What's your next watch ?

[FeelingTheBlues]

Originally Posted by Trev

I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one sharing such an opinion here. I just happened to be the one who called him on it. He's posting designs copying Rolex IP on a forum discussing legit Rolex watches.

If you do an overlay of the 'Parnis' design over a regular GMT, it's pretty close to being a cookie-cutter copy. Ripping off a design within that level of accuracy and then removing the original designers name from the label does not equal a "homage".

If I were to purchase a Chinese iMac that was 98% correct design-wise (especially for the most outwardly recognisable parts) with an Aluminum case, but didn't have the Apple logo, it's still a counterfeit. I'm not sure why people will attempt to justify the issue with watches and give these Chinese manufacturers a free pass.

You can bet that Rolex SA considers Parnis to be a bit more than a "homage" to their work. Perhaps we could ask them for their official stance?

If it's a case of not having a budget for a Rolex, there's plenty of great vintage options in lower price brackets. There's also brands like Marathon, etc.

With all due respect I believe nowadays every company gets some things and "design patterns" from other companies. Haven't you ever heard somebody saying "well that Mercedes looks just like that new car Honda designed" or seen ESP guitars with the shape of a Gibson Les Paul or a Gibson SG? If I may (of course I wouldn't like to insult anybody who owns one of those brands) I've even see some Patek Philippe, Vacheron Constantin and Jaeger Lecoultre watches that had almost if not the exact same design.

This being said, I'd probably get myself a "lower budget" watch and go with a nice black and gold face Casio G-Shock!

[Dr.Brian]

Originally Posted by Trev

I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one sharing such an opinion here. I just happened to be the one who called him on it. He's posting designs copying Rolex IP on a forum discussing legit Rolex watches.

If you do an overlay of the 'Parnis' design over a regular GMT, it's pretty close to being a cookie-cutter copy. Ripping off a design within that level of accuracy and then removing the original designers name from the label does not equal a "homage".

If I were to purchase a Chinese iMac that was 98% correct design-wise (especially for the most outwardly recognisable parts) with an Aluminum case, but didn't have the Apple logo, it's still a counterfeit. I'm not sure why people will attempt to justify the issue with watches and give these Chinese manufacturers a free pass.

You can bet that Rolex SA considers Parnis to be a bit more than a "homage" to their work. Perhaps we could ask them for their official stance?

If it's a case of not having a budget for a Rolex, there's plenty of great vintage options in lower price brackets. There's also brands like Marathon, etc.

You're free to express your opinion, right or wrong about his Parnis photo. However, the rude comment about another members watch (Invicta) was what drew the attention of our Welsh friend, and probably several others. He didn't ask your opinion on his Invicta, and it's very poor form to disparage another members choice of watch. If you don't like it, take the high road and don't post.
PS If Rolex had a case for theft of IP or a trademark violation, they would not hesitate a second to pursue it. That watch is not fake, counterfeit or in violation of Rolex registered trademarks. It's also BLACK, which screams "I'm not a Rolex" at the top of it's lungs. Rolex would probably have a better case going after the nutters that PVD real Rolexes, change a hand, and add a line of text to the dial, and mark them up $5k.

[drockadam]

Originally Posted by Trev

I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one sharing such an opinion here. I just happened to be the one who called him on it. He's posting designs copying Rolex IP on a forum discussing legit Rolex watches.

If you do an overlay of the 'Parnis' design over a regular GMT, it's pretty close to being a cookie-cutter copy. Ripping off a design within that level of accuracy and then removing the original designers name from the label does not equal a "homage".

If I were to purchase a Chinese iMac that was 98% correct design-wise (especially for the most outwardly recognisable parts) with an Aluminum case, but didn't have the Apple logo, it's still a counterfeit. I'm not sure why people will attempt to justify the issue with watches and give these Chinese manufacturers a free pass.

You can bet that Rolex SA considers Parnis to be a bit more than a "homage" to their work. Perhaps we could ask them for their official stance?

If it's a case of not having a budget for a Rolex, there's plenty of great vintage options in lower price brackets. There's also brands like Marathon, etc.

I'm just trying to get a watch that resembles the GMT Master with the same features (rotable 24 hour bezel). I like the Grand Seiko GMT but, I don't have the money. I'm sure if Rolex had a huge problem with Parnis, they'd do something.

[Dr.Brian]

I'm always on the lookout for this (at the right price):



My first move would be to stealth it with a black dial.

[subtona]

pam210...first deviation from rolex, since omega which i gave away after purchasing my first rolex.

and it will arrive tomorrow:-)

looking forward to such a drastic alternative to the sub.
been checking out those panerai for a while, did a complete 180 with my taste....

thought the 1950 at first, then the radiomir drew me in with that sandwich dial.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

PS If Rolex had a case for theft of IP or a trademark violation, they would not hesitate a second to pursue it. That watch is not fake, counterfeit or in violation of Rolex registered trademarks. It's also BLACK, which screams "I'm not a Rolex" at the top of it's lungs. Rolex would probably have a better case going after the nutters that PVD real Rolexes, change a hand, and add a line of text to the dial, and mark them up $5k.

They do have a case, and likely have a hard time enforcing their patents because companies like Parnis aren't US-based. They're pumping out various "homage" designs from Chinese factories (likely the same ones producing Rolex-branded fakes).

You say homage, I say fake. Let's settle this in the most straight forward way possible.

[mailman]

Originally Posted by drockadam

I'm just trying to get a watch that resembles the GMT Master with the same features (rotable 24 hour bezel). I like the Grand Seiko GMT but, I don't have the money. I'm sure if Rolex had a huge problem with Parnis, they'd do something.

Have you had a look at Alpha watches

[Dr.Brian]

Originally Posted by Trev

They do have a case, and likely have a hard time enforcing their patents because companies like Parnis aren't US-based. They're pumping out various "homage" designs from Chinese factories (likely the same ones producing Rolex-branded fakes).

You say homage, I say fake. Let's settle this in the most straight forward way possible.

The only thing that I see on that watch that MIGHT be a Rolex TM is the specific green GMT hand. Though I think, like all it's other features (bracelet, bezel design, Mercedes hands, etc) it's ubiquitous.

[Demosthene]

Originally Posted by Trev

You say homage, I say fake. Let's settle this in the most straight forward way possible.

Nothing is to be gained from having this conversation.

Rolex is a big company and able to fight their own battles.
Similarly TRF has Moderators to determine and if necessary, deal with any discussion of fake watches

[dsio]

Originally Posted by drockadam

Thanks Brian!! I've always like the PVD GMT Homage, but I wasn't sure if the forum was alright with it. I didn't want to get it and the forum be like "It's a fake" my perspective of a fake it "Rolex" printed on the dial.

Something worth a look is the Seiko Navigator GMT, its a very cool vintage Seiko that has an inner rotatable 24H bezel and a 24H hand, giving the GMT functionality but with a distinctly unique look and style.

http://thewatchspotblog.com/?p=219

[drockadam]

Alpha's are nice too, but I've heard better reviews about the Parnis than them. What's everyone's opinion of Alpha's?

[ft laud mike]

Originally Posted by dsio

Omega SM300 WatchCo on Omega heavy mesh bracelet:

never seen that bracelet, very nice
For me:
I would like to get a ss daytona...
but 1st there is work to be done on the house, then a new car...
Then..the ss daytona

[BlackLight]

One of the 3 below:
(not my pictures, since I do not own the watches yet)

[blackmsport]

that Seiko is very nice

[BlackLight]

Yes, it has the smoothest seconds hand.
But it also has 2 bolt-heads visible, something I strongly dislike.
So,

[sierra11b]

Originally Posted by BlackLight

Yes, it has the smoothest seconds hand.
But it also has 2 bolt-heads visible, something I strongly dislike.
So,

If you're treading in DSSD territory and want a seiko then get the GS SBGA031 and be done with it. Friend has one and it's unreal... like meticulous aliens came down from the skies and built them.

Attention to detail on the MM300 and above (GS) is equally on par with any Rolex I have ever owned, I would venture to say in it's own class as to not take away from Rolex. I crave a GS SBGA031 or SBGE001 like a fat kid craves cake. +/- 15sec a month... a MONTH

OR get the MM300 which is a phenomenal piece with a fantastic racheting bracelet without screws. Not exactly GS despite the movement, but the same aliens built the watch as the finish is on par with Rolex. The most accurate watch I own. You'll have enough money to get 80% of the Rolexs out there after getting one.

[Antoine B]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

This picture is borrowed from the internet, but this is the watch I want next.

Would you prefer the 14060 (3000) or the 1460M (3130 no COSC) ?

[leverd018]

Well, I want the DSSD. I have to do a little financial arranging, but in the near future, it will be mine - all mine!

[ag62000]

daytona!!!!

[warren G.]

I'm graduating in couple years. So I'm looking at the following watch as a gift to myself. All in order of preferences...

JLC Reverso Grande Date


Girad-Perregaux 49460


Grand Seiko SBGR061


GO Senator Sixties



A.Lange & Sohne 101.032 (my obtainable grail)

[h999r]

AP Shaq because I got it at much cheaper price today ...

and Hublot King Power Manchester united limited edition , put down payment , because I love MU too much :((

Richard Mille RM 011 still dreaming about it .. its getting out of my reach because of these 2 watches :(

[htc8p]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

The only thing that I see on that watch that MIGHT be a Rolex TM is the specific green GMT hand. Though I think, like all it's other features (bracelet, bezel design, Mercedes hands, etc) it's ubiquitous.

no company can trademark colors. they didnt put the word rolex because that is the clear sign of faking it.

i think its more of a homage.

[htc8p]

my next one would be a zenith el primero

[dsio]

Originally Posted by htc8p

no company can trademark colors. they didnt put the word rolex because that is the clear sign of faking it.

i think its more of a homage.

I understand what you mean, the thing that bothers me though is the number of homage pieces that are this close that have appeared since eBay and others tightening their stance on counterfeiting in the mid 2000s. The Invicta has more than a few key differences to the Submariner or GMT but with this particular model, even the clasp folding mechanism has been copied in precise detail, which makes me wonder, if they were just trying to get the feel, or style of the the GMT for homage reasons, why would they be duplicating something that can't be seen at all so perfectly.

The thought that constantly pops up in the back of my mind when seeing these is that they are probably rolling off the same production lines in China as the fakes with Rolex written on the dial, with the homage versions simply giving the same outfits that are responsible for counterfeiting a grey-area legal way of selling more volume of their product through retail channels.

The only clear differences with this are the PVD coat and the lack of Rolex printing on the dial, given the cost of manufacturing, and the fact that there are already very accurate copies in production in the same geographic location, is it more likely that the homages are made as a completely stand-alone product, or is it more likely that they are produced by the same companies producing the counterfeits, but differentiated just subtly enough to justify the "homage" designation and be saleable through legitimate channels.

Its the thought that people could be buying homage pieces to specifically avoid fakes, and the money ending up in the same hands anyway that really bothers me.

[DOUGHN]

Dssd

ap rg

pam 386

[HL65]

Panerai 372

[mldaytona]

Originally Posted by warren G.

[mldaytona]

I'm eyeing this

[TSW]

Originally Posted by h999r

AP Shaq because I got it at much cheaper price today ...

and Hublot King Power Manchester united limited edition , put down payment , because I love MU too much :((

Richard Mille RM 011 still dreaming about it .. its getting out of my reach because of these 2 watches :(

Skip the other two go straight for the Jackpot

[TSW]

Originally Posted by capote

Yes I know, apples oranges. Still, these are the ones I'm looking into. Pics off the internet.

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