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Old 15 August 2019, 03:46 PM   #61
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If you mean sought after as in what are most potential buyers looking to buy, DJ or maybe a Sub LN.

If you mean most difficult to buy at retail:

-D500 white and then black
-SkyD blue
-BLRO
-Hulk
-BLNR

That's my best guess.
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Old 15 August 2019, 04:58 PM   #62
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Daytona white
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Old 15 August 2019, 05:17 PM   #63
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I would not even buy it at a 20% discount because I do not like the green dial and bezel.

I would only buy what I like.

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I believe "Kermit'' refers to the anniversary model before the "Hulk'', so it's the one with green bezel and black dial.
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Old 15 August 2019, 06:37 PM   #64
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Look at the % grey premiums, give you a good indication.
I thought the same thing. The markup % greys use must factor in the difficultly in obtaining the watch, and % increase over MSRP seems like a better measure than raw price.

As I was curious, below is the markup % from MSRP according to DavidSW for Unworn Condition, Protective Plastics in Place watches, unless noted. Granted, it is not a robust sample size, but I am willing to trust that DavidSW has done the research. I’ve included the % markup and the $$ markup for each model.

100-percent club
DaytonaC W +16.1K 130%
GMTII BLRO +10.1K 109% (~114%)*
DaytonaC B +12.1K 98% (~103%)*


SubLVc +8.5K 94%
GMTII BLNR +7.7K 83% (~95%)**

SkyD Blue +9.4K 66%

SubC ND +2.7K 37%
GMTII CHNR +4.5K 32%
SD43 +3.6 32%
SubC Date +2.8K 31%

SkyD Black +3.8K 27%***
SkyD Wh +3.5K 25%
DSSD D-B +3K 24%

TT SD43 +2.9K 18%
EXPII Polar +1.4K 18% (23%)*
EXPI +1K 16%
EXPII Black +875 11% (16%)*

AirKing +475 8%
TT Sub Blue +1K 7%
DSSD +725 6% (10%)*
Milgauss Z-B +175 2%
TT Sub Black +175 1% (5%)*
Milgauss GV (-25) 0%
YM Rhodium (-425) -4%

*Unworn Condition, AD Removed Stickers (approx +5% MSRP price to Unworn Plastics in Place).
**Excellent Condition, recent Warranty (approx. +12%-16% MSRP price to Unworn Plastics in Place).
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Old 15 August 2019, 07:11 PM   #65
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100-percent club
DaytonaC W +16.1K 130%
GMTII BLRO +10.1K 109% (~114%)*
DaytonaC B +12.1K 98% (~103%)*


SubLVc +8.5K 94%
GMTII BLNR +7.7K 83% (~95%)**

SkyD Blue +9.4K 66%

SubC ND +2.7K 37%
GMTII CHNR +4.5K 32%
SD43 +3.6 32%
SubC Date +2.8K 31%

SkyD Black +3.8K 27%***
SkyD Wh +3.5K 25%
DSSD D-B +3K 24%

TT SD43 +2.9K 18%
EXPII Polar +1.4K 18% (23%)*
EXPI +1K 16%
EXPII Black +875 11% (16%)*

AirKing +475 8%
TT Sub Blue +1K 7%
DSSD +725 6% (10%)*
Milgauss Z-B +175 2%
TT Sub Black +175 1% (5%)*
Milgauss GV (-25) 0%
YM Rhodium (-425) -4%
Interesting.Thanks for the maths
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Old 15 August 2019, 07:14 PM   #66
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Right, bunch of rude people here.




Yes, you’re right, but what if the OP just wanted to know what the demand was. I’m curious as to what everyone thinks the most popular model is and I’m not going to go out and buy it.

Dude just wanted to know some info and everyone is on his case about it.

I agree this is a new poster asking a simple question who has just joined the forum. Once again gets jumped on by the fun-Police who think that they can dictate what topics are viable. Surely all posters are welcome, after all we're all watch nerds on here.

If you dislike the topic just ignore the thread.
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Old 15 August 2019, 07:18 PM   #67
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Old 15 August 2019, 07:18 PM   #68
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Surely all posters are welcome, after all we're all watch nerds on here.
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I would disagree. 99% of forum members are far far far from watch nerds. They are flippers wanting to buy a BLRO for $9k and sell it to gray the next day for $14k. And try their luck at doing that multiple times.

Thats the majority of TRF members now and probably majority of buyers as well. You'll be lucky to find a true watch enthusiast you knows and appreciates the movement, the workmanship and the history. These days the guys dont even know what a main spring does.
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Old 15 August 2019, 07:49 PM   #69
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I would disagree. 99% of forum members are far far far from watch nerds. They are flippers wanting to buy a BLRO for $9k and sell it to gray the next day for $14k. And try their luck at doing that multiple times.

Thats the majority of TRF members now and probably majority of buyers as well. You'll be lucky to find a true watch enthusiast you knows and appreciates the movement, the workmanship and the history. These days the guys don't even know what a main spring does.
Peter I agree there are probably a lot of speculators on here and inevitably this winds people up.

Mind you, I think there is a slight exaggeration that only 1% of posters on here are watch aficionados / fanatics / nerds. I know quite a few posters personally on here and we do share interesting TRF threads and info on whatsapp and debate them.

In this case I just believe a new poster asked a fairly naive question, as I could have guessed that he would get jumped on / trolled pretty quickly. I just don't think there is any need for curt replies.

Likewise I'm with you I genuinely do admire the workmanship man-hours, meticulous detail put into assembling high end timepieces. Do I know what each component part does? Absolutely not, I can probably tell you what movement it is bust. I drove a used Aston Martin recently and am thinking about getting it. Do I have any idea whats under the bonnet, except maybe checking the oil, no idea whatsoever, but hell I certainly admire the noise it makes, the craftsmanship. The fact that I have no idea of its inner workings and guts will not stop me wanting to pull the trigger.

Have a nice day, debate is good.
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Old 15 August 2019, 07:55 PM   #70
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The one the buyer wants to own and wear that should be the main priority,but today some buy because they are hard to get and what the internet deems as must have.
Or my Pepsi M?

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Old 15 August 2019, 07:58 PM   #71
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Old 15 August 2019, 08:00 PM   #72
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I would disagree. 99% of forum members are far far far from watch nerds. They are flippers wanting to buy a BLRO for $9k and sell it to gray the next day for $14k. And try their luck at doing that multiple times.

Thats the majority of TRF members now and probably majority of buyers as well. You'll be lucky to find a true watch enthusiast you knows and appreciates the movement, the workmanship and the history. These days the guys dont even know what a main spring does.
I have read some rubbish on TRF but this is hard to beat.

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Old 15 August 2019, 08:26 PM   #73
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Old 15 August 2019, 08:30 PM   #74
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Old 15 August 2019, 08:37 PM   #75
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I would disagree. 99% of forum members are far far far from watch nerds. They are flippers wanting to buy a BLRO for $9k and sell it to gray the next day for $14k. And try their luck at doing that multiple times....
And why we really, truly, deeply,
urgently
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separate
board / sandbox
for investment / flipping / etc



...and use the current boards for us geeks who desire info, fun, etc with our timepieces.
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Old 15 August 2019, 08:40 PM   #76
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And why we really, truly, deeply,
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...and use the current boards for us geeks who desire info, fun, etc with our timepieces.
That sure would be nice.

I wonder if after three pages the OP got his answer?
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Old 15 August 2019, 09:50 PM   #77
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...and use the current boards for us geeks who desire info, fun, etc with our timepieces.


Or maybe just a separate TRFlippersF website.
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Old 15 August 2019, 10:05 PM   #78
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I would disagree. 99% of forum members are far far far from watch nerds. They are flippers wanting to buy a BLRO for $9k and sell it to gray the next day for $14k. And try their luck at doing that multiple times.

Thats the majority of TRF members now and probably majority of buyers as well. You'll be lucky to find a true watch enthusiast you knows and appreciates the movement, the workmanship and the history. These days the guys dont even know what a main spring does.
Come on man, really ...
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Old 15 August 2019, 10:06 PM   #79
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is tigger’s tail powered by a mainspring?

he flips a lot.

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Old 15 August 2019, 10:10 PM   #80
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Quit while you’re behind.
Why is that rubbish? Put me on ignore if you dont like it. Simple.
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Old 15 August 2019, 10:11 PM   #81
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Old 15 August 2019, 10:31 PM   #82
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I thought the same thing. The markup % greys use must factor in the difficultly in obtaining the watch, and % increase over MSRP seems like a better measure than raw price.

As I was curious, below is the markup % from MSRP according to DavidSW for Unworn Condition, Protective Plastics in Place watches, unless noted. Granted, it is not a robust sample size, but I am willing to trust that DavidSW has done the research. I’ve included the % markup and the $$ markup for each model.

100-percent club
DaytonaC W +16.1K 130%
GMTII BLRO +10.1K 109% (~114%)*
DaytonaC B +12.1K 98% (~103%)*


SubLVc +8.5K 94%
GMTII BLNR +7.7K 83% (~95%)**

SkyD Blue +9.4K 66%

SubC ND +2.7K 37%
GMTII CHNR +4.5K 32%
SD43 +3.6 32%
SubC Date +2.8K 31%

SkyD Black +3.8K 27%***
SkyD Wh +3.5K 25%
DSSD D-B +3K 24%

TT SD43 +2.9K 18%
EXPII Polar +1.4K 18% (23%)*
EXPI +1K 16%
EXPII Black +875 11% (16%)*

AirKing +475 8%
TT Sub Blue +1K 7%
DSSD +725 6% (10%)*
Milgauss Z-B +175 2%
TT Sub Black +175 1% (5%)*
Milgauss GV (-25) 0%
YM Rhodium (-425) -4%

*Unworn Condition, AD Removed Stickers (approx +5% MSRP price to Unworn Plastics in Place).
**Excellent Condition, recent Warranty (approx. +12%-16% MSRP price to Unworn Plastics in Place).
***Non-DavidSW trusted GM Dealer New
Samples between 20 Jul - 15 Aug 19
Thanks for putting this together. The premium paid in the UK is even higher right now...

The Daytona with the black dial isn't that difficult to get when you are a good client, but for some reason the white dial is extremely difficult to get.

I have ordered a Sub 116610LV from one of the ADs I usually go to and was told I wouldn't get mine before October, while I have historically never waited more than four to six months even for sought after models (e.g. 116520). Really feels like grey buyers and re-sellers have created a new distribution channel and drained the main one even for people with longstanding relationships.
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