16610LV The real 50th Anniversary sub???

[Loevhagen]

Originally Posted by Rolex addict

I have never seen any such reference chart. Please provide a website or link and I will be more than happy to.

Here's one: https://www.watchclub.com/curated-by...ry-sub-decoded

VRF also has one: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/vint...nn-t11697.html

[Rolex addict]

Originally Posted by Loevhagen

Here's one: https://www.watchclub.com/curated-by...ry-sub-decoded

VRF also has one: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/vint...nn-t11697.html

Very cool. Thanks. This is why I love TRF. Get to learn new stuff.

[gbmarq88]

Thanks guys - good info.

However, I just thought of something...

Doesn't Rolex engrave the serial number between the lugs at 6:00, and the MODEL number between the lugs at 12:00? (Pre-rehaut engraving of course)

Therefore, the model number would be either 16610 -or- 16610LV.

Wouldn't that verify that the original watch is, in fact, a "Kermit"? (LV = Lunette Verte)

[Polowu]

Imho Fat 4 are just a hype. Soon there will be more of them than pointed ones on the market and that sub bubble will pop.
A friend has a mark 1 dial with pointed 4 bezel. The whatch has never left his wrist and I always remember him wearing it.....

[onshow]

Originally Posted by gbmarq88

Thanks guys - good info.

However, I just thought of something...

Doesn't Rolex engrave the serial number between the lugs at 6:00, and the MODEL number between the lugs at 12:00? (Pre-rehaut engraving of course)

Therefore, the model number would be either 16610 -or- 16610LV.

Wouldn't that verify that the original watch is, in fact, a "Kermit"? (LV = Lunette Verte)

Rolex engraved 16610 T on one side and the serial number on the other side. No where will you find LV engraved on any of the anniversary watches.

[onshow]

Originally Posted by Polowu

Imho Fat 4 are just a hype. Soon there will be more of them than pointed ones on the market and that sub bubble will pop.
A friend has a mark 1 dial with pointed 4 bezel. The whatch has never left his wrist and I always remember him wearing it.....

Hi Polowu, the 16610LV FAT 4's were only made for a very short period of time
from sep 2003 to Oct 2004 and are now obviously discontinued so i am confussed how there will be more Fat 4's than pointed 4's (which were in production for approx 6 years) as you stated above????

Care to share how you came to this conclusion?

[1665fan]

LV non engraved rehaut are the true anniversary models

[fleabag]

Originally Posted by onshow

Hi Polowu, the 16610LV FAT 4's were only made for a very short period of time

from sep 2003 to Oct 2004 and are now obviously discontinued so i am confussed how there will be more Fat 4's than pointed 4's (which were in production for approx 6 years) as you stated above????



Care to share how you came to this conclusion?

I would like to see what answer he comes back with


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[Polowu]

Originally Posted by onshow

Hi Polowu, the 16610LV FAT 4's were only made for a very short period of time
from sep 2003 to Oct 2004 and are now obviously discontinued so i am confussed how there will be more Fat 4's than pointed 4's (which were in production for approx 6 years) as you stated above????

Care to share how you came to this conclusion?

Based on the fact in 2008 only 4-5% of the kermit for sale were fat 4s, when I look around nowadays we are already around 7-8% of them. Based on the possible profit you will see there number rising only more and more.

[onshow]

Originally Posted by Polowu

Based on the fact in 2008 only 4-5% of the kermit for sale were fat 4s, when I look around nowadays we are already around 7-8% of them. Based on the possible profit you will see there number rising only more and more.

Interesting conclusion, would love to see the source of those percentages.

Did you take into consideration all those fat 4 Kermit’s that have been lost/damaged, serviced with non genuine parts, bezel changes, lost warranty papers etc.??

My opinion stands, these rare 50th anniversary 16610LV Fat4’s continue to gain attention from collectors and are getting harder and harder to find in “original genuine” condition with papers. There will always be demand for these unique, discontinued models.

[1665fan]

It’s flat 4 not fat 4......

[onshow]

Elephant, Lion, Same......

[Onequik135i]

Does anyone know how many of each year were produced out of curiosity? I have the more common of the run which is an early Z with paper/cert (not the card). I could have sworn I had seen another Z listed for sale on TRF months back in which the seller stated in his LV for sale headline 1/18XX were produced.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by onshow

Hi all,

With the price of these beautiful watches increasing and in high demand it's interesting to see the price variance between the flat 4 and pointed 4.

The big question is which year is the genuine 50th Anniversary watch?

The first 16610LV's were sold in 2003 but the first sub was released in 1954 at Baselworld so a 2003 16610LV would make it 49 years since the first sub so it begs the question are the 2004 model/purchased 16610LV's the genuine 50th Anniversary models and the ones that are most desirable?

This would make the F series the genuine 50th Anniversary watches???

Thoughts???

All 16610LV are anniversary subs its only in internet land that the so called true anniversary subs exits.

[HappyFish]

Originally Posted by padi56

All 16610LV are anniversary subs its only in internet land that the so called true anniversary subs exits.

No, no and 1000 times no! It`s not internet land - 50 years are 50 years and so the "real" anniversary models are only the ones from 2003! The market is always right and so are the premiums for the 2003 models! Basta!

[HappyFish]

Originally Posted by onshow

Hi all,

With the price of these beautiful watches increasing and in high demand it's interesting to see the price variance between the flat 4 and pointed 4.

The big question is which year is the genuine 50th Anniversary watch?

The first 16610LV's were sold in 2003 but the first sub was released in 1954 at Baselworld so a 2003 16610LV would make it 49 years since the first sub so it begs the question are the 2004 model/purchased 16610LV's the genuine 50th Anniversary models and the ones that are most desirable?

This would make the F series the genuine 50th Anniversary watches???

Thoughts???

Yes and no! The Submariner model went into production in 1953 and was showcased at the Basel Watch Fair in 1954.

At the official Rolex Website they mention 1953 as birth year of the Submariner! So it`s 1953!

[Tavli3]

I'll go by what Mr Market says and he says that the 2003 Y serial Flat Fours are the most valuable, with it seems the 2010/11 Random serial models right behind them.

[SS Oyster]

Originally Posted by fleabag

2003,Flat 4


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You need to send all of that marketing hype back to Rolex and demand a 2004 watch. Rolex made a mistake, which you must demand they correct. LOL


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[fleabag]

Originally Posted by SS Oyster

You need to send all of that marketing hype back to Rolex and demand a 2004 watch. Rolex made a mistake, which you must demand they correct. LOL


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Your right there , I’m going to throw all this rubbish & waste of paper in the bin ..... the full lot of it, right now



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