Anyone ever notice this 126710 Pepsi GMT bezel flaw?

[Andrejb]

Originally Posted by blada4life

the color transition line being off is normal... i think they choose a less noticeable area within the number so thats standard. my batman is like that too.



re the rehaut though, i noticed that the hour markers dont exactly center over the R on the left and X on the right. may explain why you get the visual that the entire dial is off at the top. i am wondering if this was just poorly installed and can be easily adjuster. you got this from AD? new?

Yes new from AD


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[Andrejb]

Originally Posted by nighthawk77

OP I can see what you have pointed out. It looks like the photo isn’t exactly head on however, which may make things look worse than they actually are.

I’d accept the bezel colour changes. I think the spacing of numbers and having the colour change central to the 6/18 takes precedence here rather than lining up with the inner dial markings. I think that’s probably the correct thing to do as it may look worse if it were the other way round.

I think the alignment of everything at 12 isn’t really acceptable. IMO the bezel should line up exactly, and as someone else has pointed out, the 12 triangle isn’t central between 59 and 01 seconds. A little sloppy and disappointing I’d say.

If it were me, not sure that I’d want to dedicate the time and effort to resolve such minor issue. Probably just wear the watch and enjoy it, leave it until service time and maybe the RSC could correct at this stage.

What I find ironic is members of another group I am part of complain about bezel misalignment on a <£200 watch, or celebrate if they’re lucky enough to get one that is perfectly aligned. It seems the consensus on here is these flaws should be accepted, despite the fact we’re talking Rolex which is a luxury brand costing several thousand £s/$s and has a reputation built on making precision time pieces...

Agreed


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[Andrejb]

To clarify things. It doesn’t really bother me all that much. I still enjoy my watch completely. I was just curious if this was common with this specific model and if anyone had the same circumstance / how they felt about it.

Appreciate everyone’s helpful response, even the condescending members taking the time out of their day to add their useless two scents. Used to that by now with this forum :P


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[Nav01L]

Bezel, dial and rehaut are on different planes/layers, therefore, you’d have to look at the watch head on with absolute precision, or in other words the camera sensor would have to be absolutely parallel with the layers in question and exactly centered, with no distortion whatsoever in the lens, in order to properly assess this in a picture, which is next to impossible. As soon as these almost impossible conditions aren’t fulfilled, perspective and distortion work their magic and make the picture pretty likely to show a (relative) misalignment. The same is true for the eye, as it’s attached (hopefully) to a moving head and thus impossible to align exactly.

So whether or not there is a flaw, your/our seeing one is close to inevitable I would imagine.

Regardless of that, Rolex quality is not always free of flaws, it’s just like the cyclops that I found can have better or worse alignment from one watch to another. So it’s by no means impossible that the bezel would indeed be a bit misaligned. Will check on mine tonight, intrigued now ;)

[Andrejb]

Originally Posted by nighthawk77

OP I can see what you have pointed out. It looks like the photo isn’t exactly head on however, which may make things look worse than they actually are.

I’d accept the bezel colour changes. I think the spacing of numbers and having the colour change central to the 6/18 takes precedence here rather than lining up with the inner dial markings. I think that’s probably the correct thing to do as it may look worse if it were the other way round.

I think the alignment of everything at 12 isn’t really acceptable. IMO the bezel should line up exactly, and as someone else has pointed out, the 12 triangle isn’t central between 59 and 01 seconds. A little sloppy and disappointing I’d say.

If it were me, not sure that I’d want to dedicate the time and effort to resolve such minor issue. Probably just wear the watch and enjoy it, leave it until service time and maybe the RSC could correct at this stage.

What I find ironic is members of another group I am part of complain about bezel misalignment on a <£200 watch, or celebrate if they’re lucky enough to get one that is perfectly aligned. It seems the consensus on here is these flaws should be accepted, despite the fact we’re talking Rolex which is a luxury brand costing several thousand £s/$s and has a reputation built on making precision time pieces...

Appreciate the response. Doesn’t bother me enough to send it in for 8 weeks to have it rectified. Will make a note when come service time if I’m still bothered!


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[Andrejb]

Originally Posted by 77T

There is a certain amount of visual balancing made by Rolex on these GMT bezels.

To begin with, the numerals on the bezels use proportional spacing. This dictates choices like the red/blue color split - or a blue/black for that matter. As already explained by another post, the color changeover occurs at the midpoint of the space occupied by the numerals “6”&”18”.

On the triangle, it is placed equidistant between the dots on either side of it.

Remember these bezels aren’t designed to the tolerance needed in something like a Daytona’s chapter ring (where it’s designed to time to a tenth of a second).

A GMT bezel is graduated to indicate the hour in a different time zone.


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Cheers Paul. Thanks!


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[Andrejb]

Originally Posted by In-Cog-Neeto

Hi Andre. Yes, I can see what you are talking about, I’m surprised some others can’t. But, then again, some people like to say the opposite just to be difficult. It makes me laugh also when someone posts a simple observation in the, often, vein attempt just to ask if anyone else has noticed this, only to be told, quite condescendingly, ‘not to worry about it’ - like it’s keeping you awake at night. From your post, I didn’t get the feeling you were worried about it, simply noting something you have noticed when admiring your beautiful watch.

I liked the answer by ‘Tools’. He makes some great feedback. He echos what my Oris manual states (to paraphrase) ‘If you want or need to know the exact time, this watch probably ain’t for you’

Anyway, enjoy the watch, ‘flaws’ and all, brother.

Thank you my friend.


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[Andrejb]

Originally Posted by Jster

I can’t tell if it’s misaligned even from the close up photo. However, I do see another misalignment. I hope it doesn’t bother you that I’m pointing it out. The triangular 12:00 marker on the dial is aligned more towards the left of the 59 second tick mark than to the right of the 1 second tick mark. Also, is that dust on the dial?

No dust on the dial brother. Just a dirty crystal haha


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[SearChart]

I don't think it is off at all.

[Andrejb]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

Bezel, dial and rehaut are on different planes/layers, therefore, you’d have to look at the watch head on with absolute precision, or in other words the camera sensor would have to be absolutely parallel with the layers in question and exactly centered, with no distortion whatsoever in the lens, in order to properly assess this in a picture, which is next to impossible. As soon as these almost impossible conditions aren’t fulfilled, perspective and distortion work their magic and make the picture pretty likely to show a (relative) misalignment. The same is true for the eye, as it’s attached (hopefully) to a moving head and thus impossible to align exactly.

So whether or not there is a flaw, your/our seeing one is close to inevitable I would imagine.

Regardless of that, Rolex quality is not always free of flaws, it’s just like the cyclops that I found can have better or worse alignment from one watch to another. So it’s by no means impossible that the bezel would indeed be a bit misaligned. Will check on mine tonight, intrigued now ;)

Makes complete sense. Appreciate your input!




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[padi56]

Originally Posted by SearChart

I don't think it is off at all.

Have to agree Bas but today we have another Rolex syndrome, the alignment point syndrome.

[boojiking]

Lol when they tightened the movement in place they forgot to check the alignment of the 12 o’clock mark with the crown in the Rehaut. The movement just need to be moved a fraction of a mm easily corrected by Rolex or any Ad with a watchmaker.

[BNA/LION]

I'll take a "flawed" one right now!

Still waiting for a call....

[junamuan]

As for the colour transition, it looks normal as 18 has to compensate for 2 digit whereas 6 only has single digit.

I looked at my BLNR and they are the same as yours.

[Andrejb]

Originally Posted by boojiking

Lol when they tightened the movement in place they forgot to check the alignment of the 12 o’clock mark with the crown in the Rehaut. The movement just need to be moved a fraction of a mm easily corrected by Rolex or any Ad with a watchmaker.

Hey Mike.

Thanks for chiming in! Looks like the 12:00 mark lines up perfectly with the coronet of the Rehaut from my eye


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[Rado63]

Here is a photo of the one I used to own Maybe this helps you.

[myc ritz]

I’d ask for a full refund : )

[Largoshark]

It's normal. While the 12 o'clock arrow on my CHNR bezel does line up perfectly, the color transition is not lined up exactly at 3 and 9 o'clock. I wouldn't let it bother you.

[giruto]

Really?jk


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[Baco Noir]

You OCD types blow me away. If it’s off my 1/2 a click maybe but when you need macros to see this stuff it’s not an issue.

[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by Andrejb

Makes complete sense. Appreciate your input!




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Just checked with mine, minute changes of angle seem to let reference points on the bezel travel pretty significantly in relation to reference points on the dial plane even when I try to hold it still on my wrist. There are probably tolerances in the production as well, after all any technical object has tolerances, but I’m pretty sure now I verified, that perspective plays a bit of a role too, you can even let the bezel triangle visually dance around the etched crown a bit by wobbling your wrist...

[Andrejb]

Originally Posted by Rado63

Here is a photo of the one I used to own Maybe this helps you.

Much more centred


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[Luap1976]

Originally Posted by Andrejb

So if you look at these photos, you can clearly see the arrow on the bezel at 12:00 doesn’t line up with the crown or the 12:00 lume plot

But looking even further. At 1800hrs the colour transition line is lower than the 9:00 marker. Meaning if the arrow was corrected to the left, the alignment at 1800hrs would be off.


Is this normal? Or an overall design flaw on Rolex end. I’m assuming perfect alignment isn’t possible simply because of the size difference in diameter of the dial and bezel





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Also the rehaut is pretty badly missalined even though the crown at 12 is perfectly aligned, you cant fix that by just turning the movement (dial)left or right like some cases. The engravings are missaligned something you dont often see,also cant wait for paddi to post his thoughts ;)."alignment points is what rolex make now not watches" love that qwote

[MARGARITATIME]

My ND had the same issue. Think its more common on the sub since there is 120 clicks. On GMT not many clicks so usually lines up. If it bothers I bet you can send it in or wait for service interval.

[samsmart]

My 116610 & 116710 are both off a smidge.

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[Floorguy]

All my watches tells the correct time! That’s all that matters to me!

[SkyJuice]

Originally Posted by syed117

wouldn't call it a "design flaw"

seems within rolex tolerances.

+1

[GJ-PGMTII]

This is why I’ve always thought Rolex were past their prime and trading solely on marketing over-hype.

This is not being anal.


Products elsewhere have solved simple issue Fonts, typography, spacing and colors.

Full disclosure, I’ve craved a gmt blro since I was a teenager and recently got a new blro, since it had a 70 hour reserve and more shock protection and of course simply because I could always making money on selling it...

[dillyo1233]

Lemon

[blada4life]

Just checked my 116710 blnr. It is identically off at the 12 hour marker. Never noticed it before. I think you’re fine. Prob the way they apply the markers.


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