15703st vs 5167A

[texex91]

Originally Posted by SMD

Chunky or thin, that is the decision. For me the aquanaut is too small. The 5980 is the only one that doesn't look small on me.

5980

[Bartosz]

I had AP and sold it. Only PP.

[elcompa]

PP for sure. It simply looks cooler, more straight forward...not trying too hard. Not oversized. Just a wicked awesome package. AP doesn't compare to PP....while certainly not bad, AP is another class.

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by Bartosz

I had AP and sold it. Only PP.

Me too , I had a 15300 before, sold it not a real sport watch IMHO. The reason I am considering this is because I believe that Diver qualify better for a Real Sport Watch.

Originally Posted by elcompa

PP for sure. It simply looks cooler, more straight forward...not trying too hard. Not oversized. Just a wicked awesome package. AP doesn't compare to PP....while certainly not bad, AP is another class.

I think that to each it's own. But will see.....


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[RussW]

I'd get the patek as it's more elegant, although it's no dive watch so if that's what you want get the AP.

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by RussW

I'd get the patek as it's more elegant, although it's no dive watch so if that's what you want get the AP.

Well what I want is a Real Sport watch, and what I mean with that is a watch that I could feel comfortable swimming, snorkeling, camping etc...
Therefore the thread, that it should of been named "in Search of a Real Sport watch from the Holy Trinity"

Cheers !


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[diver2012]

Originally Posted by elcompa

PP for sure. It simply looks cooler, more straight forward...not trying too hard. Not oversized. Just a wicked awesome package. AP doesn't compare to PP....while certainly not bad, AP is another class.

I personally think the PP looks cheap and boring compared to the Driver.

I don't find the dial remotely interesting and don't think the rubber strap looks right (especially with the butterfly clasp).

I've never liked the Aquanaut...you can probably tell...

[mario belgium]

Nice picture,AP Diver looks like a tank but really cool,PP Aquanaut looks more elegant and nice but a real sportswatch no,good luck with your choice

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by mario belgium

Nice picture,AP Diver looks like a tank but really cool,PP Aquanaut looks more elegant and nice but a real sportswatch no,good luck with your choice

Don't know if I understand you correctly; but you are saying that the Aquanaut is a nice and elegant watch but not a real sport watch. I am ok with that statement I think. What is not completely clear in your statement is if you also don't consider the AP diver to be a real sport watch ? If that's the case, why not? I have this itch now for a real sport watch from AP/PP, and I either come to the sad conclusion that they don't offer one and don't buy anything and move on or find one and see if it fits on my collection/lifestyle.

Cheers !

[improviz]

I think both are real sports watches, but as with any luxury mechanical watch (perhaps more so here) I would not wear for strenuous, high-shock activities (get a G-Shock for that or if you must, some old beater from Rolex or Omega), just because it will cost some bucks/lost watch time if something breaks, always a higher likelihood with mechanical pieces, particularly if exposed to high-shock.

Now if otoh (and I believe it is) the sport here is emphasizing appearance and not-so-rough sporting activities, then I believe both would qualify. Imo the Diver's bezel screws, angular and bolder appearance, and larger, more muscular appearance to me give it a more sporty appearance than the Aquanaut, and will probably get more attention than the beautiful-but-more-subtle (I've seen more people checking it out and gotten tons of complements, in fact while in Cancun recently a gentleman sporting a PAM 104 spotted it went out of his way to come over and complement the Diver), so depending upon whether you feel this is a good/bad thing can influence your opinion.

In terms of handling abuse, well, the "AP beater" thread speaks to that, although hopefully you wouldn't be exposing either to that level of, um, "love".

[benlee]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

Well what I want is a Real Sport watch, and what I mean with that is a watch that I could feel comfortable swimming, snorkeling, camping etc...
Therefore the thread, that it should of been named "in Search of a Real Sport watch from the Holy Trinity"

Cheers !

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While IMO the SS Diver is the best looking of the 3 AP Divers, a FC or Ceramic Diver might better suit your needs bec of the ability to resist scratches and wearing light. For me, sporty or sport watches should be big and tough. The Aquanault I doubt falls into that category. Very nice and classy watch though but the AP diver beats it to a pulp in terms of sheer wrist prescence. The SS Aquanault is just too plain looking. But if you are talking about the RG version 5167R then it's a different story. Just my 2 cents. At the end of the day, follow your heart and buy what you like.

[AK797]

I agree with the guys, for more sporty I would go Diver, altho the ceramic is best for strenuous activity but if you go with the steel bezel I would be prepared to have it polished by AP every year or two, no big deal or cost, as the brush finish is just too nice to have it too marked up imho.

[diver2012]

Originally Posted by improviz

I think both are real sports watches, but as with any luxury mechanical watch (perhaps more so here) I would not wear for strenuous, high-shock activities (get a G-Shock for that or if you must, some old beater from Rolex or Omega), just because it will cost some bucks/lost watch time if something breaks, always a higher likelihood with mechanical pieces, particularly if exposed to high-shock.

Don't forget the Diver meets ISO standards for dive watches which include shock tests - so it will almost certainly be more resistant than the PP...

[2muchtimeonmyhands]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

Don't know if I understand you correctly; but you are saying that the Aquanaut is a nice and elegant watch but not a real sport watch. I am ok with that statement I think. What is not completely clear in your statement is if you also don't consider the AP diver to be a real sport watch ? If that's the case, why not? I have this itch now for a real sport watch from AP/PP, and I either come to the sad conclusion that they don't offer one and don't buy anything and move on or find one and see if it fits on my collection/lifestyle.

Cheers !

Not a trinity brand but you could always go for a RM006, seems pretty durable and high end

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by improviz

I think both are real sports watches, but as with any luxury mechanical watch (perhaps more so here) I would not wear for strenuous, high-shock activities (get a G-Shock for that or if you must, some old beater from Rolex or Omega), just because it will cost some bucks/lost watch time if something breaks, always a higher likelihood with mechanical pieces, particularly if exposed to high-shock.

Now if otoh (and I believe it is) the sport here is emphasizing appearance and not-so-rough sporting activities, then I believe both would qualify. Imo the Diver's bezel screws, angular and bolder appearance, and larger, more muscular appearance to me give it a more sporty appearance than the Aquanaut, and will probably get more attention than the beautiful-but-more-subtle (I've seen more people checking it out and gotten tons of complements, in fact while in Cancun recently a gentleman sporting a PAM 104 spotted it went out of his way to come over and complement the Diver), so depending upon whether you feel this is a good/bad thing can influence your opinion.

In terms of handling abuse, well, the "AP beater" thread speaks to that, although hopefully you wouldn't be exposing either to that level of, um, "love".

Well I just change my heading for my 3rd watch from "beater" to "Real Sport Watch"(in my signature) because i don't think that any of us wants to see our watches all beat up. But yes we need to have a watch (or 2 ) that we can feel comfortable on sport activities. Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable with an AP 15400/15300, or Nautilus (some of you might). That's why I crerated this thread and proposed the Aquanaut and the AP diver SS. Because I thought I could feel comfortable with both in such activities (swimming, hiking, etc). Also I thought that if I am gonna wear it in such activities their potential of being abused would be higher, and that it should be reflected (to an extent ) in their lower price. I am not saying that 15-20k is cheap but if you want the luxury of using an AP/PP for those activities you have to pay the price.

Originally Posted by benlee

While IMO the SS Diver is the best looking of the 3 AP Divers, a FC or Ceramic Diver might better suit your needs bec of the ability to resist scratches and wearing light. For me, sporty or sport watches should be big and tough. The Aquanault I doubt falls into that category. Very nice and classy watch though but the AP diver beats it to a pulp in terms of sheer wrist prescence. The SS Aquanault is just too plain looking. But if you are talking about the RG version 5167R then it's a different story. Just my 2 cents. At the end of the day, follow your heart and buy what you like.

Yes I agree the SS Diver is the best looking. I think the Ceramic is more functional(will take abuse better), but all black makes the watch to look more like a fashion watch (in my eyes, other people might perceive it differently). And no I am not considering the 5167R, my 5712R filled that spot already. So the question to you is would you feel comfortable to use your AP diver in activities like Swimming, Camping, Snorkling, Vacations, Hiking, etc ?
I do like the Aquanaut, is an all around versatile watch, but now I am not so sure if I would feel comfortable using the aquanaut in the activities I describe above

Originally Posted by AK797

I agree with the guys, for more sporty I would go Diver, altho the ceramic is best for strenuous activity but if you go with the steel bezel I would be prepared to have it polished by AP every year or two, no big deal or cost, as the brush finish is just too nice to have it too marked up imho.

Agree, I wouldn't want it marked up either.

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by 2muchtimeonmyhands

Not a trinity brand but you could always go for a RM006, seems pretty durable and high end

That's Turbillon and a limited edition of 20 watches............................

[goog53]

Jorge... Check these out and maybe they will sway you that it is not a fashion watch. After all many timex and g-shocks are all black. Looking forward to the incoming. (I have no affiliation with Hodinkee)
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/2012/6/...-diver-di.html
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/hands-o...ficial-pricing

[improviz]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

Well I just change my heading for my 3rd watch from "beater" to "Real Sport Watch"(in my signature) because i don't think that any of us wants to see our watches all beat up. But yes we need to have a watch (or 2 ) that we can feel comfortable on sport activities. Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable with an AP 15400/15300, or Nautilus (some of you might). That's why I crerated this thread and proposed the Aquanaut and the AP diver SS. Because I thought I could feel comfortable with both in such activities (swimming, hiking, etc). Also I thought that if I am gonna wear it in such activities their potential of being abused would be higher, and that it should be reflected (to an extent ) in their lower price. I am not saying that 15-20k is cheap but if you want the luxury of using an AP/PP for those activities you have to pay the price.

Agreed. I swam with mine in Cancun (both pool and sea) without reservation as it meets full dive spec and is rated to 300m, so I didn't get it to within 1/100th of that capability :), but am sure it's up to any realistic scuba diving activity for any human in a wetsuit (the Hodinkee videos posted by user good53 should illustrate this). :) And durability wise, from the sounds of it you'll be fine: it sounds like you're going to be far less rough with it than those pictured in the "AP beater" thread, and if they survived that abuse I think you will be just fine!!

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by goog53

Jorge... Check these out and maybe they will sway you that it is not a fashion watch. After all many timex and g-shocks are all black. Looking forward to the incoming. (I have no affiliation with Hodinkee)
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/2012/6/...-diver-di.html
http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/hands-o...ficial-pricing

Now that you point it out, and went and navigate a little more on the subject and found this link :

http://www.watchcollectinglifestyle....-ceramic-diver




Basically what it says is that the ceramic watch is a watch that is better appreciated in person, unfortunately there is no AP dealer in my area (the closer is probably Cincinnati) Also says that the Ceramic is the only AP diver with a caseback that shows movement, That's a plus but I guess it needs to be seen in person and determine if it really worth the extra 5 k for that watch.
Also is also true that I am able to see the Genta backbone more so on the SS that in the Ceramic (even though is the same bezel shape but the black hide it more)
Will see............

[texex91]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

Basically what it says is that the ceramic watch is a watch that is better appreciated in person, unfortunately there is no AP dealer in my area (the closer is probably Cincinnati) Also says that the Ceramic is the only AP diver with a caseback that shows movement, That's a plus but I guess it needs to be seen in person and determine if it really worth the extra 5 k for that watch.
Also is also true that I am able to see the Genta backbone more so on the SS that in the Ceramic (even though is the same bezel shape but the black hide it more)
Will see............

Ceramic is Boutique only--so NYC or Miami are you're two bets

And for the record--ceramic all day.

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by texex91

Ceramic is Boutique only--so NYC or Miami are you're two bets

And for the record--ceramic all day.

Thanks for info , that seals it for me. No Ceramic for me

Cheers !


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[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by improviz

Agreed. I swam with mine in Cancun (both pool and sea) without reservation as it meets full dive spec and is rated to 300m, so I didn't get it to within 1/100th of that capability :), but am sure it's up to any realistic scuba diving activity for any human in a wetsuit (the Hodinkee videos posted by user good53 should illustrate this). :) And durability wise, from the sounds of it you'll be fine: it sounds like you're going to be far less rough with it than those pictured in the "AP beater" thread, and if they survived that abuse I think you will be just fine!!

More enabling ......

[improviz]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

More enabling ......

I know what you mean, I got all the enablement I needed from Ben's pictures, on both the 15400 *and* the Diver!!

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by benlee

I love the Diver but to be honest it is a bit too top heavy as a daily watch. Prefer something lighter and more comfy / understated for a daily. I am assuming OP is referring to the SS diver.

Ben, I am quoting you from another thread just because I want to be sure that I don't end up with the "Panerai Effect". Let me explain you, what is for me this Phenomenon "Killer looks, wears big, you adore 1st but after awhile you begin to feel that watch is becoming boring and the big case that you were putting with it mainly because you were on your honeymoon phase , now begins to bother you to the point that you firmly believe that is too big and uncomfortable ; then little wrist time ; then you sell it "

Note : I just to own PAM 372 and PAM 320

[mario belgium]

Jorge,i meant the AP Diver is more sportswatch than the PP Aquanaut

[JNS89]

Diver


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[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by mario belgium

Jorge,i meant the AP Diver is more sportswatch than the PP Aquanaut

That's what I thought, thanks for clarifying

[AK797]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

Ben, I am quoting you from another thread just because I want to be sure that I don't end up with the "Panerai Effect". Let me explain you, what is for me this Phenomenon "Killer looks, wears big, you adore 1st but after awhile you begin to feel that watch is becoming boring and the big case that you were putting with it mainly because you were on your honeymoon phase , now begins to bother you to the point that you firmly believe that is too big and uncomfortable ; then little wrist time ; then you sell it "

Note : I just to own PAM 372 and PAM 320

Jorge I think this is your biggest issue. The Diver looks fantastic and feels very substantial but it is rather thick, and as you have Pateks and Rolexes it will stand out quite a bit more and may be an issue later on. I used to have one and loved it but my recent watches have been slimmer watches and so now I think if I were to buy a steel AP it would probably be the black dial ROC rather than Diver.

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by AK797

Jorge I think this is your biggest issue. The Diver looks fantastic and feels very substantial but it is rather thick, and as you have Pateks and Rolexes it will stand out quite a bit more and may be an issue later on. I used to have one and loved it but my recent watches have been slimmer watches and so now I think if I were to buy a steel AP it would probably be the black dial ROC rather than Diver.

I hear you, I know that Rolex is watch of choice for rougher activities (rugged). And me stubborn, started with this crazy hunt of trying to find a AP/PP that gets closer to a Rolex. I know that inevitably all will fall short, but trying to find the closer choice has been hard. I think today (any different opinions are welcome) that the AP diver is the closest. I got a little pump, because I I found the closest, but then I starting doubting if the diver is good for me (specially because the Panerai effect that I described above).
So will see....... Either A) I go ahead and pull the trigger for the Diver or B) live happy with my 3.
Your choice of the ROC is a good one but more like a daily wear than a Real Sport Watch.
Thanks

[JorgeCCW]

It really has presence