Fernando Alonso won Daytona 24h ! First F-1 pilot to win this race.

[77T]

My perspective is from that of a touring car racer - yours from open cockpit mostly? Just guessing from your avatar.

Now as an official who is responsible to safely grow amateur autosports, I have gained a perspective that “safe is fast” and the two are not mutually exclusive.

As long as it has a motor in it, people will race....until OPM gives out.


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[V25V]

Originally Posted by 77T

My perspective is from that of a touring car racer - yours from open cockpit mostly? Just guessing from your avatar.

Now as an official who is responsible to safely grow amateur autosports, I have gained a perspective that “safe is fast” and the two are not mutually exclusive.

As long as it has a motor in it, people will race....until OPM gives out.


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I did some tin tops but 95% of my racing has been in single seaters, yes.

To be honest, I see motorsports in general dying a slow and painful death, this is only part of the reason. Electric race cars, sim racing, money running the sport more than ever before (was always the case but has become worse), gentleman racers at all levels (even Lemans), etc. It has become a big business and losing itself as a sport/passion in my opinion.

I still race and as the father of two young boys getting into karting now, this very much saddens me. I think Grassroots will be safe for a while but only a matter of time before this all trickles down. Kids coming into our class and seeing tube frame chassis' and dog boxes they need to manually operate are appalled! No carbon tubs and flappy paddles! The travesty.....

[77T]

Originally Posted by V25V

Kids coming into our class and seeing tube frame chassis' and dog boxes they need to manually operate are appalled! No carbon tubs and flappy paddles! The travesty.....

Well, the last pro-race using stick shift in IMSA took place last year. None left in FIA. So the kids are right - learn that paddle stuff!

On the grassroots front, that Will eventually happen. But one man’s demise is another’s rise. Our numbers are up across the board - which is a sign the next bear market is coming...




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[V25V]

Originally Posted by 77T

Well, the last pro-race using stick shift in IMSA took place last year. None left in FIA. So the kids are right - learn that paddle stuff!

On the grassroots front, that Will eventually happen. But one man’s demise is another’s rise. Our numbers are up across the board - which is a sign the next bear market is coming...




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[dan993]

Originally Posted by mangoseed

Taking my post way out of context, Hamilton was only marginally better than Rosberg when they were teammates for 4 seasons.

t shows he has a diverse skillset that can lead to success in many different series. Hamilton and Vettel are some of the luckiest drivers ever in terms of being in a ultra-dominant cars for long periods.

Since there are so many drivers of a nearly equal ability, F1 success is 99% cars, the difference between the best drivers and average drivers is miniscule.

Alonso won Le Mans with no real factory opposition. I attend Le Mans every year and the quality of field in LMP1 in 2018 was non existent. Daytona 24hr I believe does not have the quality of drivers overall that the Le Mans 24hrs has. Only my personal experience. If F1 is 99% percent car that applies also to Alonso no?

[dan993]

Originally Posted by V25V

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Tried teaching a young lad heel and toe down changes earlier this year and he couldn't understand why anybody would use it. Tried to explain braking and weight transfer, no idea. On the PlayStation you don't need this!

[mangoseed]

Originally Posted by dan993

If F1 is 99% percent car that applies also to Alonso no?

It means that win tallies and championships are a very poor way of measuring driver performance

[77T]

Originally Posted by dan993

Tried teaching a young lad heel and toe down changes earlier this year and he couldn't understand why anybody would use it. Tried to explain braking and weight transfer, no idea. On the PlayStation you don't need this!

I’ll bet that was a good day wasted


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[Rock]

Whilst I do not agree with Fangio that in modern F1 it is "95% car" I do think that the car (and luck) is much more important than the driver.
There are at least half a dozen drivers currently in F1 that could have won 3 or 4 World Championships with a car as dominant as the Mercedes.
The "best driver" is whoever you fancy - based on your own rationale.