The 6 digits are more tool watches than 5 digits.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by toolr

IMO the whole issue of what constitutes a tool watch is somewhat mislabeled or blurred. Any watch, be it vintage or brand new that tells the time is a tool watch. As many would not subject their new Sub C to a harsh environment, likewise many would not subject their DRSD or red 1680 etc to harsh environments either. Wanting to take care, or pamper, a watch doesn't mean it's not a tool.

During their early life the older Rolex watches were in deed bought and used for their intended purposes. Not so with the new ones in general. They are being bought as jewelry items only. We all may occasionally use them as their original genetics intended but that is circumstantial and only as an apostrophe acknowledgement to their tool watch genes. Just saying...

[s.m.b.]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Let me do a better job explaining this. My neighbor owns a model T Ford. He rebuilt it and loves that thing. He drives around the neighborhood and takes it to the Dairy Queen now and then. It doesn’t drive it from Tampa to Boston and back to visit his parents.

I'd say using the bezel on a GMT or a Submariner for it's intended purpose is far more practical and common than driving a Model T Ford around a neighborhood and to the local Dairy Queen. There's a world outside of what you read on this forum, brother. Take a look!

[Shamorai]

Grown men arguing about which Submariner is a better ‘tool watch’ is very cute.

[abozz]

Originally Posted by Shamorai

Grown men arguing about which Submariner is a better ‘tool watch’ is very cute.

Hehehee I just read:
"A mechanical watch is both a dance with and a fight against physics."
From here:
Can the Swiss Watchmaker Survive the Digital Age? - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/m...gital-age.html



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[Patton250]

Originally Posted by s.m.b.

I'd say using the bezel on a GMT or a Submariner for it's intended purpose is far more practical and common than driving a Model T Ford around a neighborhood and to the local Dairy Queen. There's a world outside of what you read on this forum, brother. Take a look!

Indeed. I’ve seen most of it.

[s.m.b.]

Originally Posted by Shamorai

Grown men arguing about which Submariner is a better ‘tool watch’ is very cute.

I believe the argument has shifted to whether a Rolex can be used for anything other than jewelry in 2018 and beyond. Not quite an argument, but a discussion. It's a forum! What do you expect?

[fania123]

Originally Posted by rgwarden

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[fania123]

Originally Posted by rgwarden

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Originally Posted by s.m.b.

I believe the argument has shifted to whether a Rolex can be used for anything other than jewelry in 2018 and beyond. Not quite an argument, but a discussion. It's a forum! What do expect?

Agreed!

[abozz]

Originally Posted by s.m.b.

I believe the argument has shifted to whether a Rolex can be used for anything other than jewelry in 2018 and beyond. Not quite an argument, but a discussion. It's a forum! What do expect?

That is the question: Can be used a SD43 for a Sea Dweller and work better in time than a 5 digits? Yes! That is my argument, then is a tool not a piece of jewlery. If you says the 16610 was the last sub used as a Diver watch I agreed but is not the last tool watch made by Rolex because Rolex continiuos doing his watch as the world do not change to digital, that is the idea no?

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[s.m.b.]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Indeed. I’ve seen most of it.

Well, then you should know there are lots of people doing lots of things with different motives and intentions. For example, I buy music on vinyl, not because I am nostalgic; I've just never stopped buying music in that format because I prefer over the other options. Some people probably buy vinyl because they think it's hip or for a sense of nostalgia. Good for them!

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by s.m.b.

Well, then you should know there are lots of people doing lots of things with different motives and intentions. For example, I buy music on vinyl, not because I am nostalgic; I've just never stopped buying music in that format because I prefer over the other options. Some people probably buy vinyl because they think it's hip or for a sense of nostalgia.

That’s ok. You probably aren’t aware that music is now available on 8 track tapes. No biggie.

[s.m.b.]

Originally Posted by Patton250

That’s ok. You probably aren’t aware that music is now available on 8 track tapes. No biggie.

"Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack."

--General George S Patton

[abozz]

Originally Posted by s.m.b.

Well, then you should know there are lots of people doing lots of things with different motives and intentions. For example, I buy music on vinyl, not because I am nostalgic; I've just never stopped buying music in that format because I prefer over the other options. Some people probably buy vinyl because they think it's hip or for a sense of nostalgia. Good for them!

Then a modern vynil player from a important maker is better made today than before? If exist a maker that continious making vynil player and do it better than before is a player or is a piece of jewlery? That is my point! Rolex continiuos making submariner divers!!! Better than before! I'm not comparing subs with computers!! I am talking exclusively of rolex watches.

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[Patton250]

Originally Posted by s.m.b.

"Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack."

--General George S Patton

Nah my kids are into the whole vinal thing. Their mother and I had quite a collection from the 50s,60s and 70s. They love it.

[abozz]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I guarantee there are a lot of pilots using a GMT or a Breitling but they sure aren’t using them as a tool. It’s more of a nostalgia thing.

I swear some of you guys think the officials at a NASCAR race are using a Daytona as the official clock.

I’m sure there are divers that wear Rolex when diving but I guarantee you that’s not what they are using as their official timer for how much oxygen they have. Once again they’re doing it for nostalgic reasons. Plus it’s cool.

The whole “tool watch” thing sailed long ago. But then you know that.

When Mr. Saunders and Mr. L’Herpiniere set off on their 1,800-mile Scott Expedition, they pulled about 440 pounds of food, fuel and other essentials. “We cut the handles off our toothbrushes, the labels off our clothes. Everything had to be super lightweight,” Mr. Saunders said.
That also was true for the timepieces they carried. The British watch brand Bremont created the limited-edition Terra Nova, an ultralight titanium wristwatch, to accompany Mr. Saunders and Mr. L’Herpiniere.
Another requirement was that its movement be mechanical. “The polar regions are so extreme — particularly the temperatures — that a lot of electronic gadgets can be unreliable, certainly things with LCD screens,” Mr. Saunders said. “On very cold days, we had problems with GPS units. A mechanical timepiece is the ultimate when it comes to reliability.”
Quoted from: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/06/f...ploration.html

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[abozz]

As the official watch of the mission, the Doxa Mission 31 SUB Professional helped Mr. Cousteau and his colleagues keep track of time in an environment that often lacked good lighting. Plus, said Mr. Cousteau, wearing a watch was force of habit.
“I’ve always had a watch around my wrist,” Mr. Cousteau said. “It’s the comfort of knowing that, if all else fails, my watch is powered by my movement. Some people go the digital route, but I still love the nice heavy well-crafted jewelry that’s also bulletproof.”

Ooooh my god! I just discover that Cousteau think 4 digits Rolex was a piece of Jewlery! End of the discussion! All are jewlery!!!

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[sillo]

Originally Posted by abozz

“We cut the handles off our toothbrushes, the labels off our clothes. Everything had to be super lightweight,”

And this is why the 6 digit bracelet being heavier doesn't make it better.

[abozz]

Originally Posted by sillo38

And this is why the 6 digit bracelet being heavier doesn't make it better.

True!

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[037]

Originally Posted by sillo38

And this is why the 6 digit bracelet being heavier doesn't make it better.

"6-digit everything is better than 5-digit anything," followed by an article stating that titanium for weight reduction is superior. Now that's funny. Sounds like the Tudor Pelagos line is more of a "tool watch" diver than anything Rolex currently makes.

[donq]

I would agree that Rolex Professional watches have never been better engineered or more capable.

Unfortunately, they are less likely now more than ever to ever be tested to their extremes.

Real divers don’t wear watches as their primary tool for measuring bottom times or anything else. The technology has moved on, and any diver wearing a watch is doing so for fun, or possibly as some sort of backup timekeeper.

Same goes for pilots, sailors etc.

While mechanical watches may be better than ever, they are technologically obsolete as timekeepers.

It’s like saying horse drawn carriages have never been better. It may be true, but it doesn’t matter because cars are the dominant, most reliable and cost effective means of transport for 99% of the situations encountered.

No, Rolexes are wonderful bits of machinery and jewelry, but their days as tools are over, just like fountain pens and broadswords.

[s.m.b.]

Originally Posted by donq

I would agree that Rolex Professional watches have never been better engineered or more capable.

Unfortunately, they are less likely now more than ever to ever be tested to their extremes.

Real divers don’t wear watches as their primary tool for measuring bottom times or anything else. The technology has moved on, and any diver wearing a watch is doing so for fun, or possibly as some sort of backup timekeeper.

Same goes for pilots, sailors etc.

While mechanical watches may be better than ever, they are technologically obsolete as timekeepers.

It’s like saying horse drawn carriages have never been better. It may be true, but it doesn’t matter because cars are the dominant, most reliable and cost effective means of transport for 99% of the situations encountered.

No, Rolexes are wonderful bits of machinery and jewelry, but their days as tools are over, just like fountain pens and broadswords.

Sure, there have been technological advancements regarding timekeeping, but that doesn’t mean mechanical watches are obsolete, as they are still capable of doing what they’ve always been designed to do. Would you say a manual transmission in an automobile is obsolete? Like keeping time with mechanical watches, I just consider driving a stick a different user experience, far from obsolete.

[donq]

Originally Posted by s.m.b.

Sure, there have been technological advancements regarding timekeeping, but that doesn’t mean mechanical watches are obsolete, as they are still capable of doing what they’ve always been designed to do. Would you say a manual transmission in an automobile is obsolete? Like keeping time with mechanical watches, I just consider driving a stick a different user experience, far from obsolete.

Manual VS. automatic transmissions are a case of two equally developed technologies made to suit different purposes.
Sports cars are better with a stick, and a limousine makes more sense with a slush box.

As much as the watch manufacturers like to portray things otherwise, any serious endeavors involving timekeeping have moved away from springs and gears long ago.

[s.m.b.]

Originally Posted by donq

Manual VS. automatic transmissions are a case of two equally developed technologies made to suit different purposes.
Sports cars are better with a stick, and a limousine makes more sense with a slush box.

As much as the watch manufacturers like to portray things otherwise, any serious endeavors involving timekeeping have moved away from springs and gears long ago.

So how would you personally qualify "serious endeavor"? Would surfing count? Rock climbing? Hiking? Skiing? What if you like to unplug, avoid the digital, embrace the analog? Ditch the cellphone?

[Andad]

Originally Posted by abozz

True!

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Newer is not always better.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=186926
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=96587
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=68034
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=100278
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=277814
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=184601
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=590078

And note that the triplock is standard across common 5 and 6 digit models and rated to >500 Bar.

[rolexpatek363]

It's not 1959 any more. Divers use dive computers. GMTs seem to be for people who can't add or subtract integers. Race cars aren't timed by people with clipboards and Daytonas.

Etc...

It's all jewellery.

[s.m.b.]

Originally Posted by directioneng

Newer is not always better.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=186926
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=96587
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=68034
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=100278
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=277814
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=184601
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=590078

And note that the triplock is standard across common 5 and 6 digit models and rated to >500 Bar.

Of course not, but newer isn't always worse either. Sadly, when it comes to most products these days, many are not made as they once were, but Rolex does seem to be an exception to this norm. The new offerings are at the very least equal in terms of build quality. The aesthetic quality between old and new will of course remain subjective.

[s.m.b.]

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

It's not 1959 any more. Divers use dive computers. GMTs seem to be for people who can't add or subtract integers. Race cars aren't timed by people with clipboards and Daytonas.

Etc...

It's all jewellery.

Actually, some people dive with both. I kinda agree regarding the GMT function, as adding and subtracting should be pretty easy for most of us. I know jack about car racing and chronograph usage.

[173rdabn]

They're ALL tool watches unless you choose to pamper and coddle them. Your watch, your choice. As for me, wear the damn thing like you stole it. Really hard to do terminal damage.

[dubins930]

Originally Posted by 037

"6-digit everything is better than 5-digit anything," followed by an article stating that titanium for weight reduction is superior. Now that's funny. Sounds like the Tudor Pelagos line is more of a "tool watch" diver than anything Rolex currently makes.

Thats because it is...

Originally Posted by directioneng

Newer is not always better.

It just has a horribly inflated price

[abozz]

Not the article says that mechanical watches are more realiable that gps in some enviroments, read all the article not only the title to make an opinion.

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