Thoughts on Tesla Cars?

[Rolexism_]

Originally Posted by tx02ag

I respect your opinion but could not disagree more. The entry price has already dropped to less than $50k with further reductions within 12 months.



Hybrids did not die when the tax credits ended and neither will Tesla. The tax credit was a major consideration when I purchased my S in 2014. When I bought my 3 this year, it was not necessary as the car already cost less than the other 3 cars/suvs I was considering.



As for profits, the cars have been profitable for some time now. The expenditures of building out a global infrastructure to compete with gas stations was quite the cash drain, but the worst of that is behind them.



Full disclosure: my 3 was $50,000 delivered. The tax credit reduced the cost to $42,500 before gas and maintenance savings which are significant compared to my previous vehicle. If there is another car for that price with this performance, technology, and safety, my research did not uncover it.



I don’t disagree with your opinion about the tweets. He should lay low on Twitter for a few months and let the cars speak for themselves.



The Q3 earnings call will be a huge day for them 1 way or the other. My money is on them.

Let’s reconnect on this subject in 3 years.
Let’s see

[Vaxe]

I own a Model 3 and the car drives like a dream. 300 mi range is more than adequate for me. Only shortfall is the interior - cheap materials throughout and the trim looks like a Hyundai’s, not what you’d expect in a $60k car.

Has all the tech, reliability, and performance but poor choice with cabin materials. Same goes for S and X. Tesla should learn from the Germans or even Lexus on what real “premium” interior looks like.

[Laszlo]

Audi eTron. That's a car I would love to own.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Rolexism_

Let’s reconnect on this subject in 3 years.
Let’s see

^^^^ What he said. ^^^^


BTW longstanding car manufacturers are coming out with eCars at pricing below Tesla shortly. With the 'rebates' (gov handouts) folding away in some countries, Tesla sales are lagging.

[bayerische]

I think the real problem with Teslas is going to be long term reliability... Look at Rich Rebuilds channel on Youtube for example.

[Fat_ninja]

The only EV i am buying is going to be made by BMW and Audi. Or Neo

[bayerische]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

The only EV i am buying is going to be made by BMW and Audi. Or Neo

Then you’re in for a wait. Don’t think they’ll team up and make one.

[MinMay]

Tesla? LOL.

Model S is decent looking.
Model 3 is ugly looking.
Model X is cool looking.

[bayerische]

Originally Posted by ras47

Tesla's electric motors are designed to run for ONE MILLION MILES without maintenance. Of course we shall see if they live up to the design hype.

In two to three years a lot of Model 3's will come off leases. I think at $20,000 to $25,000 they'll be a steal.

That is already proven false.

[KES16]

I own a 2014 P85 with 207,000km and a 2018 model 3 (6k km)
Prior to Tesla I was a big Mercedes guy and when ppl say Tesla has issues my Mercedes was much worse. 2 broken interior door handles on a W204 c class. How that wasn't a recall blows my mind....You cant get out without putting down the window.

As for Electrics cars from the Mainstream manufactures, the Jaguar Ipace looks nice but the lack of a fast charging network puts me off (ie Supercharger network)

Tesla does lag behind in Interior for sure but the driving experience makes up for it IMO. Plus Gas is expensive in Canada ;)

[toxicavenger]

Originally Posted by Rolexism_

Let’s reconnect on this subject in 3 years.
Let’s see

He said he bought his "S" in 2014. That was over 3 years ago.

[Timeguy123]

I cannot comment on the quality of Tesla but I appreciate the people buying them for their consideration of the environment and humanity.

[Rolexism_]

Originally Posted by toxicavenger

He said he bought his "S" in 2014. That was over 3 years ago.

I’m talking 3 years from now. Just watch the show. 2021.

[toxicavenger]

Originally Posted by Rolexism_

I’m talking 3 years from now. Just watch the show. 2021.

Edit: Actually I bet he heard the same comment when he bought the S in 2014

[Rolexism_]

Originally Posted by toxicavenger

Edit: Actually I bet he heard the same comment when he bought the S in 2014

Yes and to your initial response everything has an expiry. But ideas that are not sustainable in the long run have clear indicators. I can guarantee that Rolex is not going to go out of business.
To your earlier edited comment.

[toxicavenger]

Originally Posted by Rolexism_

Yes and to your initial response everything has an expiry. But ideas that are not sustainable in the long run have clear indicators. I can guarantee that Rolex is not going to go out of business.
To your earlier edited comment.

Rolex keeps up with their shitty qc they might go out of business.

You never know.

[SoCal_Batman]

Originally Posted by superdog

Two cars that I would likely never buy, based on my own personal quirks and style.

HOWEVER, I really like your taste in cars. Both are fantastic in their way. And both look amazing.

Nicely done sir. Nicely done.

You're absolutely right, they won't appeal to everyone nor are they feasible for everyone. However, if you can appreciate each one for their individual qualities, then you'll understand just how damn cool they are. Thank you for the compliment on my stable good sir, I appreciate it !!

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

Why wouldn’t you buy a Defender? Just wondering. I think it’s the best SUV offered by Land Rover and the one that I’d actually buy.

Hand's down the Defender IS the best SUV Land Rover has ever made !!

Originally Posted by tritium8

This! D90 has always been one of my dream cars!

I think Socal Batman and I would get along!

It's definitely a grail car, there is nothing else like it out there! Time to make that dream a reality, need a 4x4 PIC !!

[Wesley Crusher]

Originally Posted by SoCal_Batman

You're absolutely right, they won't appeal to everyone nor are they feasible for everyone. However, if you can appreciate each one for their individual qualities, then you'll understand just how damn cool they are. Thank you for the compliment on my stable good sir, I appreciate it !!



Hand's down the Defender IS the best SUV Land Rover has ever made !!



It's definitely a grail car, there is nothing else like it out there! Time to make that dream a reality, need a 4x4 PIC !!

Is the Defender your DD? I’ve read some comments about them being unreliable which surprised me since they’re really basic trucks. Hardly anything to go wrong, I thought. How has your experience been?

[tritium8]

Originally Posted by Laszlo

Audi eTron. That's a car I would love to own.

I feel the same (as a replacement for my Q7) but something tells me this will be plagued with gremlins just like the A3 electric was....and only certain mechanics at the dealership will be certified to work on these cars so service delays (like Tesla) will probably be a reality.

[Duey]

I just don't see Profitability ever

[1st amg]

Never, ever will I buy a car that makes no noise. Not for me, too much of a gear head. And to the people who love them, great. I can not warm up to them at all. Yuk.

[Dr. Robert]

Bah humbug, they are the ugliest cars ever made!

[tx02ag]

Originally Posted by toxicavenger

Edit: Actually I bet he heard the same comment when he bought the S in 2014

You are absolutely correct.

4 years, 110,000 miles, practically 0 maintenance costs (except tires every 30,000 miles). I am even still on the original brake pads with lots of life left due to the regenerative braking. Oh, and more than $20,000 in gas savings vs my BMW X5 that I replaced.

I do feel bad for people interested in learning more because they have to wade through so much information that is just false. Like the guy who heard that turning the headlights on cuts the range in half.

[brandrea]

I looked at them but couldn't get past the lack of charging stations and I guess I’m not entirely ready to go all E.

That said, I opted for this plug in hybrid 330e. If your commute is short like mine it's a great option to consider

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[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Duey

I just don't see Profitability ever

Within today's market, P/L and multiples makes no difference at times. We do indeed live in interesting times. Cults such as Apple, Goldman Sachs, Tesla, etc are like that it seems. Tesla might be better off focusing on a proprietary HFT platform to front-run the stock market like the Fed bank members do daily.

Maybe allow Tesla cars to mine for Bitcoin while not being used and plugged into power. Why waste all that energy and computational power? Think of it as nearly free money for Tesla owners, as am sure that'd make owners happy. Go mining.

[SMD]

Originally Posted by KES16

I own a 2014 P85 with 207,000km and a 2018 model 3 (6k km)
Prior to Tesla I was a big Mercedes guy and when ppl say Tesla has issues my Mercedes was much worse. 2 broken interior door handles on a W204 c class. How that wasn't a recall blows my mind....You cant get out without putting down the window.

As for Electrics cars from the Mainstream manufactures, the Jaguar Ipace looks nice but the lack of a fast charging network puts me off (ie Supercharger network)

Tesla does lag behind in Interior for sure but the driving experience makes up for it IMO. Plus Gas is expensive in Canada ;)

How expensive is hydro in ON?

[EffJayEm]

I love the vision. I wanted to love the cars. I came very close to buying one. I stuck with my M5.

I went to look at them. The X is a very ugly duckling that will never grow up into anything but an even uglier adult duck. The S and 3 are fine, but that's it at this point. They look dated. The S is 7-8 years old. That's a lifetime in terms of car design and refresh. It very much looks like a 2010 car and still has a number of design cues from a decade ago. The 3 is obviously newer, but looks like a mid-tier foreign midsize from more than 10 feet away. It also looks dated.

I went to look at buying one. I looked carefully at my neighbor's S. I've read a lot about fit and finish, and THE ONE TESLA HAD ON DISPLAY had major issues. Panel gaps that were large and uneven on the display. A portion of the interior trim seemingly falling off the door on the display. If that's the display, what would the real one I ordered look like? My neighbor's S has body issues you can see from 10-15 feet away with my bad eyes and no glasses. Shockingly, the interior on these $70-100K cars was complete crap.

I hate, HATE the model 3 center screen only.

Perhaps more importantly for the company -- I make no claims about the stock -- they've lost their cool factor. 5 years ago they were rare and seeing one on the highway was like seeing a rare Ferrari or McLaren. They were cool. Now nobody cares if you pull up in one, and there are 3 in my boring, dying, baby boomer, non-tech-city Midwestern golf club parking lot every night. I was also in a conversation with an owner a few months back where he seemed disappointed that nobody cared about his Tesla anymore. I suspect much of their trade was on people who wanted to be noticed (not unlike our watches, so not throwing stones), so don't know if that portends well for the Company as they trend down to Honda prices, if they can.

[Unrelated Thoughts: As a restructuring expert, I doubt the customers financing some of the company via deposits understand the meaning of "unsecured and structurally subordinated creditor." If the company falls on harder times, or if it becomes clear they're not going to sell a $35K car any time soon, mass redemptions of the deposits could be a disaster for the company, making it even harder for them to improve their finish. ]

[Vaxe]

I think a lot of you are forgetting about autopilot. I just came back from a BRUTAL I-880 commute, but thankfully with autopilot engaged, I surfed the web and relaxed for the whole hour. That to me is priceless.

Tesla is a commute car (IMO the best car in the market at it), for weekends I’m sure we all have something much more fun and sexier.

[tbonesteak]

Originally Posted by Vaxe

I think a lot of you are forgetting about autopilot. I just came back from a BRUTAL I-880 commute, but thankfully with autopilot engaged, I surfed the web and relaxed for the whole hour. That to me is priceless.

Tesla is a commute car (IMO the best car in the market at it), for weekends I’m sure we all have something much more fun and sexier.

https://www.cars.com/articles/which-...1420699785509/

I don't think anyone is forgetting that, being that a good portion of cars on the road have these capabilities. These other manufacturers also have the decency to not name it something so deceptive. Furthermore, when it comes to autonomous capabilities, Tesla is by no stretch the leader, not even close.

[Rolexism_]

https://globalnews.ca/news/4273317/t...s-musk-profit/