Rolex Daytona’s 116500 lost/stolen by USPS

[AK797]

Originally Posted by VicLeChic

I smell an insurance scam. I've got the feeling the two Daytonas are still sitting at the AD...

That was my thought if the package was empty, they can sell them on to grey dealers or privately now.

[City74]

Yea something here doesn’t add up


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[N5XTC]

wow, u cannot trust anyone when something is insured for many K.

[brandrea]

I still can’t get past the fact that there were two Daytona’s in a display case in Florida and sold to a walk in

[N5XTC]

Originally Posted by brandrea

I still can’t get past the fact that there were two Daytona’s in a display case in Florida and sold to a walk in

maybe many people purchased these Rolex and had them shipped. LOL

[lenfried29]

Originally Posted by kalo925

Maybe the OP is in on it? Something is very strange.. Most of it doesn't make sense. His last line. "Anyone ever receive a label with no package attached." What kind of question is that? how can it be serious?





Sorry, there are so many holes in your story. I just don't get what you are trying to do..

You didn't discuss the method of shipping and cost when buying the watches? They were going to ship on their dime when it's your request? Do you know the limit for insurance for USPS Express is $5000? Do you think they really would "always" use that to ship expensive watches? They waited almost a week to ship? He called you to tell you he was ready to ship out? Are you going to post a photo of the warranty card and receipt? Why would you admit to tax fraud when your phone number is posted here? It's easy to know everything about you.. I really don't get this.. Something is going on with you.. Hope nothing to bad.

I don't think we'll hear from OP again.

[m j b]

The OP is a pledge member, which makes me think that he's not a troll, but I suppose it could still happen, maybe he was bored one day and thought he'd have some fun? Lots of odd things in the story.

Not that I'd ever try to break the law just to avoid sales tax <cough> but if I did, I'd take the watch home and have the dealer mail a box of rocks.

[jumproductions]

Originally Posted by brandrea

I still can’t get past the fact that there were two Daytona’s in a display case in Florida and sold to a walk in

I understand the fact it seems unbelievable to find two Daytona’s in display but I assure you this was the case. I told the boutique this was very unusual and they said typically they call their best customers but the owner wanted to get new clients and sell in store. Believe me if this comes to a happy resolution this will be my AD for life. For the record I had no intention to commit any kind of tax fraud and sure my accountant would have made me in compliance come tax season. Thank you again for those of you that have been supportive and understand how some can be skeptical since if the package is never recovered then fraud and/or theft was committed.

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by jumproductions

I understand the fact it seems unbelievable to find two Daytona’s in display but I assure you this was the case. I told the boutique this was very unusual and they said typically they call their best customers but the owner wanted to get new clients and sell in store. Believe me if this comes to a happy resolution this will be my AD for life. For the record I had no intention to commit any kind of tax fraud and sure my accountant would have made me in compliance come tax season. Thank you again for those of you that have been supportive and understand how some can be skeptical since if the package is never recovered then fraud and/or theft was committed.

so you are from florida and shipped them out of state? you're admitting to state sales tax fraud on a forum if this is the case.

but i agree you probably should not have had the AD ship them and just walked out with them.

[nektar]

Originally Posted by jumproductions

Right two Daytona’s in the display case seemed insane. Obviously in hindsight I shouldn’t have risked shipping such irreplaceable watches at MSRP but I have never had a shipping issue in my life and put trust in the AD.

2 daytonas .. Impossible. Impossible.

[k1985]

Originally Posted by jumproductions

I understand the fact it seems unbelievable to find two Daytona’s in display but I assure you this was the case. I told the boutique this was very unusual and they said typically they call their best customers but the owner wanted to get new clients and sell in store. Believe me if this comes to a happy resolution this will be my AD for life. For the record I had no intention to commit any kind of tax fraud and sure my accountant would have made me in compliance come tax season. Thank you again for those of you that have been supportive and understand how some can be skeptical since if the package is never recovered then fraud and/or theft was committed.

Could have had 2 new customers for life if they didn't sell you both... I get it for one watch, but why sell you 2 of one of the hardest watches to find?

[mj1214]

Originally Posted by lenfried29

something is fishy in that story right from the beginning with ad having two daytonas in the store...

+1

[mj1214]

this post is fake news

[FirstF80InSpace]

First, why wouldn't you have worn one and your girlfriend where one out the store and just ship the boxes?

Second, Daytona's are such a high demand watch why would the AD do all this for a walk-in customer? Those Daytona's would have been sold in a couple of hours.

[Mystro]

USPS Registered Mail is THE most secure shipping for high value items.
By “high value” I am talking a lot more than a few Rolex watches but large quantities of diamonds etc... You would be shocked at the dollar amount of items that can only go via USPS Registered mail.

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by VicLeChic

I smell an insurance scam. I've got the feeling the two Daytonas are still sitting at the AD...

[schoolboy]

Interesting


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[jsausley]

Originally Posted by GoingPlaces

So no sales tax? Isn't that illegal?

This whole "shipping out of state" deal is illegal anyway in most states. It's a Sales AND Use Tax, not just a sales tax.

Originally Posted by FirstF80InSpace

First, why wouldn't you have worn one and your girlfriend where one out the store and just ship the boxes?

Screw that, I'd dual wield these mofos like Nicolas G. Hayek.

[cloudplay]

Originally Posted by jumproductions

For the record I had no intention to commit any kind of tax fraud and sure my accountant would have made me in compliance come tax season.

"When purchasing High ticket items I try to avoid sales tax and asked if they could ship out of state to avoid tax"

[Heff]

Originally Posted by jumproductions

I understand the fact it seems unbelievable to find two Daytona’s in display but I assure you this was the case. I told the boutique this was very unusual and they said typically they call their best customers but the owner wanted to get new clients and sell in store. Believe me if this comes to a happy resolution this will be my AD for life. For the record I had no intention to commit any kind of tax fraud and sure my accountant would have made me in compliance come tax season. Thank you again for those of you that have been supportive and understand how some can be skeptical since if the package is never recovered then fraud and/or theft was committed.

If their intention was to get new clients why would they sell BOTH Daytona’s to one person? Seems like they’d want to bring in more than just one client.

This whole thing seems very strange.


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[franklee168]

Since no one else has said it, I'll be the first. I'm calling bullshit.

[GoingPlaces]

Originally Posted by kalo925

Hasn't commited a crime yet. Only if he doesn't declare the purchase on his state income tax (which defeats the scheme he is describing). I wonder what % of people do delcare those out of state Ebay and other purchases?? I imagine it is very low. 5% is a wild guess, but I have no idea for sure.

Correct, technically he has until April 2019 to declare. No laws broken.

[casadecamporolex]

Originally Posted by Eric-London

As someone on here mentioned, why didn't you take the watches with you (seeing as you paid for them) and get the AD to just ship the boxes?

As I learned long ago, the only thing worse than no business is bad business.
Do you think the retailer is willingly going to commit tax fraud by shipping empty boxes? Why?
If you can afford 2 Daytonas, you can pay the tax. Or, tell retailer to insure for replacement value when shipping, get copy of registered receipt and either way, you can’t lose.
Valuables better to send USPS Registered Mail. Good enough for RolexUSA to ship, good enough for me.

[Lemonvr6]

Not one single part of this story makes sense

[T01]

I'm very sorry to hear that, I hope it gets sorted swiftly.

[josephvman]

Shipping out of state and not paying sales tax isn’t illegal but it’s up to the buyer to self-report and pay the tax in his home state. Basically it shifts the responsibility to the buyer from the seller.

Frankly I call BS on this whole story. I may have been born yesterday, but I stayed up all night...

[josephvman]

Duplicate post, please delete!

[Andrew NYC]

The story surely is not a good one but shipping items out of state is certainly not out of the ordinary. I've bought quite a few (~10) watches through ADs and have had them shipped out of state (using UPS, FedEx, USPS Reg Mail) without a problem. Most every AD I've dealt with is willing to ship the watch (typically at no additional cost) but not just the box as that creates significant legal liability for the retailer. Google the article about how Bulgari was charged with this scam back in the 80s and had to pay more than $1M in taxes and fines (customers included Donald Trump, Frank Sinatra, Mary Tyler Moore). The liability is on the merchant if they ship an empty box and allow you to walk out of the store and not charge you tax. It's on the purchaser if they receive the goods in another state and fail to pay local taxes in that state. All moral/legal arguments aside, this is a common practice.

Hopefully the OP and the store get to the bottom of what happened but I can't see that it was the OPs fault that this happened. Sure in hind sight paying $3K in taxes would have been the better option but everyone has a story of what they should have/could have done to achieve a different outcome.

There will always be theft and fraud - sadly greed is human nature however I think the number of cases of this happening when using a legitimate and typically reliable shipper is comparatively small to the number of successful shipments that are made on any given day.

[bas5838]

Originally Posted by jaisonline

Why didn’t the AD use a jewelry specific postage method like Parcel Pro (now owned by UPS) that ships both FedEX and UPS plus actually covers the insurance amount purchased. When reading the fine print, USPS, UPS and FedEx will sell you $9000 worth if insurance, but the coverage that can be claimed is never over $1000 for jewelry on 99% of their offerings. They do this because of theft.

Rolex uses only USPS Registered Mail because of how that service is handled / scanned throughout the transit. The true amount of insurance can be claimed. Priority Mail and Express doesn’t fall under this covered for jewelry.

Ups and FedEX offers special delivery methods for jewelry through companies like Parcel Pro for the same reason as the previous 3 sentences.

This is old information based upon my recent experience at my AD. Rolex used to use Registered Mail but now uses Brink as when I was there plain brown boxes with a small label in the center had several new Rolexes being delivered to the AD.

[turnleftgofast]

OP, we’d love some supporting information that this story is legitimate.

Name of the AD? Photo of an anonymised receipt? Photo of anonymised warranty cards? Serial numbers of the stolen watches?