Vacheron Constantin Overseas vs. Rolex Daytona

[Watch Rob]

I like the VC

[rolehex]

VC for me.

[ragingcao]

I just don't like that Ninja star bezel on the VC at all.
So Daytona it is.

[bio guyver]

If it's not for Gerald Genta Ap And Pp will be forgotten in the sport watch line. Rolex never used his design and there sport watchs so successful best in the industry.

[AK797]

Differing subdial sizes is also a bit of a bug bear for me, so make sure you are cool with that on the VCO. The SS Daytona wears smaller than 40mm so be cool with that too, the ceramic feels a bit bigger.

[PJ S]

Originally Posted by Louies

...Recently, I've been contemplating to buy either a Rolex Daytona and a Vacheron Constantin Overseas. ...

The VCO 49150 must be bought pre-owned or at a hefty discount, given your hangup about residual value.
Also, go into the purchase with your eyes fully open – the VCO will cost significantly more to service than the Daytona, at least twice, if not more.
The Rolex will have a 5 year warranty to fall back on should something happen that wasn’t user instigated, the Vacheron will have the more typical 2 year warranty.
Rolex suggests the first service can be put off for 10 years, but the Overseas may not make it as far as that, before showing symptoms of needing serviced – we’re not talking 2-3 years, but start preparing yourself by 5-7, if worn regularly.
Typically Rolex’s service cost includes replacing worn parts in the movement, if needed, whereas Vacheron may charge for certain parts, thereby resulting in an even higher price.
Whilst any watch left unserviced for 15-20 years may show no signs of having deteriorated in timing or power reserve, you can be sure than wear will have occurred, and some parts will need replacing – for some, this is acceptable if the price then is less than it would’ve been had they serviced it every 5-6 years.

Just like cars, an affordable 7 Series or S-Class may be an attractive proposition when looking at what your budget can buy, but they still have their associated running/repair costs – therefore, very much a case of having to pay-to-play.

So when can we expect to see the incoming photos of your Overseas, then?

[T. Ferguson]

I don't even see a choice here. The Daytona is not even available. Jomashop is in the same boat as the rest of us, stuck on wait lists and quoting 2-3 month delay to ship. So you'd be stuck on their wait list to get to the top of one of the wait lists they are on. Given that they can't even ship the watch why should I pay the "early adopter" premium they are asking over MSRP (even if I was willing to, which I'm not)?

Joma and some of the others do this all the time, quickly list the new releases for sale even though they don't have them.

But just as an exercise in personal preference, I like the Daytona more.

[sco]

Originally Posted by Muzz

Additionally, I would prefer my timepieces to not have religious symbols built into the design. I just need a watch to be a watch.

This, aside from everything else, I just can't get past this.....

[Gnomon]

Originally Posted by sco

This, aside from everything else, I just can't get past this.....

Guess you and Muzz will have to stay away from Patek Philippe purchases too then...

Come to think of it, you'd better be a bit wary of Omega too. Water resistant IWCs are right out too, I suppose. Can't let any of that Dan Brown stuff slip by us, you know.

Or perhaps just chill. Unless you're a vampire, it's not going to hurt you :)

On the plus side, we may have just solved the mystery of who shot down the Red Baron.

[Muzz]

Originally Posted by Gnomon

Guess you and Muzz will have to stay away from Patek Philippe purchases too then...

Come to think of it, you'd better be a bit wary of Omega too. Water resistant IWCs are right out too, I suppose. Can't let any of that Dan Brown stuff slip by us, you know.

Or perhaps just chill. Unless you're a vampire, it's not going to hurt you :)

On the plus side, we may have just solved the mystery of who shot down the Red Baron.

Forum rules about religion are specific. My comment was boarder line, replying to your post in detail would be an infraction. Please have a wonderful day

[sco]

Originally Posted by Gnomon

Guess you and Muzz will have to stay away from Patek Philippe purchases too then...

Come to think of it, you'd better be a bit wary of Omega too. Water resistant IWCs are right out too, I suppose. Can't let any of that Dan Brown stuff slip by us, you know.

Or perhaps just chill. Unless you're a vampire, it's not going to hurt you :)

On the plus side, we may have just solved the mystery of who shot down the Red Baron.

Watches are personal, tastes are personal. Your comparisons do not make much sense to me, but that's ok...

[breitlings]

Originally Posted by Gnomon

Guess you and Muzz will have to stay away from Patek Philippe purchases too then...

Come to think of it, you'd better be a bit wary of Omega too. Water resistant IWCs are right out too, I suppose. Can't let any of that Dan Brown stuff slip by us, you know.

Or perhaps just chill. Unless you're a vampire, it's not going to hurt you :)

On the plus side, we may have just solved the mystery of who shot down the Red Baron.

X2. U should avoid all swiss watches and switzerland itself since the swiss flag is also a symbol. And perhaps the US and west indies since Columbus ships also flew the same symbol.

[Gnomon]

Funnily enough, a famous Saudi Oil Minister, Sheik Yamani (son of a Qadi and Grand Mufti, FWIW) was for a while the majority shareholder in Vacheron Constantin. He later sold out to Richemont.

Not a huge fan of the Overseas myself, but wouldn't say no to a Patrimony Traditionelle Small Seconds in white gold!


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[RocketScience]

Originally Posted by PJ S

You’re talking complete and utter tripe!
The only adhesive used (which is widely used in the industry) is threadlock or its non-commercial name alternative, to prevent screws backing out of their threaded holes.

It's not about screws)

[improviz]

Originally Posted by RocketScience

It's not about screws)

OK, so let's see a valid source for this extremely dubious claim.

[sdimi]

I pondered the same two watches. I tried on the VC and it sat too big on my wrist. It also didn't give me the impression of great quality like a Rolex. Once I had it on my wrist, the dealer started talking discounts without me even asking.
I ended up buying a Daytona. It sits nicely on my wrist and in my opinion feels like a better quality piece. I've had it 2 years now and am very happy with my decision.

[Daycruiser]

I have both and the VC is a little bit bigger and sits better on the wrist. I have the dual time version, but the chrono has a great Piaget 1135 movement, which is soooo smooth, I can attest to that as the AP 26320 that I have uses the same movement.


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[srvrf]

Originally Posted by PJ S

The VCO 49150 must be bought pre-owned or at a hefty discount, given your hangup about residual value.

Very true. MSRP for the VCOC is significantly higher and may in part be due to things like hand finishing and decorating the movement, but it remains hidden in a solid steel caseback like the Daytona.

Also, go into the purchase with your eyes fully open – the VCO will cost significantly more to service than the Daytona, at least twice, if not more.
The Rolex will have a 5 year warranty to fall back on should something happen that wasn’t user instigated, the Vacheron will have the more typical 2 year warranty.

Not true at least for the US. My Daytona was serviced by RSC in Dallas for $1000 and my VCOC by VC in Ft. Worth for $1300. No major components required replacement in either case. So I think it is accurate to say expect VC to be more expensive than Rolex, but not that much more. But clearly, the cost and timing of service should be factored in while considering any pre-owned vs. new watch

[BLACKHORSE 6]

If you decide to go with the VC, be sure to buy used.

[Ckci]

I did a similar post back around Dec of last year. The opinions were strongly held on both sides. I didn't and don't care for the shiny bezel on the 116520. Also I find the subdials are often hard to read on the 116520's. I went with the VC and have never regretted it.

It a watch I always enjoy wearing. To me it beats the 116520. I've since bought a white zenith daytona w panda dials and a couple 6263's. I'm waiting on my Daytona C.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Daycruiser

I have both and the VC is a little bit bigger and sits better on the wrist. I have the dual time version, but the chrono has a great Piaget 1135 movement, which is soooo smooth, I can attest to that as the AP 26320 that I have uses the same movement.


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It's an F Piguet 1135 and I had that AP ROC and agree it was very solid.

[Daycruiser]

Originally Posted by AK797

It's an F Piguet 1135 and I had that AP ROC and agree it was very solid.

Cheers Neil! I keep getting the name wrong!

[Louies]

Originally Posted by sdimi

... Once I had it on my wrist, the dealer started talking discounts without me even asking.

How much discounts was he talking about? Joomashop currently has 27-33% depending on the model. Do you guys recommend buying these watches online with vendors like Joomashop or go to a brick and mortar shop? I know Rolex wants you to buy from their AD for them to honor the warranty. Is VC doing the same?

Originally Posted by srvrf

Not true at least for the US. My Daytona was serviced by RSC in Dallas for $1000 and my VCOC by VC in Ft. Worth for $1300. No major components required replacement in either case. So I think it is accurate to say expect VC to be more expensive than Rolex, but not that much more. But clearly, the cost and timing of service should be factored in while considering any pre-owned vs. new watch

How often do you service these things? If it's a 5 year or more interval, that isn't to bad.

[Louies]

Originally Posted by PJ S

Also, go into the purchase with your eyes fully open – the VCO will cost significantly more to service than the Daytona, at least twice, if not more.
The Rolex will have a 5 year warranty to fall back on should something happen that wasn’t user instigated, the Vacheron will have the more typical 2 year warranty.
Rolex suggests the first service can be put off for 10 years, but the Overseas may not make it as far as that, before showing symptoms of needing serviced – we’re not talking 2-3 years, but start preparing yourself by 5-7, if worn regularly.
Typically Rolex’s service cost includes replacing worn parts in the movement, if needed, whereas Vacheron may charge for certain parts, thereby resulting in an even higher price.
Whilst any watch left unserviced for 15-20 years may show no signs of having deteriorated in timing or power reserve, you can be sure than wear will have occurred, and some parts will need replacing – for some, this is acceptable if the price then is less than it would’ve been had they serviced it every 5-6 years.

Thanks for the heads up. It's nice to know what to expect prior to plunking down some serious dough for my new endeavor.

So when can we expect to see the incoming photos of your Overseas, then?

Probably by Christmas or New Year.

[PJ S]

Originally Posted by srvrf

Not true at least for the US. My Daytona was serviced by RSC in Dallas for $1000 and my VCOC by VC in Ft. Worth for $1300.
...
So I think it is accurate to say expect VC to be more expensive than Rolex, but not that much more.

Mea culpa — lapsed into thinking of Sub service cost!

[srvrf]

Originally Posted by PJ S

Mea culpa — lapsed into thinking of Sub service cost!

Really it is similar for chronographs that aren't ETAs.


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[T. Ferguson]

Originally Posted by Louies

How much discounts was he talking about? Joomashop currently has 27-33% depending on the model. Do you guys recommend buying these watches online with vendors like Joomashop or go to a brick and mortar shop? I know Rolex wants you to buy from their AD for them to honor the warranty. Is VC doing the same?...

Jomashop does not sell either brand with a manufacturers warranty, but rather replaces it with their own.

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by Ckci

I did a similar post back around Dec of last year. The opinions were strongly held on both sides. I didn't and don't care for the shiny bezel on the 116520. Also I find the subdials are often hard to read on the 116520's. I went with the VC and have never regretted it.
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It a watch I always enjoy wearing. To me it beats the 116520. I've since bought a white zenith daytona w panda dials and a couple 6263's. I'm waiting on my Daytona C.

Great photo of a beautiful watch!!!

[Ruud Van Driver]

Originally Posted by Muzz

Not an huge fan of the VC bezel. While I appreciate what they were trying to do, it just makes it a pain to clean and wipe down as gunk gets into all of those tight spaces.

While I have had many opportunities to buy an Overseas chrono I have never followed through as it just didn't sing to me. However every one that I have looked at sold relatively quickly and there is a good demand and following for them.

The Daytona despite being smaller is cleaner and far more comfortable on my wrist. A quick wipe and it is clean without spending too much time on it. Additionally it is cheaper and more liquid if you decide to trade or sell.

The market price for these VC Overseas Chronos have softened so factor that into your decision. New can be had for a discount where that will not be the case for the Daytona.

Additionally, I would prefer my timepieces to not have religious symbols built into the design. I just need a watch to be a watch.

Some great advice, Steve

I'm no expert so I can't add too much constructive guidance of my own. The only thing I can say is that you're quite likely going to pay above MSRP for the new Daytona-C, which will balance out any 'loss' should you decide to sell the VC because you'll never get that premium back.

Aside from that, I prefer the 116520 to the 116500.

If it were me, I buy to wear not to flip and given the options, I think I would much prefer Russell's blue dial VC (post No. 80) to the 116500.

Good luck

[Louies]

I was searching the forum and found a thread regarding this same comparison made a couple of years ago (2011). Someone then complained that VCOC isn't a "real" VC because it doesn't have the "in house movement." What's he referring to? Why is it so important?

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=161686