My Issues with 12 Series Subs

[Hollie_Rollie]

Originally Posted by jamesgames

Last I checked this was a discussion forum.

You couldve just moved on instead of wasted a post as well.

But ugh, thanks?

Yeap you are correct. Discussion forum for sharing personal preferences. But thank you for the measurements.

And you’re welcome


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[Greg.A]

Originally Posted by jamesgames

The lug to lug on the case between the GMT 126710 and the 41 Sub is the same basically. The 40 vs 41 measurement is actually 40.3 for the GMT so it gets rounded down to a 40mm, and the 41mm measurement on the sub is actually 40.6mm and rounded up to 41mm.

Basically the difference is very small.

Facts..but people gets mislead

[alphadweller]

Non issues. Yes, the clasp is big, but I don't see it most of the time, so I don't care. Wider endlinks, big deal. My only gripe with the Sub41 is the movement, if that. I prefer the 3135.

[DoctorSpazz]

Originally Posted by alphadweller

Non issues. Yes, the clasp is big, but I don't see it most of the time, so I don't care. Wider endlinks, big deal. My only gripe with the Sub41 is the movement, if that. I prefer the 3135.

Why would you prefer a movement with a smaller power reserve?


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[slide13]

Originally Posted by DoctorSpazz

Why would you prefer a movement with a smaller power reserve?


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The 31xx movements have a long track record of solid and dependable performance. The 32XX had some issues early on that seem like they’ve been resolved…maybe…hopefully. Mine is running consistently -1-2 for a good 15mo or so now. But, if I could choose now I’d take the know reliability of the 31xx myself. Love my 126610 and if the movement keeps running consistently then I’m a happy guy. It’s my only point of concern with the 12 series but hopefully it’s resolved now

[cascadez71]

Originally Posted by DoctorSpazz

Why would you prefer a movement with a smaller power reserve?


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Reliability. 32xx series seems to be not only require substantially early service (repair? part replacement?) but new models still seem to demonstrate very inconsistent and occasionally poor readings on timeographers. I have hope they will magically fix this with a million movements being cranked out year after year, but I am starting to think a 33xx based off a newer Tudor movement may be the only real "fix".

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by DoctorSpazz

Why would you prefer a movement with a smaller power reserve?


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There is another thread you should check out.

[Krash]

So much whining and complaining on this thread over nothing.


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[Lol-x]

41 & 21 is the golden size and proportion.

You can't argue with the judge....

[DoctorSpazz]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

41 & 21 is the golden size and proportion.

You can't argue with the judge....

My box of 20 mm watch straps says different


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[cascadez71]

Clasp length seems to be the same between 11 and 12. I think it is a visual thing because of increased width and slimmed lugs together making the clasp seem substantially bigger.

Side note for those with small wrists: The 11 series has only 3 non-removable links on each side while the 12 has 3 on 6 oclock and 4 on 12 oclock.

[Lesnerelli23]

I will jump on every single 12 v 11 thread I see on TRF to say 11 is my all time favorite.

It’s unique and that makes me appreciate it very much! No mistaking it for an Invicta Pro Diver.


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[Kenny G]

It’s really splitting hairs between the two as it’s literally a matter of 1-2mm here or there.

I prefer the 11. The 12 is just as chunky overall with an even wider bracelet and clasp. The lugs were only thinned by hollowing out the insides more and adding a wider bracelet. The overall width is no slimmer and the case is slightly larger.

I would get a 5 digit if I wanted a slimmer case and profile but there’s nothing wrong with the 12. It’s a matter of preference..

[PepsiBezel]

Originally Posted by Kenny G

It’s really splitting hairs between the two as it’s literally a matter of 1-2mm here or there.

I prefer the 11. The 12 is just as chunky overall with an even wider bracelet and clasp. The lugs were only thinned by hollowing out the insides more and adding a wider bracelet. The overall width is no slimmer and the case is slightly larger.

I would get a 5 digit if I wanted a slimmer case and profile but there’s nothing wrong with the 12. It’s a matter of preference..

This is not accurate.

The lugs on the 12XXXX are about 1.1mm thinner when measured across the outer edges of the lugs, plus the 1mm thinner when measured across the inner lugs.



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[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by PepsiBezel

This is not accurate.

The lugs on the 12XXXX are about 1.1mm thinner when measured across the outer edges of the lugs, plus the 1mm thinner when measured across the inner lugs.

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Credit: Crown & Caliber at https://youtu.be/C6rJ0qfcgeg?si=aWeYRIyFZAJ_rqhi

I'd love the same measurements for the 11 and 12 series GMT.

[Osmin]

The 124060 is perfect. Way better than the 114060.
This of course is very subjective. I also had the 14060M.
This is the best submariner. Yet. ;)

P.S. Yes, the clasp could be a bit shorter for my taste, but I love the Glidelock