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Old 24 November 2024, 11:38 PM   #601
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The brand has lost
Doing anything for a buck
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Big discounts pending on pre loved watches in general
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Old 27 November 2024, 02:11 AM   #602
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Like the unique editions for Mayer and Travis they made platinum edition unique piece for Kaws and some yellow gold for "friends and family"... so we will not see any of these for sale... or wait... AP family and friends are not among the loyal ones, so these yg will welcome the gray market soon...

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Old 27 November 2024, 06:30 AM   #603
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I would love a platinum 16202.
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Old 27 November 2024, 01:01 PM   #604
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I would love a platinum 16202.
+1 The X X is a little distracting, but I wouldn’t mind for a platinum piece.
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Old 27 November 2024, 01:19 PM   #605
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as opposed to...? patek which has everything except the nautilus under retail and just released a very creative square nautilus or rolex which has everything except like 4 steel watches under retail? lol
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Old 27 November 2024, 03:35 PM   #606
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I would love a platinum 16202.
Here you go...much better

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Old 27 November 2024, 09:27 PM   #607
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Old 27 November 2024, 11:12 PM   #608
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Big discounts pending on pre loved watches in general

Honestly some of the recent things were hit or miss (don't really like the 16202 Kaws AT ALL).

That said, I'd prefer they try things out vs Paket which after 25y could basically muster up the creative strength to make their Nautilus square or Rolex, which pretends to be groundbreaking by changing the lugs of their existing watch by 0.3mm per iteration...
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Old 28 November 2024, 12:08 AM   #609
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Any updates to 150th anniversary?
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Old 28 November 2024, 02:38 AM   #610
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Here you go...much better

Whoa, speechless! This is a proper green dial piece!

What year is this from? A piece unique or limited edition??
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Old 28 November 2024, 03:30 AM   #611
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LOL
Big discounts pending on pre loved watches in general
Great insight as ever

Good job you’re not bitter and twisted…….
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Old 28 November 2024, 04:37 AM   #612
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Whoa, speechless! This is a proper green dial piece!



What year is this from? A piece unique or limited edition??
50th anniversary, not limited to certain number as I know... insane watch for sure...

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Old 28 November 2024, 10:18 AM   #613
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50th anniversary, not limited to certain number as I know... insane watch for sure...

It was actually introduced one year prior to the 50th anni as the 15202pt. Then had a one year run as the 50th for the 16202 before discontinuation.

The platinum is sublime in person along with the weight of the watch, quite splendid, was able to try it on when they launched the 50th collection in 2022. Dial does remind me of a radar sonar screen though. I've seen them now go for ~$160-$170k which I think is a great value and hidden gem. Would love to add one in the future, would pair well with the 15202bc.
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Old 28 November 2024, 10:34 AM   #614
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It was actually introduced one year prior to the 50th anni as the 15202pt. Then had a one year run as the 50th for the 16202 before discontinuation.

The platinum is sublime in person along with the weight of the watch, quite splendid, was able to try it on when they launched the 50th collection in 2022. Dial does remind me of a radar sonar screen though. I've seen them now go for ~$160-$170k which I think is a great value and hidden gem. Would love to add one in the future, would pair well with the 15202bc.

Never knew this existed. What was the retail on it ?
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Old 28 November 2024, 11:04 AM   #615
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It was actually introduced one year prior to the 50th anni as the 15202pt. Then had a one year run as the 50th for the 16202 before discontinuation.

The platinum is sublime in person along with the weight of the watch, quite splendid, was able to try it on when they launched the 50th collection in 2022. Dial does remind me of a radar sonar screen though. I've seen them now go for ~$160-$170k which I think is a great value and hidden gem. Would love to add one in the future, would pair well with the 15202bc.
Pretty much the perfect complication, dial and material here. Incredible dial
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Old 28 November 2024, 11:08 AM   #616
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Although I’ve always loved this iteration too;

https://www.audemarspiguet.com/com/e...1240XT.01.html
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Old 28 November 2024, 11:24 AM   #617
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Never knew this existed. What was the retail on it ?
~90k CHF for the 15202pt, can't recall on the 16202pt but I would suspect closer to ~100k-110k CHF (price hike + 50th + new movement), believe it was POR.

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Pretty much the perfect complication, dial and material here. Incredible dial
Amen!
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Old 28 November 2024, 04:13 PM   #618
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Although I’ve always loved this iteration too;

https://www.audemarspiguet.com/com/e...1240XT.01.html
That's my grail for 16202 series.
Would love to see how hard BMG material is
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Old 1 December 2024, 02:00 AM   #619
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It was actually introduced one year prior to the 50th anni as the 15202pt. Then had a one year run as the 50th for the 16202 before discontinuation.

The platinum is sublime in person along with the weight of the watch, quite splendid, was able to try it on when they launched the 50th collection in 2022. Dial does remind me of a radar sonar screen though. I've seen them now go for ~$160-$170k which I think is a great value and hidden gem. Would love to add one in the future, would pair well with the 15202bc.
Totally forgot the 15202 run... here is another double balance variant... emerald this time...

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Old 1 December 2024, 05:42 AM   #620
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Are there too many double balance variations?
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Old 1 December 2024, 06:35 AM   #621
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Are there too many double balance variations?
Yes, it was just todays discussion on one big collector IG page... he counted 31 variations of double balance, 24 in 41 and 7 in 37mm...
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Old 2 December 2024, 03:09 AM   #622
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Yes, it was just todays discussion on one big collector IG page... he counted 31 variations of double balance, 24 in 41 and 7 in 37mm...
Horology ancienne. I think he is right. And he was not the only one
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Old 2 December 2024, 01:14 PM   #623
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Horology ancienne. I think he is right. And he was not the only one
I read the original post. What is the argument? Same total production, more variants = less collectibility. I could say, same total production, more variants = more collectibility, and it would be just as well argued (i.e., not much at all).
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I read the original post. What is the argument? Same total production, more variants = less collectibility. I could say, same total production, more variants = more collectibility, and it would be just as well argued (i.e., not much at all).
The argument is probably that the more special editions there are (like with Grand Seiko or Omega), the less special any particular edition would be, in that more people would have a special edition even if not the exact same configuration. For some that would make it less collectable, but for people who are able to buy every variant of the openworked that may make it more collectable.
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I am not anti special edition from someone like AP. For me, it is just more chance that they will make the exact configuration that I want to buy and wear.
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Old 3 December 2024, 01:27 PM   #626
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The argument is probably that the more special editions there are (like with Grand Seiko or Omega), the less special any particular edition would be, in that more people would have a special edition even if not the exact same configuration. For some that would make it less collectable, but for people who are able to buy every variant of the openworked that may make it more collectable.
this.

I'll take it a little further and say that the more special editions there are in the industry, it makes ALL special editions / limited editions less special. all the 250 production runs from AP doesn't mean anything when there are so many not just from AP, but from other brands "greater" or "lesser" than AP

I also think 1 of 1's are becoming less prestigious when so many people have a 1 of 1. and clearly, the significance of a 1 of 1 goes down the toilet when guys like Stalone and Brady just dump their pieces without even wearing them. I don't know these guys obviously, but if they don't even respect a watch made just for them, why should we?
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First lives of white ceramic db... the aventurine part is too small and covered in markers so the texture can't be noticable... pretty much a waste of material...

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Old 5 December 2024, 02:35 PM   #628
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First lives of white ceramic db... the aventurine part is too small and covered in markers so the texture can't be noticable... pretty much a waste of material...

Still an amazing piece. I’m glad they did the DB in the white ceramic. It looks amazing.

This might have been either a top collectors piece which I heard there is one that was designed buy a group of top collectors invited to AP factory and allowed to design one watch for the group or that art exhibit Either way can’t wait to see these hit the market place.
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Maybe photos don’t do it justice but feels a bit underwhelming…renders might look better at this point
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Old 6 December 2024, 02:30 AM   #630
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I read the original post. What is the argument? Same total production, more variants = less collectibility. I could say, same total production, more variants = more collectibility, and it would be just as well argued (i.e., not much at all).
I get what you are saying, but I think overall, the more itterations you make of something special, something limited, the less desireable it becomes.
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