The TerryNator Thread

[RW16610]

Nice work Terry, my hat's off to you. The more people like you in this world the better it would be.

[Orchi]

Originally Posted by Terry Newton

I reported all of these watches including Orchi's fine description of what is wrong with the one that he pointed me in the direction of. May they all be terminated post haste.

Terry Newton

Err buddy Terry...thanks for your relentless effort to rid off possible scams in eBay...you should be on eBay's payroll by now...

The listing of the 16750 is still there when Orchi last checked...

1. Look at these images posted in the listing...




i) The markers are NON-Rolex Originals being altered n stuck deliberately on the Dial(believed to be once Matte Dial) by using GLUE!!!(triagle markers of Matte Dial is longer just above the Rolex coronet)...6 n 9 o'clock markers(believed to be Seiko parts) are too BIG n FAT to be Rolex original parts...!

ii) At 2 n 6 o'clock markers...the top of the marker edge show signs of it being 'GLUED' ON also...similar to the rest of the round markers(NON Rolex)...!

iii) ALL markers are RE-Painted...

iii) The hands are clearly seen as being RE-Painted...also.

YET...the Power Seller claims...

"This is a black dial vintage GMT-Master "Pepsi" transitional is its original, untouched condition."

"Dial: Original black dial in good condition - untouched and original - aged to match hands"




iv) Here the clasps n the bracelet links are FAKED NON-Original Rolex parts...

YET the Power Seller claims...

"Band: Beautiful Rolex solid and heavy oyster bracelet. 11 links. Will fit wrist of up to 19cm. Excellent condition with reference 78360 and end piece reference 580"




v) Here the inner surface circumference on inside of the backcase...just above the 'Montres Rolex SA"...clearly show sign of abrasion with the winding rotor which has a loosen rotor shaft...

vi) Here on the image of the movement...the edges of the movement frame show sign of friction against the same bad winding rotor shaft...

YET the Power Seller claims...

"Working Condition: Yes

Serviced: Yes, freshly serviced

Comments: Pepsi Rolex GMT with Oyster band in original condition"

Note: Images n item descriptions were taken from eBay listing of a 16750 GMT Master watch...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA:IT&ih=006

Note: The next pictures were taken from a genuine 100% Rolex 16750 GMT Master...n other genuine Rolex WG Gloss n Matte Dials for early Ref 16750...that are "DATE"less.

[Terry Newton]

Orchi:

Thank-You for putting all of the work in describing the issues with this sale. I reported this to E-Bay and placed a link to this posting of yours so they can see what the issues are. I have reported this more than once but suspect that they are in a quandary due to him being a power seller with so many sales. I suspect that they will pay better attention with all of the work you put in to this posting.

Terry Newton

[Rolex74]

Fake Daytona for you, he even states it has a Japanese movement.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Daytona-Oy...QQcmdZViewItem

Another Fake Daytona, check out the photos fromt he link in the auction, the one photo shows the engraved caseback.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Daytona-Rolex_W0...QQcmdZViewItem

[Terry Newton]

Reported the Japanese Movement.

Terry Newton

[Rolex74]

Originally Posted by Terry Newton

Reported the Japanese Movement.

Terry Newton

Did you report the 2nd one too?

What do you think about this one too...

http://cgi.ebay.com/mens-Rolex-datej...QQcmdZViewItem

[Terry Newton]

No I did not. She has 100% rating and I believe she thinks it is real. I told her it is a fake and all of the details that make it a fake. I gave her 24 hours to voluntarily pull it or I will report it.

Terry Newton

[Rolex74]

Originally Posted by Terry Newton

No I did not. She has 100% rating and I believe she thinks it is real. I told her it is a fake and all of the details that make it a fake. I gave her 24 hours to voluntarily pull it or I will report it.

Terry Newton

Sounds good to me

[Rolex74]

Another Fake, the band is wrapped in plastic for one, plus that dial is nasty!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...id=p2759.l1259

[Terry Newton]

I sent them a link to an actual picture of this women's watch with the sodalite dial. There is no comparison. This is a piece of junk.

Terry Newton

[Rolex74]

Originally Posted by Terry Newton

I sent them a link to an actual picture of this women's watch with the sodalite dial. There is no comparison. This is a piece of junk.

Terry Newton

Here is his response when I asked for serial/model number, more photos and if we could take it to an AD in NY..

Dear rusty974,

If you Look at my feedback you can see that i sell watches.

You can look at the watch if you want I offer a full refund if not authentic.

there is an authorized rolex dealer in brooklyn you can bring the watch to them

charles
718 809 5028


- cg416

[Terry Newton]

Originally Posted by Rolex74

Did you report the 2nd one too?

What do you think about this one too...

http://cgi.ebay.com/mens-Rolex-datej...QQcmdZViewItem

I'm not sure about this one. The pictures are lousy but it looks like it's got that horrible hologram on the back. Opinions from the community please?

Terry Newton

[Rolex74]

Originally Posted by Terry Newton

I'm not sure about this one. The pictures are lousy but it looks like it's got that horrible hologram on the back. Opinions from the community please?

Terry Newton

Maybe we should email him and ask alot of questions, let's see if he has answers?

[Terry Newton]

As far as the sodalite dial it may be genuine. Look at this version of the men's and let me know what you think.



Terry Newton

[Rolex74]

Originally Posted by Terry Newton

As far as the sodalite dial it may be genuine. Look at this version of the men's and let me know what you think.

Terry Newton

I think it is fake mainly due to the plastic wrap around the band, every fake I have ever seen has that same wrap on it.

He emailed me..I asked for serial numbers etc...here is what I asked..

Dear cg416,

What is the serial number and model number? Why is the bracelet wrapped in plastic like all fake Rolexes I have seen?


- rusty974

His reply..

Dear rusty974,

you are not obligated to bid so please dont waste my time


- cg416

[Rolex74]

Another fake Daytona, fake photos..

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Daytona-Wh...QQcmdZViewItem

Fake Yachtmaster, he has been reported before for selling fakes..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-18K-GOLD-Y...QQcmdZViewItem

[Orchi]

Err buddy Terry...here's Orchi's 25 thousand Dollars question...!

In this eBay listing...the so called Rolex Moonphase Ref 80816...is highly possibly FAKED...!




Note: The above pictures taken from...

http://cgi.ebay.com/GOLD-ROLEX-TRIPL...QQcmdZViewItem

As little as Orchi read...Rolex had never used a Lemania or Omega type of chronograph Caliber Movement before...
Just look at the movement's 2 pcs of harness retainer screws...attached to the watch case...so flimsy!




Pictures of Lemania Cal.2310 n Omega Cal. 321 are courtesy of:

http://www.ninanet.net/watches/other.../mlemania.html

[Terry Newton]

This is an actual moonphase Rolex from the 1950's and the movement looks nothing like the watch that is listed in E-Bay for sale.

http://www.trocadero.com/Aben/items/404372/en4.html

There is this chronograph in the same sales place that shows a movement much like the one in the E-Bay sale. Someone who knows the vintage Rolex models needs to pipe in over this one.

http://www.trocadero.com/Aben/items/.../en3store.html

It could be genuine or it could be fake. Please look at both of the watches and let me know what you think.

Terry Newton

[Fey]

Well from looking at those pictures the movement seems genuine but the dial doesn't seem to confirm to similar older ones.

Very difficult to say, needs an AD authenticity check.

[Terry Newton]

When compared to this one in the UK it looks fake. This one here states that it is officially certified and states Rolex Perpetual. Plus the crown on the dial looks better on the UK site. I'm continuing my search.

http://www.thewatchguru.co.uk/Vintag...ches.asp?pn=10

Terry Newton

[Fey]

Closest i could find to the ebay pic (regarding the watch on right):



Sadly the pic isen't very big so its hard to tell differences but dial color is different, seems it also doesn't have those blue numbers on the outside ring like the one in this pic.

On second looks the dials are completely different actually

[Terry Newton]

Here is another moonphase watch from the UK site and it also looks like it has a better crown and states it's officially certified. I'm more inclined to believe the one on E-Bay is possibly a fake. Rolex seems to have the trademark of officially certifying their timepieces and this one is not certified which breaks tradition.

http://www.thewatchguru.co.uk/Vintag...ches.asp?pn=12

Finally, here is the last one from the UK site which also has the certification.

http://www.thewatchguru.co.uk/Vintag...ches.asp?pn=13

Terry Newton

[Fey]

To me it looks like the dial of this:



Mixed with this (one on right):



Equals this:



Crown is also bit off to the right and is between the two windows. In the 2nd pic the rolex crown is below these two windows and also seems more centered.

I think were closing in on FAKE! Terry

[Terry Newton]

I agree; all of the one's I have found have the traditional officially certified chronometer stated on the dials. They also have a gold crown applied to the dial instead of the cheap looking black imprint that is on the one that is suspect.

I am so convinced now that I reported it to E-Bay with links to all of the watches I found for comparison.

Good work and thanks for the help.

Thank-You Orchi for bringing this to my attention.

Terry Newton

[Rolex74]

Originally Posted by Rolex74

I think it is fake mainly due to the plastic wrap around the band, every fake I have ever seen has that same wrap on it.

He emailed me..I asked for serial numbers etc...here is what I asked..

Dear cg416,

What is the serial number and model number? Why is the bracelet wrapped in plastic like all fake Rolexes I have seen?


- rusty974


His reply..

Dear rusty974,

you are not obligated to bid so please dont waste my time


- cg416

When asked again for serial/model numbers here is what he said...

Dear rusty974,

dont waste my time


- cg416

This is a fake, hands down

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...id=p2761.l1259

his latest email...

Dear rusty974,

this is real do not threaten me or i will file a compalaint if you dont want to bid dont


- cg416

Oh yeah don't forget he never answered why it has the plastic wrap around the bracelet like a fake does.

He still can't give me any info about the serial number..

Dear rusty974,

that is why it is up to 910 why dont you go to rolex and pay retail stop wasting my time


- cg416

I asked about the plastic on the bracelet just now

[Terry Newton]

Here is further proof that the moonphase listed is a possible fake. He claims his model is Rolex 81806. In Antiquorum there is a Rolex Moonphase for sale that states these were:

81806, only produced as a prototype, according to Rolex correspondance dated Aug. 22, 1986. Similar watches are published in "Collecting Rolex Wristwatches" ...

Here is a picture of the one listed by Antiquorum that is estimated at fetching $120,000 - $150,000:

http://www.antiquorum.com/eng/brandi...ionid=165.html

Notice it also has the officially certified chronometer rating on the dial and looks like the pictures I posted earlier; not like the one on E-Bay.

I feel confident in the reporting of this sale to E-Bay.

Here is another example in E-Bay that is a fake and being sold similarly as the other auction. I will report this one as well:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Triple-Cal...06071253r19912

Terry Newton

[Rolex74]

Originally Posted by Rolex74

When asked again for serial/model numbers here is what he said...

Dear rusty974,

dont waste my time


- cg416

This is a fake, hands down

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...id=p2761.l1259

his latest email...

Dear rusty974,

this is real do not threaten me or i will file a compalaint if you dont want to bid dont


- cg416

Oh yeah don't forget he never answered why it has the plastic wrap around the bracelet like a fake does.

He still can't give me any info about the serial number..

Dear rusty974,

that is why it is up to 910 why dont you go to rolex and pay retail stop wasting my time


- cg416

I asked about the plastic on the bracelet just now

The reason for the plastic wrap..

Dear rusty974,

the platic is on bracelet because i had the watch on consignment in a Jewelery store that is how thy display it


- cg416

Still don't believe him this is fake.

[Rolex74]

Originally Posted by Rolex74

The reason for the plastic wrap..

Dear rusty974,

the platic is on bracelet because i had the watch on consignment in a Jewelery store that is how thy display it


- cg416

Still don't believe him this is fake.

GONE!!!

[Terry Newton]

Well that settled that didn't it.

Terry Newton

[Rolex74]

Originally Posted by Terry Newton

Well that settled that didn't it.

Terry Newton

Yes it did