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Cocobaci · 11 January 2010, 06:33 PM

Good to hear. I havent had any luck myself... Great to hear it has all worked out.

Tombstone · 11 January 2010, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

The decision to charge him or not will not be mine. The SCSP officer stated that county prosecutors will make the decision, but the fact that Hayes has no prior criminal convictions and I have/will have received my goods and money back will lessen the likelihood that he will be charged. He also stated that though twelve grand is a lot of money to me and him, it is chump change in terms of other active internet fraud cases, and the small amount won't draw much attention from prosecutors.

There's an old prayer that applies: "grant me the serenity to accept the things cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference." This is out of my hands.

A quote I once read went something like this. Every man, woman, and juvenile which sits in a court room, jail, prison, or is picking up trash on the side of a highway first dealt with a law enforcement officer to get where he/she is. The fact the jails, prisons, and courts are full and over crowding is the result of diligent police and their hard working law enforcement efforts. I agree

God bless the few who protect us all. I am so very pleased for you Doc way to go.

joeychitwood · 15 January 2010, 02:14 AM

$3,800 has just been returned to my bank account! New scams being perpetrated by Andy Hayes have been discovered on other watch websites by very astute TRF members, and the authorities in South Carolina, which now include both the Richland County Sheriff's Department and the State Police, have been notified. The investigation has widened and continues. Thanks again for the support and assistance in ending this scam. Let's now send all of our good thoughts and wishes to Mosco in efforts to recover his stolen watch!

Skullring · 15 January 2010, 02:20 AM

Congratulations on getting your money back in addition to your watches. It is great to hear.

Czechman · 15 January 2010, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

Let's now send all of our good thoughts and wishes to Mosco in efforts to recover his stolen watch!

What's this? Mosco?
Did I miss something?
Details please.

tudorman8276 · 15 January 2010, 03:32 AM

...Joey, did you remove the case backs to assure the presence of the respective Genuine Rolex movements, and not some Chinese/Japanese junk (substitute)???

DSJ · 15 January 2010, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Czechman

What's this? Mosco?
Did I miss something?
Details please.

Here you go!
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=109660

sfm5s461 · 15 January 2010, 03:59 AM

What an amazing story - i have watching this almost since i joined and i am amazed at how everyone here came together to help out.

Mark, i am very happy you've gotten everything back!

joeychitwood · 15 January 2010, 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tudorman8276

...Joey, did you remove the case backs to assure the presence of the respective Genuine Rolex movements, and not some Chinese/Japanese junk (substitute)???

No, but the Submariner gained one second per day and the Datejust gained eight seconds per day before I shipped them, and they continue to gain the exact same amount now. I suppose it would be possible to adjust a cheap movement to do so, and you have made a good suggestion, so I will probably have them examined the next time I'm in Fargo.

Safetrends · 15 January 2010, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

No, but the Submariner gained one second per day and the Datejust gained eight seconds per day before I shipped them, and they continue to gain the exact same amount now. I suppose it would be possible to adjust a cheap movement to do so, and you have made a good suggestion, so I will probably have them examined the next time I'm in Fargo.

I posted that a while back to take them to a AD and have both checked out ASAP.

CaveDiver · 15 January 2010, 05:35 AM

Joey,
that is great news. I wonder how much longer he will have his job.

HDHNTER · 16 January 2010, 04:24 AM

Wish I had caught this thread earlier, unfortunately I rarely visit the WatchOut section. Has this been resolved yet? For what it's worth, Columbia is only a 40 minute drive from me, if I can be of assistance let me know.

Edit to add: had a chance to read further into the thread, very happy to hear your watches & cash were recovered!

User Name · 16 January 2010, 02:10 PM

Neither do I go into this section, but glad I did. I have learned so much from this forum, first they told me about rolex24h, luxery24h and all the other sites. Now this tool bag. I have been looking for a Rolex for the wifey and learned who to trust and feel glad for the DOC that everything worked out.

lavaman · 16 January 2010, 02:39 PM

Suggestions in My Most Humble Opinion

(lawyer and former cop here)

Post something in the "General Discussion Forum" clearly labeled, like "FRAUD JUST OCCURRED" or somesuch so ALL of us can see this. I didnt see any of this until just now b/c I wasn't "shopping". (i saw that there was a call for any legal eagles)

A suggestion, Doc: Right now, if you havent already, put a fraud alert on your credit at the 3 agencies. Can't be too careful and you dont know what this guy may have gained access to. It will, I beleive, expire after 3 months if you dont renew it. This way if anyone tries to open credit in your name, they have to call you first. (note the credit bureaus are somewhat hard to get ahold of)

WHEN THIS HAPPENS.....

After you call your bank IMMEDIATELY.....

(1) Post the "forum-wide" emergency alarm....

(2) Alert the bank you did the xfer to and "mark" the account (or close it). Get the names of everyone you talk to, aod document everything (time/date/person/phone number)

(3) Contact the local authorities immediately, and also the ones where the suspect lives. Even if you just file an information report to get something started, file it while the events are fresh in your mind. Let them fight out jurisdiction and what the susp is going to be charged with (D.A.s actually sort that out anyway).

NOTE that law enforcement has a lag time, so cover your ($$) assets first, e.g. triage first by stopping the money first (takes a few minutes), then try and track the guy down.

(4) Dont try to be lawyer or cop and talk yourself out of taking action. File a report. If it is interstate, it will get flagged as such by the LEOs. Let them do the work (and, no offense, but they aren't attorneys either, so dont take their -legal- advice as gospel). Dont worry if you dont use the right words or say the right things, or worry that the right kind of intent was formed or an overt act was committed or...blah blah. Just get action started fast. Besides, you will feel better.

Oh, and if the LEOs rock ass and do a great job, send their commander an at-a-boy. Lord knows when they get enough grief. A Kudos is always welcomed.

(5) You can always contact the local D.A.'s office and the state attorney general consumer protection division -after- you have called the bank.

(6) Obviously, contact TRF. Lots of helpful people here it seems.

(7) Any attorney will be happy to explain civil remedies to you.

joeychitwood · 16 January 2010, 04:29 PM

I posted a thread in the General Discussion forum linking to this thread so that those who don't regularly go to the WatchOut! forum can see and read the valuable information from other TRF members in the thread. Great idea, lavaman.

Jason71 · 22 January 2010, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

No, but the Submariner gained one second per day and the Datejust gained eight seconds per day before I shipped them, and they continue to gain the exact same amount now. I suppose it would be possible to adjust a cheap movement to do so, and you have made a good suggestion, so I will probably have them examined the next time I'm in Fargo.

If the criminal is not smart enough to use false name, address, etc............he surely is not smart enough to know anything about watch movements.

I am so happy that your money/watches were returned. Your story must be one in a million.

tudorman8276 · 22 January 2010, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

No, but the Submariner gained one second per day and the Datejust gained eight seconds per day before I shipped them, and they continue to gain the exact same amount now. I suppose it would be possible to adjust a cheap movement to do so, and you have made a good suggestion, so I will probably have them examined the next time I'm in Fargo.

...you are most likely....good to go...

dyphototeacher · 3 February 2010, 12:48 PM

I often visit four different watch forums regularly, but usually don't post.
I read all 36 pages of this post and felt that I had to register to comment.

I am very impressed with how the members of this forum worked together to support Joey in whatever way that they could. I think I will drop by more often - this seems to be a great place.

I'm also impressed with Joey's perspective throughout this saga. It is awful to lose some prized positions and hard earned money, but there certainly are more important things in life.

I'm glad that this worked out for Joey. He seems like a good man.

Earl Camembert · 6 February 2010, 02:47 PM

I just spent an hour reading this thread; amazing just amazing.

xxthe_remedyxx · 11 February 2010, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Camembert

I just spent an hour reading this thread; amazing just amazing.

Just did the same. I can't believe how stupid this guy was.

cronin · 12 February 2010, 11:42 PM

I see you are here in Minnesota so I may know someone willing to help. I had a similar problem with a fake Daytona a couple of years ago and got in contact with the local Apple Valley police department. An officer named Greg Spandel (not sure on the last name spelling) took it on and is a great guy. He got in contact with the other persons local police and I had the money back within a couple of weeks. The police took me down to fedex and shipped back the fake themselves and handed me the money. Anyway it may help, otherwise baseball bats are cheap.

joeychitwood · 13 February 2010, 02:59 AM

Thanks, cronin, but I did recover the watches and cash with the help of my local PD and the Richland County Sheriff's Department. All is well now.

cronin · 13 February 2010, 04:17 AM

good to hear. i guess the minnesota police are real pros at sorting out watch fraud

dj7u · 13 February 2010, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

$3,800 has just been returned to my bank account! New scams being perpetrated by Andy Hayes have been discovered on other watch websites by very astute TRF members, and the authorities in South Carolina, which now include both the Richland County Sheriff's Department and the State Police, have been notified. The investigation has widened and continues. Thanks again for the support and assistance in ending this scam. Let's now send all of our good thoughts and wishes to Mosco in efforts to recover his stolen watch!

Great news after all. I wasn't posting but praying for you.

mpkRolex · 26 February 2010, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

That's a good point and has been brought to my attention by others. For that reason, I'm only posting generalities about what has happened so far.

Sorry to hear about your story..it sucks and I do feel your pain. I was a victim of scam few years back buying a unlocked cellphone and I lost $300 in the Western Union transaction. That was the first and the last time I used Western union. I could never recoupe the money but learned an important lesson of my life. I pray to god that you recover your money back. I consider myself lucky to be a part of TRF and feel good that I have access to such valuable knowledge and information from its smart members.

Tunacan26 · 26 February 2010, 06:47 AM

Wow -- Sorry for all this hassle you went through. Scratching my head here, planning on maybe buying a Rolex from a TFR member fairly soon....Yikes.

a1beebo1 · 26 February 2010, 10:49 AM

Read this thread like a book! Great ending! One lucky guy!

Earl Camembert · 26 February 2010, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a1beebo1

Read this thread like a book! Great ending! One lucky guy!

Luck was maybe 10% TRF did all of the detective work and handed it to Law Enforcement on a silver platter.

I hope this never happens to myself especially if I know where they live. The best time to visit is during a heavy rain at night. No one hears things that go bump in the night and the dogs can't track one and helicopters are grounded.

about the visit not about the best time to visit.

julioa007 · 26 February 2010, 02:59 PM

I feel very sorry for you, I have had a bad experience in the past... since I only by form 'local dealers' or reputable top notch sellers on TRF, hope all goes well.

Earl Camembert · 26 February 2010, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by julioa007

I feel very sorry for you, I have had a bad experience in the past... since I only by form 'local dealers' or reputable top notch sellers on TRF, hope all goes well.

You didn't read it did you? Not even the post directly above yours.

15 January 2010, 02:20 AM	#694
Skullring "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Phillip Location: Alabama Watch: Triple 6 SD Posts: 1,720	Congratulations on getting your money back in addition to your watches. It is great to hear. __________________ It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye. - Antoine de Saint Exupéry

15 January 2010, 03:32 AM	#696
tudorman8276 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: STAN Location: KY-USA Watch: Rolex Prez Posts: 12,583	...FINARRY, I am happy for you... ...Joey, did you remove the case backs to assure the presence of the respective Genuine Rolex movements, and not some Chinese/Japanese junk (substitute)???

11 January 2010, 06:33 PM	#691
Cocobaci "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far far away Posts: 126	Good to hear. I havent had any luck myself... Great to hear it has all worked out.

15 January 2010, 02:14 AM	#693
joeychitwood "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Way Up North USA Watch: Rolexes & Tudors Posts: 6,361	$3,800 has just been returned to my bank account! New scams being perpetrated by Andy Hayes have been discovered on other watch websites by very astute TRF members, and the authorities in South Carolina, which now include both the Richland County Sheriff's Department and the State Police, have been notified. The investigation has widened and continues. Thanks again for the support and assistance in ending this scam. Let's now send all of our good thoughts and wishes to Mosco in efforts to recover his stolen watch!

15 January 2010, 03:59 AM	#698
sfm5s461 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Ed Ceraso Location: New York Watch: Red Submariner Posts: 55	What an amazing story - i have watching this almost since i joined and i am amazed at how everyone here came together to help out. Mark, i am very happy you've gotten everything back!

15 January 2010, 05:35 AM	#701
CaveDiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,075	Joey, that is great news. I wonder how much longer he will have his job.

16 January 2010, 04:24 AM	#702
HDHNTER "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Allen Location: SC Posts: 2,766	Wish I had caught this thread earlier, unfortunately I rarely visit the WatchOut section. Has this been resolved yet? For what it's worth, Columbia is only a 40 minute drive from me, if I can be of assistance let me know. Edit to add: had a chance to read further into the thread, very happy to hear your watches & cash were recovered!

16 January 2010, 02:10 PM	#703
User Name "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Neil Location: Ohio Watch: GmtIIc Posts: 142	Neither do I go into this section, but glad I did. I have learned so much from this forum, first they told me about rolex24h, luxery24h and all the other sites. Now this tool bag. I have been looking for a Rolex for the wifey and learned who to trust and feel glad for the DOC that everything worked out.

16 January 2010, 02:39 PM	#704
lavaman Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: The Airport Watch: what happens next Posts: 1,942	Suggestions in My Most Humble Opinion (lawyer and former cop here) Post something in the "General Discussion Forum" clearly labeled, like "FRAUD JUST OCCURRED" or somesuch so ALL of us can see this. I didnt see any of this until just now b/c I wasn't "shopping". (i saw that there was a call for any legal eagles) A suggestion, Doc: Right now, if you havent already, put a fraud alert on your credit at the 3 agencies. Can't be too careful and you dont know what this guy may have gained access to. It will, I beleive, expire after 3 months if you dont renew it. This way if anyone tries to open credit in your name, they have to call you first. (note the credit bureaus are somewhat hard to get ahold of) WHEN THIS HAPPENS..... After you call your bank IMMEDIATELY..... (1) Post the "forum-wide" emergency alarm.... (2) Alert the bank you did the xfer to and "mark" the account (or close it). Get the names of everyone you talk to, aod document everything (time/date/person/phone number) (3) Contact the local authorities immediately, and also the ones where the suspect lives. Even if you just file an information report to get something started, file it while the events are fresh in your mind. Let them fight out jurisdiction and what the susp is going to be charged with (D.A.s actually sort that out anyway). NOTE that law enforcement has a lag time, so cover your ($$) assets first, e.g. triage first by stopping the money first (takes a few minutes), then try and track the guy down. (4) Dont try to be lawyer or cop and talk yourself out of taking action. File a report. If it is interstate, it will get flagged as such by the LEOs. Let them do the work (and, no offense, but they aren't attorneys either, so dont take their -legal- advice as gospel). Dont worry if you dont use the right words or say the right things, or worry that the right kind of intent was formed or an overt act was committed or...blah blah. Just get action started fast. Besides, you will feel better. Oh, and if the LEOs rock ass and do a great job, send their commander an at-a-boy. Lord knows when they get enough grief. A Kudos is always welcomed. (5) You can always contact the local D.A.'s office and the state attorney general consumer protection division -after- you have called the bank. (6) Obviously, contact TRF. Lots of helpful people here it seems. (7) Any attorney will be happy to explain civil remedies to you.

16 January 2010, 04:29 PM	#705
joeychitwood "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Way Up North USA Watch: Rolexes & Tudors Posts: 6,361	I posted a thread in the General Discussion forum linking to this thread so that those who don't regularly go to the WatchOut! forum can see and read the valuable information from other TRF members in the thread. Great idea, lavaman.

3 February 2010, 12:48 PM	#708
dyphototeacher Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Toronto, ON Watch: Speedmaster 3572 Posts: 37	I often visit four different watch forums regularly, but usually don't post. I read all 36 pages of this post and felt that I had to register to comment. I am very impressed with how the members of this forum worked together to support Joey in whatever way that they could. I think I will drop by more often - this seems to be a great place. I'm also impressed with Joey's perspective throughout this saga. It is awful to lose some prized positions and hard earned money, but there certainly are more important things in life. I'm glad that this worked out for Joey. He seems like a good man.

6 February 2010, 02:47 PM	#709
Earl Camembert Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,858	I just spent an hour reading this thread; amazing just amazing.

12 February 2010, 11:42 PM	#711
cronin "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Drew Location: . Posts: 299	I see you are here in Minnesota so I may know someone willing to help. I had a similar problem with a fake Daytona a couple of years ago and got in contact with the local Apple Valley police department. An officer named Greg Spandel (not sure on the last name spelling) took it on and is a great guy. He got in contact with the other persons local police and I had the money back within a couple of weeks. The police took me down to fedex and shipped back the fake themselves and handed me the money. Anyway it may help, otherwise baseball bats are cheap.

13 February 2010, 02:59 AM	#712
joeychitwood "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Way Up North USA Watch: Rolexes & Tudors Posts: 6,361	Thanks, cronin, but I did recover the watches and cash with the help of my local PD and the Richland County Sheriff's Department. All is well now.

13 February 2010, 04:17 AM	#713
cronin "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Drew Location: . Posts: 299	good to hear. i guess the minnesota police are real pros at sorting out watch fraud

26 February 2010, 06:47 AM	#716
Tunacan26 Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Chuck Location: Florida Watch: Hulk, DJ, Bluesy Posts: 1,890	Wow -- Sorry for all this hassle you went through. Scratching my head here, planning on maybe buying a Rolex from a TFR member fairly soon....Yikes.

26 February 2010, 10:49 AM	#717
a1beebo1 Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Steve Location: new jersey Watch: Speedy moon watch Posts: 28	Read this thread like a book! Great ending! One lucky guy!

26 February 2010, 02:59 PM	#719
julioa007 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: JULIO Location: Melb - Australia Watch: 116523,16613,16800 Posts: 201	I feel very sorry for you, I have had a bad experience in the past... since I only by form 'local dealers' or reputable top notch sellers on TRF, hope all goes well.

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