Hands-on and first impression of the Cubitus collection

[pav333hp]

Thank you Michael for sharing real pictures. I personally really like the 5821/1A and 5822P, and can't wait to try them on when our local Patek AD has them. I'd definitely like to add these to my collection over time, but I do agree that the Nautilus is the GOAT when it comes to sports watches, and it makes my 5811G so much more special. Either way, I'm looking forward trying these IRL over the next few weeks.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I totally agree with this. This design from the 70s stands the test of time and is still king of sport in my view (along with Royal Oak).

Though the Cubitus shares maybe 90% of Nautilus DNA, a slight tweak to the original design via the dimensions has caused such an uproar. When I first handled the Cubitus today, I immediately think of the Nautilus, which shows how similar they are. If I'm new to Patek or new to Nautilus, I would be more than happy to own a Cubitus because the best DNA are all shared like the bracelet, dial, bezel, hands, markers, adjustable deployant clasp, and movement.

Below pic is from Hodinkee. See how similar they are.

Side by side the size appears comparable.

Looks like a measurement (case/dial) from 12 to 6 would be equal between both?

But then again, the 5811 has already been upsized if I remember correctly?

[Ashj52]

If it had been a touch smaller I think many more would have appreciated it.

[jgottsman11]

If they would have made it smaller, it would've looked much better.

[ts3]

Originally Posted by subtona

But then again, the 5811 has already been upsized if I remember correctly?

Correct, 41mm rather than 40mm.

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by subtona

Side by side the size appears comparable.

Looks like a measurement (case/dial) from 12 to 6 would be equal between both?

But then again, the 5811 has already been upsized if I remember correctly?

I don't have the exact dimensions but the L2L of the Cubitus is only 46mm which should be ballpark of the 5811. Can anyone here confirm the L2L of the 5811 - mine is in deposit box? Visually the 12-6 are close.

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by pav333hp

Thank you Michael for sharing real pictures. I personally really like the 5821/1A and 5822P, and can't wait to try them on when our local Patek AD has them. I'd definitely like to add these to my collection over time, but I do agree that the Nautilus is the GOAT when it comes to sports watches, and it makes my 5811G so much more special. Either way, I'm looking forward trying these IRL over the next few weeks.

HK AD will get them tomorrow, and the rest of the world should follow soon. You will be surprised by the 5822 - the heft is very noticeable. Yes do try them on and let us know how you think about it.

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by ts3

The uproar is not about the quality of the watch itself. It is about having set expectations very high and then disappointing those expectations with an astonishing lack of creativity. If the new model wasn't just a slightly more square variant of the Nautilus disguised by a less than ideal new name people might have been more forgiving.

Yes I think the lack of creativity and the close resemblance to the Nautilus might be a trigger. I had a chat with my collector friends and the consensus is there is nothing more to "invent" where watches are concerned unless Patek goes the MB&F Horological Machine route which is hard to fathom for a brand like Patek. Every new watch looks like another existing watch in the market. Circle shape, tonneau shape, square, triangle or rectangular all have been done. Maybe Patek could have used new dials, markers, bracelets, case and hands for Cubitus instead for this new release, but the success of Nautilus is hard to ignore and the continuation of that same DNA is a safe haven for them. It's almost risk-free.

[fredfiga]

It’s a big, overpriced collection that lacks imagination.

After much anticipation and expectation, it leaves me with a bittersweet feeling. It could have been epic, with a diver or sports chrono, but it’s just more of the same, in a worse form. Thierry’s decisions are based on the assumption that we’ll love anything from Patek Philippe.

On the other hand, I’m very happy because I already have, to my taste, the three most amazing sports watches ever made by Patek Philippe: the 5066, the 5164A, and the 5711.

It's very nice to know that I won’t be lamenting not being able to buy new watches from them.

[Carlazzo]

Thank you Ichi.... always really kind.

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by ts3

The uproar is not about the quality of the watch itself. It is about having set expectations very high and then disappointing those expectations with an astonishing lack of creativity. If the new model wasn't just a slightly more square variant of the Nautilus disguised by a less than ideal new name people might have been more forgiving.

Exactly. Additionally, as Ichiran points out, the Cubitus seems to share 90% of its DNA with the Nautilus which begs the question, why bother with a new design at all? Customers didn't seem to be unhappy with the 5711.
The Cubitus release only serves to emphasize that watch collectors who value innovative design for sport watches need to go Independent.

[Vipes]

IMO, would look better if they lose the ears on the sides of the case. It would look more streamlined and flows better with the bracelet.

[D_Rolex]

Thank you for sharing OP and the notes. Great pictures.


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[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by ikincooper

The disc with the 1 on it looks like it just needs to rotate a little more clockwise to bring it into proper alignment.

Yeah but it’s been stuck there for eight days presumably.

[sampelligrino]

Originally Posted by ButtButt

Thanks for sharing. I can't imagine these would be any easier to get if you can't get a Nautilus or Aquanaut.

I am sure Patek is already starting to feel pangs of regret, and yet they will make these pieces appear hard to obtain to extract maximum value out of the model even though I'd wager demand will be far less than Naut/Aqua

[sampelligrino]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Yes I think the lack of creativity and the close resemblance to the Nautilus might be a trigger. I had a chat with my collector friends and the consensus is there is nothing more to "invent" where watches are concerned unless Patek goes the MB&F Horological Machine route which is hard to fathom for a brand like Patek. Every new watch looks like another existing watch in the market. Circle shape, tonneau shape, square, triangle or rectangular all have been done. Maybe Patek could have used new dials, markers, bracelets, case and hands for Cubitus instead for this new release, but the success of Nautilus is hard to ignore and the continuation of that same DNA is a safe haven for them. It's almost risk-free.

This is what bothers me the most

It's a complete about face. Thierry gave the famous interview where he declared that he does not want Patek to be known as the Nautilus company, boldly declares the 5711 done in line with that, and then turns literally right around and has the elves in the factory clone the Nautilus, just make it square, and release it for the first new model in 25 years...

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by sampelligrino

This is what bothers me the most

It's a complete about face. Thierry gave the famous interview where he declared that he does not want Patek to be known as the Nautilus company, boldly declares the 5711 done in line with that, and then turns literally right around and has the elves in the factory clone the Nautilus, just make it square, and release it for the first new model in 25 years...

Patek is not a Nautilus company. Just look at Russell's 5178G - how many collectors would want a Nautilus over that spendid 5178G? How about 5531, 5316, 5303, 6300, 6301, the list goes on. Then the rare handcrafts and enamel worldtime come to my mind. Plus those beautiful chronograph, split-second, and perpetual chronograph.. these watches are all in the collection along with the Cubitus and Nautilus. I would be more concerned if Patek discontinue all the dress watches and only sell Nautilus going forward. Market forces they can't control (demand for Nautilus) but they are still selling their brilliant dress watches alongside.

[djnick]

Seems like a watch that wasn’t necessary to create. Maybe they were too far into the R&D spend and decided to just bite the bullet and release at a time of year, which doesn’t make sense to release such a flagship watch

[boa2]

Thank you for posting these pics. Much appreciated.

[sampelligrino]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Patek is not a Nautilus company. Just look at Russell's 5178G - how many collectors would want a Nautilus over that spendid 5178G? How about 5531, 5316, 5303, 6300, 6301, the list goes on. Then the rare handcrafts and enamel worldtime come to my mind. Plus those beautiful chronograph, split-second, and perpetual chronograph.. these watches are all in the collection along with the Cubitus and Nautilus. I would be more concerned if Patek discontinue all the dress watches and only sell Nautilus going forward. Market forces they can't control (demand for Nautilus) but they are still selling their brilliant dress watches alongside.

I disagree, but that's the beauty of debate and discussion online. To me, Cubitus represents Patek moving the slider more towards hype/steel pieces and cloning the Nautilus formula. We know they will produce far more Cubitus than 5178G, and again I don't see why Thierry would say we don't want to be a Nautilus company and then literally recreate the Nautilus for it's new "entry level" model. He's a smart man, so I don't get it at all, the case bracelet clasp dial are all identical save for "the cube". The dress pieces, to my uneducated guess, are likely dwindling in sales (and demand) compared against the Aqua + Naut, and this move will only push that further IMO

I would have far rather seen new Calatrava variants, maybe on rubber strap or interchangeable bracelet, as the new entry model release or something to harken back more to Patek's roots as a watchmaker and tie that in with current youth tastes, than another Nautilus spin albeit this time in far worse form..

[321Forever]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Patek is not a Nautilus company. Just look at Russell's 5178G - how many collectors would want a Nautilus over that spendid 5178G? How about 5531, 5316, 5303, 6300, 6301, the list goes on. Then the rare handcrafts and enamel worldtime come to my mind. Plus those beautiful chronograph, split-second, and perpetual chronograph.. these watches are all in the collection along with the Cubitus and Nautilus. I would be more concerned if Patek discontinue all the dress watches and only sell Nautilus going forward. Market forces they can't control (demand for Nautilus) but they are still selling their brilliant dress watches alongside.

I agree, and also this: None of us are privy to the details of their sales, development costs, and production costs. We also don't the details of their customer bases and how they are distributed in terms of geography, age, income level, style preferences, etc. Yet, Patek does have all of this info and they are definitely making very informed decisions about their catalogue.

Someone earlier posted that they are pivoting to SS models because dress watches have fallen out of favor. Your comment reflects how that is probably not true. The Stern family has been running an effective business for generations. So, it's best to conclude that their decision to create the Cubitus was a good one for Patek, and not some sort of bet-the-farm activity.

PS. I'm going to toss on my Calatrava today, lol.

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by sampelligrino

I disagree, but that's the beauty of debate and discussion online. To me, Cubitus represents Patek moving the slider more towards hype/steel pieces and cloning the Nautilus formula. We know they will produce far more Cubitus than 5178G, and again I don't see why Thierry would say we don't want to be a Nautilus company and then literally recreate the Nautilus for it's new "entry level" model. He's a smart man, so I don't get it at all, the case bracelet clasp dial are all identical save for "the cube". The dress pieces, to my uneducated guess, are likely dwindling in sales (and demand) compared against the Aqua + Naut, and this move will only push that further IMO

I would have far rather seen new Calatrava variants, maybe on rubber strap or interchangeable bracelet, as the new entry model release or something to harken back more to Patek's roots as a watchmaker and tie that in with current youth tastes, than another Nautilus spin albeit this time in far worse form..

Patek released some modern Calatrava 6007 just recently, and before that, 6119. They also released Complications and Grand Complications every year, sometimes twice a year.

They are not a Nautilus company you are alluding to simply because they release Cubitus yesterday to complement their full line up of watch collection. I can still buy a whole range of dress watches at their AD or Salons.

[raclaims]

Sooooo presume they offered you one...which one you picking??

[llngoc]

Thierry Stern claimed that this is a line with a new movement

I think people don’t like it not for what it is but the lack of imagination and effort are the main culprit.

[Champagnepapi]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Patek is not a Nautilus company. Just look at Russell's 5178G - how many collectors would want a Nautilus over that spendid 5178G? How about 5531, 5316, 5303, 6300, 6301, the list goes on. Then the rare handcrafts and enamel worldtime come to my mind. Plus those beautiful chronograph, split-second, and perpetual chronograph.. these watches are all in the collection along with the Cubitus and Nautilus. I would be more concerned if Patek discontinue all the dress watches and only sell Nautilus going forward. Market forces they can't control (demand for Nautilus) but they are still selling their brilliant dress watches alongside.

Referencing Patek’s grand complications, which can command prices north of $1 million, isn’t the right comparison here. Many, though not all, top-tier collectors I know only began acquiring grand complications when Patek watches became increasingly hard to get, especially alongside Rolex and AP - during the pandemic.

Btw- I know many people who had no idea about Patek and AP before the whole hype around the nautilus and RO started. Rolex is a GENIUS marketing- so even a person not into watches knows who they are the moment they exit their mother’s uterus.

Without the Nautilus and Aquanaut, Patek might (or might not) have been positioned amongst brands like VC, Breguet or JLC today—renowned for their exceptional high horology, masterful craftsmanship, complications and rich history, but largely appealing to an older, more traditional clientele, and lacking the widespread "hype."

While Patek claims it avoids working with brand ambassadors, and that approach is admirable, it's clear that the brand's modern prestige owes much to its two most coveted models, the Nautilus and Aquanaut. These designs have significantly contributed to Patek's current status among collectors and its elevated position in the luxury watch world. I’m not sure it’s the new ad for the cubitus that will market these pieces.. Thank you for the pictures and further feedback.



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[enthusiast]

The Decubitus line is PP's attempt to build on the desirability and market price of the Nautilus without drastically increasing the price of the 5711.

PP saw the prices on the gray market, got annoyed with the associated dilemma and wanted a piece of the pie.

So the 5711 had to die and after many years of development, the 5822 took its place.

[Vasco]

Thanks a lot Ichiran for the pictures and comments

Even if I'm too biased right now by the 5712 I own, I think the Cubitus might be a beautiful watch in real (judging from pics never does a watch justice).

It's of course much too big for me, even if I'm surprised by the 5711/Cubitus side by side picture.

Square watches don't appeal to most of the people in general. Especially in this size. But it might look elegant with a strong personality in real. Square watches in general and especially of that size are not designed to please the majority. I have the impression they stopped the men Gondolos that didn't sell well (even with a square shaped caliber) to leave room for this one, another interpretation of a shaped watch that could use the help of the Nautilus already shaping clients tastes.

It's a variation of the Nautilus that widens the offer.

And people are much louder on aesthetics (always the same scenario when novelties are launched) than on technical aspects. And people are much less vocal when they like the watch or when Patek brings case diversity, complexity especially or dial color skills. These are main elements Patek masters greatly in their established traditional field.

Cheers Michael.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by Vasco

Thanks a lot Ichiran for the pictures and comments

Even if I'm too biased right now by the 5712 I own, I think the Cubitus might be a beautiful watch in real (judging from pics never does a watch justice).

It's of course much too big for me, even if I'm surprised by the 5711/Cubitus side by side picture.

Square watches don't appeal to most of the people in general. Especially in this size. But it might look elegant with a strong personality in real. Square watches in general and especially of that size are not designed to please the majority. I have the impression they stopped the men Gondolos that didn't sell well (even with a square shaped caliber) to leave room for this one, another interpretation of a shaped watch that could use the help of the Nautilus already shaping clients tastes.

It's a declination of the Nautilus that widens the offer.

And people a much louder on aesthetics always the same scenario when novelties are launched) than on technical aspects. And people are much less vocal when they like the watch or when Patek brings case diversity, complexity especially or dial color skills. These are mane elements Patek rules in their established traditional field.

Cheers Michael.

Fitting an old round caliber into a square case is not very technical. Especially he specifically said on the website that it is with a new movement. Even the 5822P is not really a new movement but just another 240 based derivative.

I am still waiting for a proper 96 re-make.

[ts3]

Originally Posted by Vasco

It's of course much too big for me, even if I'm surprised by the 5711/Cubitus side by side picture.

The side by side picture in this thread shows Cubitus vs 5811. The size difference would be larger if Hodinkee had used a 5711/12 for the comparison.

[scurfa]

Originally Posted by llngoc

Fitting an old round caliber into a square case is not very technical. Especially he specifically said on the website that it is with a new movement. Even the 5822P is not really a new movement but just another 240 based derivative.

I am still waiting for a proper 96 re-make.

Unfortunately I don’t think your getting one, for me Patek died the day they discontinued the 5196, nothing they have done since can convince me otherwise.