tell me if you all think this is wrong?

[drtooth73]

well, on a side note, my very first sale on TRF was to very well known top seller here.
we agreed on the terms, but at the end, he did not buy. Would I expose him?
No, I might make a joke to him about it, but would never make his name public.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by drtooth73

well, on a side note, my very first sale on TRF was to very well known top seller here.
we agreed on the terms, but at the end, he did not buy. Would I expose him?
No, I might make a joke to him about it, but would never make his name public.

What does this have to do with anything?

[mrh1797]

No need to flame drtooth73 here...sometimes deals fall through. Granted we can Monday morning quarterback this to death. I hate these types of threads. They never end well and usually a good member with a strong history gets a bad rap. Obviously something went wrong, but look at the history of both guys here. They are both good people with lots of quality posts. Things go bad on occasion. They should work this out via telephone or privately. Not on TRF.

[Texcoonazz]

Your a dentist. Is $300 really worth it? From the looks of this you sold your good name and reputation for $300.

[folexhater]

Originally Posted by mrh1797

No need to flame drtooth73 here...sometimes deals fall through. Granted we can Monday morning quarterback this to death. I hate these types of threads. They never end well and usually a good member with a strong history gets a bad rap. Obviously something went wrong, but look at the history of both guys here. They are both good people with lots of quality posts. Things go bad on occasion. They should work this out via telephone or privately. Not on TRF.

Thanks for the beautiful input! They should settle this privately and just forgive and forget imo!

[B. Doggy]

That would tick me off!

[springer]

Very poor way to do business. Very poor. Since "DR Tooth" posted that a similar situation occurred to him - even though it isn't similar in my opinion - he should have treated the buyer with more respect.

It always comes back to "buyer the buyer" before the watch. An appropriate notation should be made in the "who's who" section.

Personally, I'd have been "steamed" if this happened to me.

[SubKing]

bill,
i was not trying to cause any trouble here as i said in my last post. im not going to beg you to sell me a watch when im waiting for you in a parking lot. you did not call me 10 min prior you called me at the time of our meeting was supposed to be unless that rolex you were going to sell me was running slow, i was right on time. also now im really upset because you are not being fair with your response. i told you exactly this "if the dial had different markers i would give you the 300 extra but 3200 is as high as i wanted to go for this watch and you agreed"

i happen to know Dino if this is the same dino im thinking because he is the only local rolex buyer i know with that name, he is a good friend of mine and works at a local pawn shop. he buys a ton of rolex watches. he's a nice guy.

if i didnt want the watch, why would i be sitting in a parking lot with cash? you knew i wanted the watch and you knew we had a deal bill and you broke it. i told you word for word "i cannot force you to sell me the watch but i thought we had a deal" if you say i didnt say that then you would be lying. you had said in return "can i call you later and let you know?" i said no, its now or never, im not going back and forth.. that was border line playing games and you just dont do that. there is no excuse.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by mrh1797

No need to flame drtooth73 here...sometimes deals fall through. Granted we can Monday morning quarterback this to death. I hate these types of threads. They never end well and usually a good member with a strong history gets a bad rap. Obviously something went wrong, but look at the history of both guys here. They are both good people with lots of quality posts. Things go bad on occasion. They should work this out via telephone or privately. Not on TRF.

thank you for the kind words and i agree, but since the watch is gone i guess there is nothing more to talk about... i just hope this thread would make bill think twice before doing this again in the future to other members because it is not a good feeling. but i dont want to ruin his rep at all.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by drtooth73

well, on a side note, my very first sale on TRF was to very well known top seller here.
we agreed on the terms, but at the end, he did not buy. Would I expose him?
No, I might make a joke to him about it, but would never make his name public.

well he wasnt waiting for you in a parking lot with cash. so its a little different. my initial post was not to expose you but to just give input until members wanted to know who the seller was.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by drtooth73

I had numerous occasions, where I had negotiated a deal, and the seller bailed.
I understand that is poor judgement.
I would go through with a sale, I called Jordan, and said that I dont know what to do.
If he said: "I want the watch as promised" I would sell.
But he said: "Its not the watch that I want anyway"
I DID NOT ask for more money from him.

also to respond to your comment above, you did ask for more cash. you had said unless i can match it you think you're going to sell it to this other guy.

so please don't post false things.

i dont know you very well and i was waiting with cash in hand and you call me telling me you have another buyer while im there waiting. what else am i supposed to say? im not going to demand anything from you, what was the point? if you wanted to sell it to me you would have been there to finish the deal.

[TimeToGo]

I think a free Root Canal is in order here...

[springer]

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

I think a free Root Canal is in order here...

I think we all just got one reading this thread. Ouch!

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

I think a free Root Canal is in order here...

I think SubKing already received a free prostate exam.....

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by onkyo

I think SubKing already received a free prostate exam.....

Agree

[Jack's Uncle]

Originally Posted by onkyo

I think SubKing already received a free prostate exam.....

[rheyd]

I agree with OP, something similar happened to me in another forum. I traded two for one watch plus cash and agreed on sending them first. Upon receiving them the other party demanded more $$$. At this point, I felt like a the two watches were being held hostage. I mean what do you do? Say no and hope you get them back? Anyhow I was able to cut down the extra amount needed and was able to dodge a bullet.

Not the same situation but definitely the last minute changes on a deal are bad...

Cheers.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by onkyo

I think SubKing already received a free prostate exam.....

:r ofl:
YOU KNOW IT!

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

I think a free Root Canal is in order here...

i think a re seal on my Primary Maxillary Right Second Molar and Supernumerary Maxillary Right Quadrant are in order, maybe even a hand full of those free tooth brushes at the end of the session. not those cheap tooth brushes, im talking the crest ones with the life strips and gum massagers but now i think we are well over the cost of the watch..

[TimeToGo]

Originally Posted by onkyo

I think SubKing already received a free prostate exam.....

That...my friend...was a loooong root..

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by onkyo

I think SubKing already received a free prostate exam.....

It has become popular by men with white coats to use this entrance. There would only be scar in the patient's soul.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by Jocke

It has become popular by men with white coats to use this entrance. There would only be scar in the patient's soul.

that scar runs deeper than you know jocke

[jnkay]

At the end of the day, the seller actions were a bad reflection on him, long-time member or not. People differ in their opinions as to whether it is OK to accept a higher offer after accepting a lower offer when it occurs right after the verbal deal is made, but the guy had gone to the bank and was sitting at the rendevous point! It is a review that deserves to be posted as such.

[SubKing]

at the end of the day, i think im more upset now about bill saying false things about our meet than i am about not getting the watch.. Because if he is going to lie about a simple meet, then what else would he lie about? that is not someone i would feel comfortable handing thousands to for a rolex or at any amount for that matter, because then you dont know what to believe if people lie.. could have at least owned up to it instead of making excuses and saying he never asked me for more money.. also saying that i didnt want the watch anymore.. which is funny because that means i was in a parking lot with cash waiting for a watch that i supposedly didn’t want. doesn’t make sense.

[Panaboy]

Originally Posted by SubKing

at the end of the day, i think im more upset now about bill saying false things about our meet than i am about not getting the watch.. Because if he is going to lie about a simple meet, then what else would he lie about? that is not someone i would feel comfortable handing thousands to for a rolex or at any amount for that matter, because then you dont know what to believe if people lie.. could have at least owned up to it instead of making excuses and saying he never asked me for more money.. also saying that i didnt want the watch anymore.. which is funny because that means i was in a parking lot with cash waiting for a watch that i supposedly didn’t want. doesn’t make sense.

In consideration to his profesion. I woud not trust him as my dentist

[globalmedia33]

I wouldn't want to deal with this seller.

[cedargrove]

To some money is more important than their reputation.

My opinion, the seller should not have even hinted that there was a better offer if he already had a deal. He should have quietly done the agreed upon deal, and chaulked it up to experience.

[afnios1]

I dont know if there is a kind of a penalty in cases like this,Stevo has the ball.All i know after doing business in all of my life is that a man's word worth more than all earth's gold.
Mihalis

[drtooth73]

Bravo, Bravo!
Mission accomplished, Subking is proved right, Drtooth is wrong.
Subking is a victim of a greedy seller!
I already see indirect references to this incident in other threads.

Let's hear my side now. I thought if that Subking felt wronged, so be it.
I had apologized to him over the phone, in this thread, and in private messages for wasting his time.
After my last private message apology Subking continued the thread, and called me a liar.

I am not going to take this defamation lightly.

The original post of this thread is constructed to make Subking appear as victim.
Its full of untrue and embellished statements, as well as assumptions.
Subking is forced to drive in nasty weather to ameeting?
He chose the time himself, because it fit his schedule, as he
was going to an appointment at 12.
He sits in car for a long time, before I call at the time of the meeting?
I called 10 minutes prior, if he came before that,
again, my apologies, but not a reason to blame me.
He claims I asked for more money? I never did.
Out-of-state buyer? Not true?
"he tells me that he hasnt left his home"? Never said that.
"he said if i wont watch it then he cant sell the watch to me"? Total fabrication.

Later on in this thread:"i think im more upset now about bill saying false things about our
meet than i am about not getting the watch.. Because if he is going to lie about a simple
meet, then what else would he lie about?" I did not lie.

There was a choice to be made, post the thread or not, name drtooth or not, lie or not.
Subking made his choices.

Subking contacted me over the phone, introduced himself as Jordan.
Started to negotiate the price, and picked the time of the meet.
Typically, when I sell something online, I get the money first, then part with item, and this
arrangement works well for me. Additionally, with any online buy/sell deal, I have all the
contact info of the other party, including full name and address.
Subking's "cash deal" was not a done deal, I still had to make sure he was there,
get his info, get the money, check the money. It was not 100% done deal.
He set up one "red flag" at the end of the conversation, after the time and place of the meet
were discussed. I understand, it might not mean much to others, but I have been a target of
various scams, with fake checks, fake accounts, money orders, cashiers checks sent to me as
form of payment. I dont know Jordan, nor I trust him. Subking said he has to get cash from
the Chase bank. I said, great, there is one right near Barnes and Nobles. He hesitated, and
wanted to avoid the branch. Forgive me, Jordan, if I was reading too deep into what you said,
but dealing with high priced items, anything suspicious raises a flag.
Second "red flag" was that he did not ask me anything about the watch itself.
I have sold a couple of watches, and the buyer always asks questions about the watch, but not
Subking. The only times when I am offered money but no questions are asked, are when someone
wants to scam me. i am not saying that Subking was doing it, but when I thought about it after
the phone conversation, it raised another "red flag".

Would I try my luck with a somewhat suspicious buyer? I was planning to meet him, and figure out.
I did get a second offer from a trusted person, and called Subking.
After hearing that there was another offer, Subking assumed I was asking for more money,
got upset, said he is not gonna pay more, and that the dial on my 5513 was not the popular dial,
he wanted a different dial anyway. I now understand, that it was emotions talking, but when coming
from someone I dont know, with two red flags, that helped me make my choice.
Yes, I took the easy route. I felt that Subking wasd upset, and I apologized.

Subking took this more hard than I expected.
Instead of simply venting, he called me out in this thread.
He addressed me as "bill", lower cased b, for added disrespect.
He called me a liar twice (twice!) just for saying I called 10 minutes prior, instead of looking
at the screen of his cellphone, and he claimed my other words as "false".
I apologized, but Subking continued his insults.

Subking to me is a liar, an angry, classless little man.
I vented, thank you, and I have no intent to come back to this thread

[Lol-x]

The bottom line is for the sake of more money a seller cancelled a pre-arranged meeting only short minutes prior to an agreed meeting with a prospective buyer.

What resonates to me from this situation is a grab for cash over the principle of honouring a pre-arranged meeting.

Pretty clear to me, work it out for yourselves

drTooth73, selling on this forum is not a right, but a discretionary entitlement granted to you, which the forum reserves the right to revoke at any time in its sole discretion without reason or entering into any correspondence.

Thus drtooth73 your limited entitlement to sell anything on this website is hereby forthwith suspended and you are disqualified from selling anything on this website henceforth until further notice.

Sellers can develop a positive sales history, but as experience has shown, that does not make them immune from ongoing rigor and scrutiny. The mere perception of any kind of less than satisfactory dealing in relation to a transaction or possible transaction may result in action being taken.

As stated selling something on this website is not a right, one doesn't pay to do that, it is a discretionary privilege that can be revoked at anytime in the sole and final discretion of the forum moderators/administrator.