Help choose??? Rolex 116619 Submariner Ceramic White Gold VS. PP Nautilus 5712/1A

[alubin]

if it were almost any other nautilus i'd vote that but in this particular comparison the sub-c for sure. Love it.

[kilyung]

Nautilus and WG Sub are great references.

[Qimchi]

I will go for PP in this case + a SS Sub. Love the caseback and the mini rotor.

Or I just get a YG Sub.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Shem

Nautilus by a thousand miles. It's the grail I'll never have!

We all talked like this when we first joined, give it a year or two on here...

[AAP8]

Originally Posted by AK797

We all talked like this when we first joined, give it a year or two on here...

How true that is ... I could never imagine spending more than I did for my Sub on a watch, now I feel like I need one in gold!

[zama]

Both great watches but different in IMHO, if you will gain value more from Dressy then PP if you need robust daily wearer go Sub.

[SixPak]

Originally Posted by AK797

We all talked like this when we first joined, give it a year or two on here...

Exactly. Never say never.

[Rolex40mm]

I love Rolex to death, but would have to go Nautilus on this one. As a rule of thumb, any watch i buy under $15000 has to be a Rolex, and any watch over that (Not that i presently can afford it) has to be a PP.

[NavitimerNut]

That's not my favorite Patek so I vote for the sub.

[Racerdj]

Rolex 116619 Submariner is my choice.

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by AAP8

... I feel like I need one in gold!

You do!

[captkevin]

Same amount of money.....one is SS and the other is WG. Pretty easy if you ask me.

[kmleffler]

With the WG Sub your talking about an $8,000 watch that costs $36,000 because of the gold. With the PP your looking at the cost being in the movement and the craftsmanship. For me I would rather put my money into the movement and craftsmanship.

[AAP8]

Originally Posted by kilyung

You do!

Oh, I know I do ... I just need to find the best deal I can get on a WG Sub and it will be mine ... just have to wait for some of my stock investments to age to "long term" before dumping them for the watch ... no need to pay extra taxes.

After the WG Sub I want to get something in Platinum ... I just don't have pockets deep enough (yet) to get one of those, getting married soon so I can't spend it all like I would like to ... but I know I will get there ... I have time, I am only 31 so there are many watches in my future

[AAP8]

Originally Posted by kmleffler

With the WG Sub your talking about an $8,000 watch that costs $36,000 because of the gold. With the PP your looking at the cost being in the movement and the craftsmanship. For me I would rather put my money into the movement and craftsmanship.

My brother worked on Patek's website a few years ago and was able to learn a lot about the company, it really made me understand that all of the luxury watch makers are really fairly equal ... Pateks costs and craftsmanship are not much different than Rolex,AP,JLC for 90% of their watches ... its that last 10% that makes them special, but the watch under discussion is not in that last 10%. For all watches in this category their cost is greater than the sum of their parts, its just that Patek is able to charge more thank JLC/AP/Rolex. My bet is that the raw cost of the Patek is pretty much the same (+/-15%) as the SS Sub but their retail prices are about 300% higher on Patek. A lot of the secrecy around these companies, Patek and Rolex in particular is to make it difficult for people to really understand that they are at their core, assembly line style manufactures, no different in process than the perceived differences between VW -> Audi -> Porsche -> Lamborghini -> Bugatti in the car world, the same processes are used across the board, just with different materials and scale.