32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Maybe they got a "talkin' to"

I have heard this to be the truth

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by 5513-L Series

Wasn’t the 3230 movement just released last Sept?

Yep

and it's running insanely well at the moment. I certainly hope it stays that way.

my issue is with a Sept 19 DJ36

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

I have heard this to be the truth

Yeah wouldn't shock me...

[HiBoost]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Maybe they got a "talkin' to"

That's exactly what I've been thinking... in reality you'd have to think the posting of damage pictures and discussing of internal problems would be strictly forbidden by a company as secretive as Rolex. I sure hope if this did happen it was just a talking, and not a dismissal.

[francis]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

That's exactly what I've been thinking... in reality you'd have to think the posting of damage pictures and discussing of internal problems would be strictly forbidden by a company as secretive as Rolex. I sure hope if this did happen it was just a talking, and not a dismissal.

Well let’s just hope that they didn’t use their real names and actual Rolex service place they worked at

[Lol-x]

My 32XX movement watch just took 77 winding turns with 2 fingers to be fully wound from zero reserve. So no longer can you say 30 turns will give you a fully wound watch.

[saxo3]

I thought it could be interesting to compare winding of the 32xx movements with my Sea-Dweller Ref. 1665 (caliber 1570) from the mid 1970's.

After a complete stop (for some weeks) and shaking the watch only a tiny bit, it started running immediately, without any movement winding.

I kept in on my wrist for 1 hour and measured the 1570 caliber rates and amplitudes every 15 min. in dial up position. The results are as follows:

After a tiny shake, no winding:
- 0 min: 137 degr.

Wearing on my wrist (w/o winding) for:
- 15 min: + 9 s/d, 210 degr.
- 30 min: + 9 s/d, 225 degr.
- 45 min: + 9 s/d, 246 degr.
- 60 min: + 11 s/d, 264 degr.

After full winding: + 12 s/d, 292 degr.
After 10 hours at rest: + 9 s/d, 278 degr.

The beat error value was 0.3 ms (max).
The power reserve is about 49 hours.

[HiBoost]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

My 32XX movement watch just took 77 winding turns with 2 fingers to be fully wound from zero reserve. So no longer can you say 30 turns will give you a fully wound watch.

I had seen other report 40ish winds used to do it, and now it's in the 70s by a few accounts. So they've almost got it 1 wind per hour of power reserve which is kind of neat. On mine I have not been able to determine when it is fully wound. There is no difference in feel and even holding it up to my ear I don't hear a different sound at any point. I've gone past 80 winds and it just stays the same... was yours pretty obvious or was it a really subtle difference beyond 77?

[Lol-x]

The difference in feel is quite obvious when the watch is fully wound.

At the point when it becomes fully wound the feel between the fingers goes from a totally smooth but solid resistance to a slightly scratchy resistance. You can feel it if you wind slowly.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

I had seen other report 40ish winds used to do it, and now it's in the 70s by a few accounts. So they've almost got it 1 wind per hour of power reserve which is kind of neat. On mine I have not been able to determine when it is fully wound. There is no difference in feel and even holding it up to my ear I don't hear a different sound at any point. I've gone past 80 winds and it just stays the same... was yours pretty obvious or was it a really subtle difference beyond 77?

I find the count weird in that it would hugely depend on how large your thumbs are.

[HiBoost]

Originally Posted by amanbra

I find the count weird in that it would hugely depend on how large your thumbs are.

I think the crown guards help normalize it across different people. They basically act as bumpers to limit the single wind motion so you aren't "maxing out a thumb's worth" in any case. At least that's how it feels when I wind.

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[Andad]

I checked my DJ41 using visual 360 degree revolutions of the crown and it required 40 from zero PR until could feel the spring slip.

[77T]

Originally Posted by Andad

I checked my DJ41 using visual 360 degree revolutions of the crown and it required 40 from zero PR until could feel the spring slip.

Good work


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[saxo3]

One could mark the crown with a pen (removable), count the 360 winding turns, and measure e.g. every 5 or 10 turns the amplitude, not difficult. Would anyone like me to do this for you?
PS: the answer how many turns from 0 to full PR is already given in #612, for a DJ41 it's 40 turns.

[saxo3]

I have been asked by one of the participants in this thread which posts delivered data for various movement positions; here are the post numbers:

#11 saxo3
#153,154 Michael
#197 saxo3
#276 Michael
#347 Andad
#466 saxo3

One comparison between 53 and 55 degrees lift angle is here:
#474 saxo3

[CaveDweller]

So now all we have to do is to differentiate the results by the brand of testing device, cross referenced to how big your thumbs are, multiplied by the length of time since the last service over year of manufacture

Can't help feeling there should be a rabbit down here somewhere ....

[peterskinner]

I get this mental image of Rolex technicians giggling at this thread while they eat their sandwiches. A bit of light entertainment.
‘Hey, you’ll never guess what those guys on TRF have come up with now’.

[Robf52]

Are we really still doing this?

[WalterE]

Originally Posted by peterskinner

I get this mental image of Rolex technicians giggling at this thread while they eat their sandwiches. A bit of light entertainment.
‘Hey, you’ll never guess what those guys on TRF have come up with now’.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Robf52

Are we really still doing this?

Welcome, your first contribution here
You have all these watches with 32xx calibers?
126600
126610LV
126622
126331
126334
126710BLNR
126711CHNR
Why you don't report your experiences?

[Driver8]

Originally Posted by peterskinner

I get this mental image of Rolex technicians giggling at this thread while they eat their sandwiches. A bit of light entertainment.
‘Hey, you’ll never guess what those guys on TRF have come up with now’.

Yes, I love imagining that my SD is losing over 10 seconds a day. It's all in my head obviously. No such thing as a possible movement issue. It's all a big conspiracy by the 101 people here who've experienced this problem to give Rolex Technicians a good ol' belly laugh.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Driver8

Yes, I love imagining that my SD is losing over 10 seconds a day. It's all in my head obviously. No such thing as a possible movement issue. It's all a big conspiracy by the 101 people here who've experienced this problem to give Rolex Technicians a good ol' belly laugh.

Magnifique

[ofelas]

I'm with you here.

A watch that noticeably loses enough time every month that's barely caught at a potential calendar change is no timepiece at all.

100% agreed about missed flight times especially in these days of super stacked connecting hustles.

A $15 Timex would allow us to grab that last boarding lounge pint with less stress.

Originally Posted by Driver8

Sorry, I know I shouldn't bite, but..... I just can't subscribe to the "just wear it no matter what the timekeeping is like" school of thought. You don't need a timegrapher (and nor do I own one) to tell if your watch is losing multiple seconds a day. Since my own SD43 is currently losing 10 seconds a day, I can very easily see that when I'm 5 mins late for meetings/trains/flights etc, at the end of a typical month.

When people are losing upwards of 20 to 30 seconds a day it quickly renders a watch as little more than a decorative bracelet - an expensive piece of costume jewellery. Losing 20 to 30 secs a day means you're off by 10 to 15 mins at the end of a typical month.

We may as well just pull the crown out and know that our watches are right twice a day!

Originally Posted by Driver8

Yes, I love imagining that my SD is losing over 10 seconds a day. It's all in my head obviously. No such thing as a possible movement issue. It's all a big conspiracy by the 101 people here who've experienced this problem to give Rolex Technicians a good ol' belly laugh.

[Robf52]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Welcome, your first contribution here
You have all these watches with 32xx calibers?
126600
126610LV
126622
126331
126334
126710BLNR
126711CHNR
Why you don't report your experiences?

All the watches are running within +-2 sec/day. No complaints.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Robf52

All the watches are running within +-2 sec/day. No complaints.

Congratulations!
Do I understand it right, you say all your 7 watches with 32xx calibers are running within an accuracy of -2/+2 sec/day?

[JoseR]

Originally Posted by Smobews

That is spectacular!!

Here are my latest results when I was testing the power reserve. Resting dial up, noted after hours past:

0 2.1 spd
10 1.5 spd
34 0.1 spd
48 -1.0 spd
58 -5.8 spd

watch stopped after 72.5 hours

My point was that there is inconsistency as the spring releases. The accuracy will wain over time. (it's still spectacular)

I tried testing the PR on my DJ41, below are the results.

2/23 from complete stop wind @63 times until I felt a little resistant the watch was not touched until it stopped. Start 3:15 P.M.

2/24 9:43 A.M. -2

2/25 9:40 A.M. -2, 9:40 P.M. -1

2/26 9:20 A.M. -3

2/26 2:10 P.M. watch stopped. So I figure PR was @ 69 hours. Might have been more but I didn't want to wind it more than 63 times even though I know you can't over wind it. Just being careful. I was impressed that it stayed within specs without moving the watch. So, for now my 3235 is running good..

[Robf52]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Congratulations!
Do I understand it right, you say all your 7 watches with 32xx calibers are running within an accuracy of -2/+2 sec/day?

You understand correctly.

[goodolejr]

Originally Posted by Robf52

You understand correctly.

What luck! Time to start buying some lottery tickets.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by saxo3

One could mark the crown with a pen (removable), count the 360 winding turns, and measure e.g. every 5 or 10 turns the amplitude, not difficult. Would anyone like me to do this for you?
PS: the answer how many turns from 0 to full PR is already given in #612, for a DJ41 it's 40 turns.

There is a crown on the crown so I ummm used that as a reference?

[Andad]

Originally Posted by JoseR

I tried testing the PR on my DJ41, below are the results.

2/23 from complete stop wind @63 times until I felt a little resistant the watch was not touched until it stopped. Start 3:15 P.M.

2/24 9:43 A.M. -2

2/25 9:40 A.M. -2, 9:40 P.M. -1

2/26 9:20 A.M. -3

2/26 2:10 P.M. watch stopped. So I figure PR was @ 69 hours. Might have been more but I didn't want to wind it more than 63 times even though I know you can't over wind it. Just being careful. I was impressed that it stayed within specs without moving the watch. So, for now my 3235 is running good..

Most have good results when dial up.

Try it again crown down?