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Old 8 August 2007, 05:25 PM   #61
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Old 8 August 2007, 07:40 PM   #62
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Old 8 August 2007, 07:47 PM   #63
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TRF may be a Rolex Forum, but this is the non-Rolex section. In anyone's book a Folex is a non-Rolex. So, nothing wrong with posting it here.

Aykun, in posting this thread, is just trying to tell us he is pleased to recieved the gift, even if it is a Folex. I would be too, even if my wife gave me a mickey mouse watch.

If at all anyone should be offended by a Folex it should be Rolex themselves.

Aykun, say hi to your gal for me.
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Old 8 August 2007, 08:33 PM   #64
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Oops, I didn't realise earlier this started off as a Rolex thread which explains the animosity from some.

Aykun,

Don't fret, very nice pre-owned Datejusts can be had from as low as USD1700 or thereabouts.

But who's to say you can't afford this watch one of these days.
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Old 8 August 2007, 10:15 PM   #65
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I am sympathetic to your plight, and hope you find your way out and find happiness elsewhere. Everyone deserves such a chance, and if your place of birth will not afford it, you should certainly try like hell to find a place that will. You seem like a decent guy, and I would never judge someone's character by their choice in watches.

Now, having said that, I don't know what all the arguing is about. As it has been put out before, fakes are illegal. Like insurance fraud and petty theft, they drive up the cost of doing business to the real manufacturer. Thus, part of the high cost of certain items (Rolex being among them) is the cost of stopping counterfeiters and crooks.

I'll put it this way - if you own a business that was well known and everyone loved it, what would you do if someone else opened the same type of business using the same name as you do across town? You would take legal action to stop them, spending lots of money along the way. Now, to whom do you pass on this cost? The customer, to be sure.

Cherish the watch, as CJ says, because it is a gift from a loved one who knows your passion for the real thing. But put it away somewhere and get on with the business of getting a real one.
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Old 9 August 2007, 01:52 PM   #66
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I'm curious, were you present when your girlfriend bought you the watch? If you were not, than consider it as a sentimental gift. If you were, than why would you let her buy it for you?

I believe that wearing a fake, even though you may not have bought it yourself or try to pass it off as an authentic, indicates a level of acceptance that there's nothing wrong with it.

It was sweet of your girlfriend to get it for you, but you should gently discuss with her why it's wrong to buy anything that would infringe on a copyright or trademark.

I would recommend tucking the fake away and keep it as sentimental value and wear your authentic Tissot proudly.
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Old 10 August 2007, 08:17 AM   #67
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I'm curious, were you present when your girlfriend bought you the watch? If you were not, than consider it as a sentimental gift. If you were, than why would you let her buy it for you?

I believe that wearing a fake, even though you may not have bought it yourself or try to pass it off as an authentic, indicates a level of acceptance that there's nothing wrong with it.

It was sweet of your girlfriend to get it for you, but you should gently discuss with her why it's wrong to buy anything that would infringe on a copyright or trademark.

I would recommend tucking the fake away and keep it as sentimental value and wear your authentic Tissot proudly.
ok no problem if you are curious I was with my gf we were sitting a cafe near fake gucci,prada shoes,bag,belt,watch,cloth whatever fake expensive you can find you cant imagine... and we were drinking something and suddenly she told me that she should go to toilet and she disappeared and I was worried when I was waiting her in 10-15 minutes she came with a kiss and the present ( watch ) and it's valuable as real one for me.

Btw the answer of your question is NO cause I can never discuss with my gf about it WHY? Well, just 1 reason; she is crazy of buying and if I will discuss she ll reply me: OK so buy real ones, ohhh but how.... She already has lots of fake Guccies,Pradas,all clothes Frank Muller watches Folex lady watch, but the interesting thing is in her country she is just and just buying authentic expensive brands and she buys nice
fakes just here cause she cant find this nice fakes with very low prices and without difference than originals in her country. I hope that it s enough to reply your question.


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I am sympathetic to your plight, and hope you find your way out and find happiness elsewhere. Everyone deserves such a chance, and if your place of birth will not afford it, you should certainly try like hell to find a place that will. You seem like a decent guy, and I would never judge someone's character by their choice in watches.

Now, having said that, I don't know what all the arguing is about. As it has been put out before, fakes are illegal. Like insurance fraud and petty theft, they drive up the cost of doing business to the real manufacturer. Thus, part of the high cost of certain items (Rolex being among them) is the cost of stopping counterfeiters and crooks.

I'll put it this way - if you own a business that was well known and everyone loved it, what would you do if someone else opened the same type of business using the same name as you do across town? You would take legal action to stop them, spending lots of money along the way. Now, to whom do you pass on this cost? The customer, to be sure.

Cherish the watch, as CJ says, because it is a gift from a loved one who knows your passion for the real thing. But put it away somewhere and get on with the business of getting a real one.

Thank you, you understand me right if my job will be okay next week I will start and buy otherwise how and when? I'm loosing my hope more and more day by day.



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Oops, I didn't realise earlier this started off as a Rolex thread which explains the animosity from some.

Aykun,

Don't fret, very nice pre-owned Datejusts can be had from as low as USD1700 or thereabouts.

But who's to say you can't afford this watch one of these days.
I will never buy a used, worn, Rolex I have nothing to say to 2.nd hand watch buyers but, if I will wear a Rolex it must be new and I already can afford some SS new real ones but problem is I want a TT version (gold-steel) that's why I ve to wait a little bit more.
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Old 10 August 2007, 05:59 PM   #68
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I do not understand why people buy fake brand name stuff.

Really what is the reason?

Because the real thing costs too much but you still want to wear a certain brand?

I say then buy something else real until you CAN afford the real deal. IMHO

However I CAN also understand getting a gift from a loved one, no matter what it is, be it a fake watch or a well writen greeting card.

Cherish the gift, the girlfirend, the thought, and the good memory. As for the fake watch ... good luck.
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Old 10 August 2007, 07:47 PM   #69
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I do not understand why people buy fake brand name stuff.

Really what is the reason?

Because the real thing costs too much but you still want to wear a certain brand?

I say then buy something else real until you CAN afford the real deal. IMHO

However I CAN also understand getting a gift from a loved one, no matter what it is, be it a fake watch or a well writen greeting card.

Cherish the gift, the girlfirend, the thought, and the good memory. As for the fake watch ... good luck.
Thanks, I dont support to buy fake at any brand unless if it is a very good fake and unless you are crazy of buying to buy lots of models with the limited budget that is possible to afford 1 real and 9 fake instead of 10 real, ofcourse 1 real is better than 9 fake but it is always better to have 1 real plus 9 fake ( if a good fake ) instead of having just 1 real, I dont compare please dont understand wrong, ofcourse always to ve real is the best but, most of the rich guys who earn a salary which is about the price of a new TT version Rolex in 1 month can never understand why the ones can prefer fakes who re with same education and earn much more less than them in other parts of the world, Never and ever, better to open eyes and see the world with eyes instead of eyeglasses, what do you think?
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Old 10 August 2007, 08:28 PM   #70
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good luck Aykun
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Old 10 August 2007, 11:38 PM   #71
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Thanks, I dont support to buy fake at any brand unless if it is a very good fake and unless you are crazy of buying to buy lots of models with the limited budget that is possible to afford 1 real and 9 fake instead of 10 real, ofcourse 1 real is better than 9 fake but it is always better to have 1 real plus 9 fake ( if a good fake ) instead of having just 1 real, I dont compare please dont understand wrong, ofcourse always to ve real is the best but, most of the rich guys who earn a salary which is about the price of a new TT version Rolex in 1 month can never understand why the ones can prefer fakes who re with same education and earn much more less than them in other parts of the world, Never and ever, better to open eyes and see the world with eyes instead of eyeglasses, what do you think?

Not sure I understand your meaning completely, but mostly.

I do agree, sometimes life is not fair. Some people make lots of money while others don't, everyone's situation is different.

I also agree that we need to be realistic and see the world as it is, with open eyes, and try not to pretend it is something it is not.

It sounds like you have your eyes set on a TT Rolex. I hope you get your watch oneday. You sound like a good guy, I hope you get some good breaks going your way.
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Old 10 August 2007, 11:54 PM   #72
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Not sure I understand your meaning completely, but mostly.

I do agree, sometimes life is not fair. Some people make lots of money while others don't, everyone's situation is different.

I also agree that we need to be realistic and see the world as it is, with open eyes, and try not to pretend it is something it is not.

It sounds like you have your eyes set on a TT Rolex. I hope you get your watch oneday. You sound like a good guy, I hope you get some good breaks going your way.

Thanks to both of you, I just can say that time will show, regards from Istanbul.
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Old 13 August 2007, 11:04 PM   #73
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Aykun,
Good things happen to good people, be patient and enjoy your watch from your thoughtful GF.
The thought is what matters most not the price tag.
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Old 14 August 2007, 08:05 AM   #74
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Wow, this has become a very thought provoking thread.

I've been married for 16 years now and well remembering back to the days when my wife was my girlfriend, if she knew I had wanted one of the authentic ones and couldn't afford the real deal, I imagine she would have gotten me a replica/fake because she loved me.

I totally understand the sentiment of getting something from someone where their only desire is to make you happy cause they love you.

Here's to you getting the real deal when the time is right and you can truely afford it without selling off something you love.

Also I know you will look back sentimentally to the day she got that for you, especially if she is your wife one day. Sounds like a thoughtful young lady.

Now I don't believe in breaking the law in any way including fake rolex and I know you don't either, but when someone goes out of their way like this to show their love for you, its something you remember.
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Old 14 August 2007, 12:41 PM   #75
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Right, and a "poser" is someone who tries to pass a fake as a real thing. Obsession was straight up about it, so elemental linguistics shows him to be anything but a poser. Frankly, he is the opposite, given his candor and frankness. He was looking to be in a safe place which this list serve should be.

Like advocatia, I do have my problems with the blatant theft of intellectual property inherent in these replicas, but that should not be transferred to a valuable list member who essentially had some courage to share this with his supposed brethren, an international group of watch snobs...which we basically are.
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