from them, but that is an entirely different thing. I don't do that either. I give the right drugs to the right patients at the right time, everytime. That's why I get the big bucks. I couldn't care less what new drug or gadget is on the market unless they can show me that it will improve my patient care with research conducted on humans.
If you don't like your doctor, get a second opinion or seek the opinion of a specialist.
Brian

Easy Doc, you sound like a good egg. There are so many storys of poor medical treatment we have all heard at one time or another. Most people don't know what doctors really do and the incredible amount of commitment and passion they really have to their field/career/patients. Most doctors are some of the finest people amoung us. There will always be a bad apple in the bunch. Doesn't sound like your one of them. I am constantly amazed by how smart doctors are and their commitment to their trade. Anybody that spends half their natural life in school to learn a trade is definately commited and has my respect.

[DadsWatch72]

On an additional note, I think one of the hardest things for a doctor is having everyone looking to you to solve all of their ailments as if you were God himself. Thats got to be something you would have to come to terms with early on in your career IMO. The trick is to help your patients learn that you many be good, but your not God and can't fix everything. Those are my 2 cents.

[tinstar]

Well I don't know about the ambulance, but when we pick up someone at a scene, they usually still have whatever they were wearing.

Of course this depends on if there were fatalities involved. Especially if one spouse survives and the other does not. State Police usually will have the wallet/purse of the survivor for paperwork reasons. He/she will then bring it to the ER after we have landed.

My crew will usually will not touch personal effects unless it is needed for ID or to get to a spot on the person to treat them.

Once in the ER (in my area anyway) a inventory is done of personal effects, includeing ALL of the contents of a wallet/purse. Everything is done by TWO people and sealed in a PE bag along with the inventory sheet.

I personally have not seen anything that I would question. There are just too many people around.

Like one of the posters said, there are scumbags in EVERY profession.


Do you know what they call the guy who finished last in his Med School class?

DOCTOR

[rolexnovice]

I don't understand....if he is a doctor...why can't he afford his OWN rolex?

[keschete]

As a medical professional, I am sad and embarrassed, but doctors aren't different from anyone else. You have good people and bad people....obviously he was one of the bad people.

I can say, in all the years I worked in the ER and in private practice, I could have cared less what jewelry the patient had on. I was just worried about saving/helping them.

When someone dies, that jewelry is very important to the family and should be given immediately to the family. It helps a family to have those sentimental items, when they are trying to deal with the death of a loved one.

Most people who work in healthcare are like me. We do it because we want to help people. The good people always out number the bad people.