new submariner date ceramic

[jameshe]

Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

I know very well , I have fond memories of going to Thirsk races on monday's , just around from your place . If it weren't for the weather , the food , pubs that closed at 11 ( 10h30 on sunday's) and that I split up with the girlfriend I would still be there . Miss a good pint of theakston's ...

Small world Tristan

[submariner16610]

i dont think visitors are allowed to go inside the factory..only ceo JJ IRANI is allowed to go there..

[RolexPete32]

OK so you got through the front desk with a camera? Even if you are a visiter and your friend works for them then where you asked at the front desk if you are carying any cell phones, cameras etc... ?

I deal with several companies and even the small guys want to know what I am bringing on the floor for obvious reasons.

[Defiancekofb]

Originally Posted by kahoot

I got a chance to go to rolex factory through my friend who works there and saw a dummy ceramic sub with brushed links and also an LV with ceramic bezal and brushed links.
so we might see the new sub with brused links.

I did as well, I had a Halloween mask of JJ on, and the guards at the Rolex factory let me right to the ceramic submariner as well as the LV submariner. Come to think of it, they even let me try the actual thing on! JJ has some pretty high clearance at the factory.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Defiancekofb

I did as well, I had a Halloween mask of JJ on, and the guards at the Rolex factory let me right to the ceramic submariner as well as the LV submariner. Come to think of it, they even let me try the actual thing on! JJ has some pretty high clearance at the factory.

Hope you remembered to shave your dome, buddy!!

[Brit78]

Who knows, but I'd have to see it to believe it.

[kahoot]

Hi,
I dont need to lie about this I went in with someone who works in rolex and was not allowed to take any pictures.
thats what I saw I dont have to make it up and I am not saying that this was the upcoming model.
it was just a dummy dispaly.
I hope this clears things a bit

[Xenophon]

PCL or non PCL I'm sure the new sub will be able to be used diving and for sitting behind a desk. Surely it's function counts more than its appearnace when it comes to any tool.

[avekat]

Seriously, i do not get the fuss about the PCL. The argument of PCL turning the sub into a dress watch, ignores the fact that the submariner is continuously becoming more and more of a dress watch already. It started with the date, the white gold indices/glossy dial and now the ceramic bezel (which is as much dress/form over function as PCL are IMO). PCL will just be another step in the direction the sub is already heading. I do not like it either but focusing on the PCL seems quite myopic to me. Rolex are targeting the large customer groups with some real money to spend, and that happens to be not divers, but old men behind a desk with a soft spot for shiny things. The GMT is an obvious victim of this and so will the sub be. What i would like is for rolex to offer the current ND sub with a matte dial and no white gold (similar for the old gmt II), and then bling up the date sub for people who like to tell themselves they got a masculine tool watch, but is still drawn towards shiny things.

(i may be a little straight forward, but i am trying to make my point clearly)

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by avekat

Seriously, i do not get the fuss about the PCL. The argument of PCL turning the sub into a dress watch, ignores the fact that the submariner is continuously becoming more and more of a dress watch already. It started with the date, the white gold indices/glossy dial and now the ceramic bezel (which is as much dress/form over function as PCL are IMO). PCL will just be another step in the direction the sub is already heading. I do not like it either but focusing on the PCL seems quite myopic to me. Rolex are targeting the large customer groups with some real money to spend, and that happens to be not divers, but old men behind a desk with a soft spot for shiny things. The GMT is an obvious victim of this and so will the sub be. What i would like is for rolex to offer the current ND sub with a matte dial and no white gold (similar for the old gmt II), and then bling up the date sub for people who like to tell themselves they got a masculine tool watch, but is still drawn towards shiny things.

(i may be a little straight forward, but i am trying to make my point clearly)

Great post.

[mike]

Originally Posted by avekat

Seriously, i do not get the fuss about the PCL. The argument of PCL turning the sub into a dress watch, ignores the fact that the submariner is continuously becoming more and more of a dress watch already. It started with the date, the white gold indices/glossy dial and now the ceramic bezel (which is as much dress/form over function as PCL are IMO). PCL will just be another step in the direction the sub is already heading. I do not like it either but focusing on the PCL seems quite myopic to me. Rolex are targeting the large customer groups with some real money to spend, and that happens to be not divers, but old men behind a desk with a soft spot for shiny things. The GMT is an obvious victim of this and so will the sub be. What i would like is for rolex to offer the current ND sub with a matte dial and no white gold (similar for the old gmt II), and then bling up the date sub for people who like to tell themselves they got a masculine tool watch, but is still drawn towards shiny things.

(i may be a little straight forward, but i am trying to make my point clearly)

Welcome. Well put.

[psv]

Originally Posted by avekat

Seriously, i do not get the fuss about the PCL. The argument of PCL turning the sub into a dress watch, ignores the fact that the submariner is continuously becoming more and more of a dress watch already. It started with the date, the white gold indices/glossy dial and now the ceramic bezel (which is as much dress/form over function as PCL are IMO). PCL will just be another step in the direction the sub is already heading. I do not like it either but focusing on the PCL seems quite myopic to me. Rolex are targeting the large customer groups with some real money to spend, and that happens to be not divers, but old men behind a desk with a soft spot for shiny things. The GMT is an obvious victim of this and so will the sub be. What i would like is for rolex to offer the current ND sub with a matte dial and no white gold (similar for the old gmt II), and then bling up the date sub for people who like to tell themselves they got a masculine tool watch, but is still drawn towards shiny things.

(i may be a little straight forward, but i am trying to make my point clearly)

While I agree with the logic in your argument, I would hate to see the Sub offered in PCL only. Someone who likes shiny dive-watches has obviously never dived around a hungry Barracuda...

Oh well, what they should really do, IMPO, is to introduce a 43mm Submariner with date, matte dial with minimal amount of text, no cyclops, slightly domed crystal, maxi hands, no silver on hour markers, 120 click non-ceramic bezel, in brushed metal with 22mm lugs with holes. Yummie! I'd trade my Deepsea for that one! :-)

[Ed Rooney]

Originally Posted by 1point4

While I agree with the logic in your argument, I would hate to see the Sub offered in PCL only. Someone who likes shiny dive-watches has obviously never dived around a hungry Barracuda...

Oh well, what they should really do, IMPO, is to introduce a 43mm Submariner with date, matte dial with minimal amount of text, no cyclops, slightly domed crystal, maxi hands, no silver on hour markers, 120 click non-ceramic bezel, in brushed metal with 22mm lugs with holes. Yummie! I'd trade my Deepsea for that one! :-)

You need a Seiko Sumo.

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by 1point4

While I agree with the logic in your argument, I would hate to see the Sub offered in PCL only. Someone who likes shiny dive-watches has obviously never dived around a hungry Barracuda...

It would be a revelation perhaps to discover who Rolex actually target for their Submariner watches.

[STEELINOX]

Not that it matters; but I believed the story kahoot !

[BlackpoolRolexCoaste]

Originally Posted by STEELINOX

Not that it matters; but I believed the story kahoot !

You still waiting for that fat git to come down your chimney......?

[STEELINOX]

Originally Posted by BlackpoolRolexCoaste

You still waiting for that fat git to come down your chimney......?

He came and left me a Booray Player, no ROLEX !

[psv]

a) highly unlikely that this happened. i work in high-tech, we work on ground-breaking innovations all the time. zero chance that you would show it to a friend or family, let alone someone who would go post on it on an internet forum.

b) civility should be the guiding light. low post count doesn't necessarily mean anything, there are a myriad of Rolex-related internet forums out there - you can't keep posting on them all the time (not if you have a full time job, family etc at least)

[Speed]

Originally Posted by 1point4

a) highly unlikely that this happened. i work in high-tech, we work on ground-breaking innovations all the time. zero chance that you would show it to a friend or family, let alone someone who would go post on it on an internet forum.

b) civility should be the guiding light. low post count doesn't necessarily mean anything, there are a myriad of Rolex-related internet forums out there - you can't keep posting on them all the time (not if you have a full time job, family etc at least)

Agreed. I worked in high-tech as well...which is why the story is semi-hard to believe.

A company as secretive as Rolex lets someone in to see an unreleased product? Never asked for an NDA - unless I missed it - which the OP has clearly violated if there was a NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement) executed.

No offense intended, really, I just don't have all the facts - or missed them.

[SSD]

Unlikely. Sounds impossible. But no way of verifying or disproving the story requires us a measure of civility and courtesy. That is the TRF I know. Even the tossers get respect around here.

NOW: The GMT and Sub are both tool watches. They have very different jobs. IMHO the PCL's belong on the GMT, but just do not look right on an SS Sub. And I hope there is an LV with a nice, dark green ceramic bezel! How superb would that look?

[avekat]

Originally Posted by 1point4

While I agree with the logic in your argument, I would hate to see the Sub offered in PCL only. Someone who likes shiny dive-watches has obviously never dived around a hungry Barracuda...

Somehow i would like to see the sub with PCL only hoping to see is fail sales-wise. Maybe then rolex realises the (in my eyes) problematic focus on luxury rather than tool watches. But i agree, i do not think PCL on a sub is a good idea (it was a different point i was making).

Originally Posted by SSD

Unlikely. Sounds impossible. But no way of verifying or disproving the story requires us a measure of civility and courtesy. That is the TRF I know. Even the tossers get respect around here.

NOW: The GMT and Sub are both tool watches. They have very different jobs. IMHO the PCL's belong on the GMT, but just do not look right on an SS Sub. And I hope there is an LV with a nice, dark green ceramic bezel! How superb would that look?

In my eyes the GMT originally was a tool watch. I would not call the GMTIIc a tool watch any more than i would call the all gold version of the sub a tool watch. I agree that the ceramic bezel and to some extent the PCL are pretty. But pretty is not what i am looking for in a rolex (not the sport line anyways).

Btw. another thread on this forum features a GMTIIc with a broken bezel from an encounter with a 13 year old (sorry to read that by the way). Not what i would expect from a tool watch costing several thousands of dollars.

[spuds]

Originally Posted by avekat

....Btw. another thread on this forum features a GMTIIc with a broken bezel from an encounter with a 13 year old (sorry to read that by the way). Not what i would expect from a tool watch costing several thousands of dollars.

absolutely agreed BUT can ANY Rolex REALLY be considered a "Tool Watch"??

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by spuds

absolutely agreed BUT can ANY Rolex REALLY be considered a "Tool Watch"??

You took the words right out of my mouth, buddy!!

It's the same damn question I keep asking these tossers again and again and again........

If you need a real TOOL watch, buy a damn Casio!! Why the hell would you want to go around bashing a Rolex worth thounsands of dollars?

Just don't get this TOOL watch stuff with expensive, high-end watches!!

[spuds]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

You took the words right out of my mouth, buddy!!

It's the same damn question I keep asking these tossers again and again and again........

If you need a real TOOL watch, buy a damn Casio!! Why the hell would you want to go around bashing a Rolex worth thounsands of dollars?

Just don't get this TOOL watch stuff with expensive, high-end watches!!

Thanks JJ!!

In any one day at work I can be unblocking drains, emptying "skips" (not sure what you Johnny-Foreigners call 'em?!) or meeting clients at a £million+ site....
When I get 'em I'll wear one'o my Rolex's every day but I'll certainly take my baby off when I'm on my hands & knees pulling sh*t out of a blocked manhole!!!!

[avekat]

Originally Posted by spuds

absolutely agreed BUT can ANY Rolex REALLY be considered a "Tool Watch"??

I agree as well. My point is simply that the current submariner and GMT master ought to be more true to their origins (which were tool watches to the bone), and that it is a shame that they are now "merely" luxury items (and that the point of PCL ruining the sub's status as a tool watch is missing the big picture).

JJ Irani please refrain from referring to me as a "tosser".

[spuds]

Originally Posted by avekat

I agree as well. My point is simply that the current submariner and GMT master ought to be more true to their origins (which were tool watches to the bone), and that it is a shame that they are now "merely" luxury items (and that the point of PCL ruining the sub's status as a tool watch is missing the big picture).

JJ Irani please refrain from referring to me as a "tosser".

I agree & IMO Rolex priced themselves out of the "tool watch market" LONG ago!

& friend I assure you "tosser" is intended as a compliment on here!!

[STEELINOX]

Originally Posted by spuds

I agree & IMO Rolex priced themselves out of the "tool watch market" LONG ago!

& friend I assure you "tosser" is intended as a compliment on here!!

I think JJ "needs" to refrain !

[springer]

Originally Posted by spuds

I agree & IMO Rolex priced themselves out of the "tool watch market" LONG ago!

& friend I assure you "tosser" is intended as a compliment on here!!

You might consider this a compliment, but I don't think most people will - especially those new to the forum:

Tosser:
Noun, British slang; slightly offensive term: dick head, jerk, idiot, bit slow and rough, a non-violent bully, loud and rude + not brightest bulb on the tree.

Verb, Toss off, British slang for male masturbation; not the same meaning as the noun "Tosser."

[STEELINOX]

Originally Posted by springer

You might consider this a compliment, but I don't think most people will - especially those new to the forum:

Tosser:
Noun, British slang; slightly offensive term: dick head, jerk, idiot, bit slow and rough, a non-violent bully, loud and rude + not brightest bulb on the tree.

Verb, Toss off, British slang for male masturbation; not the same meaning as the noun "Tosser."

Thanks for adding some "clarity" ~ sheeze !

[springer]

Originally Posted by STEELINOX

Thanks for adding some "clarity" ~ sheeze !

You're welcome tosser !!!!!