Are Rolex Owners Foolish and Immoral?

[locutus49]

Maybe we should invite this guy to speak to us as a group on his moral superiority in a thread....uh, on second thought, maybe not.

[kieselguhr]

Originally Posted by locutus49

Maybe we should invite this guy to speak to us as a group on his moral superiority in a thread....uh, on second thought, maybe not.

It might devolve into a rather immoral discussion

[Notsoprobro]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

He has never heard of them.

Oh boy... he is in for a surprise.

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by Bryant Park

First off I am on this forum because I own more watches than the vast majority of people who are on this forum (including you I suspect) and have been collecting or years.

Second I didn't condescend or judge having openly acknowledged my having made the same decision as those posting.

I did however express my opinion that deciding to spend money on a luxury item is inherently wasteful and consequently a moral decision. I am comfortable to have made that decision and don't begrudge anyone the right to as you put it "buy yourself whatever the hapeck you want".

Let me guess nuance isn't your strong suit...

Have you posted photos of your collection. Would love to see it.

[dori]

Originally Posted by Bryant Park

First off I am on this forum because I own more watches than the vast majority of people who are on this forum (including you I suspect) and have been collecting or years.

This is my criteria Bryant. If you must know, it is a bit condescending too. As you don’t even know me. So yeah, condescending little boy sounds about right to me G




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[PJ S]

Dear Lord Gold Almighty, it’s getting to be as bad as Mumsnet in here, what with all the curtain twitching going on!
Why any of you are even the slightest bit perturbed by someone stating their contrary opinion on conspicuous consumption is risible, made all the more comical when you go on the attack, and start conjecturing on his clothing, footwear, where and what he drinks, and uses to write his comments via.

There’s no point me asking the rhetorical question, "Who cares what he thinks?”, as it’s pretty obvious a number of you care greatly, since he has you up in arms over his views, which were’t made on this platform, incidentally!
I couldn’t care less about his views, nor bother to concern myself whether he’s being wholly or partially hypocritical in some manner, so I’m failing to comprehend why this fazes any of you, and provoke childish retaliatory remarks?

[Bryant Park]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

Have you posted photos of your collection. Would love to see it.

Yes I have. Is this really a path you want to go down?

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

In a vacuum, maybe. But, I (like to) think it depends on what else one does with one’s life. Not just one $6,500 material item.

Well said brother

[Bryant Park]

Originally Posted by dori

This is my criteria Bryant. If you must know, it is a bit condescending too. As you don’t even know me. So yeah, condescending little boy sounds about right to me G




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Fair point I don't know you. Let's see that collection.

[ralfoto]

Actually I just "happened" upon this thread and it really made me sad......it seems it got out of hand and very personal and lost.......we all make choices, and if we are honest these are affected by our own ideas of morality, worth, and hard work...no need to judge really....the world is made up of very different types and there should be room for all or at least most of those types. I would say that I exclude people who use weapons of mass destruction, chemical weapons and such on others....but really I more interested to engage those who think differently and try to understand where it comes from and explain more fully where me own ideas come from....and yes I own some nice watches....so if I could actually save a life in a "moment" but sacrificing any or all I likely would as I am sure most on this forum would do ....

[dori]

Originally Posted by Bryant Park

Fair point I don't know you. Let's see that collection.

By the way, I love Tupac. I see you are a musician? Funny I didn’t see your name on top 100. You must be a big boy then right? Tryna flex on others? What a joke




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[Bryant Park]

Originally Posted by dori

By the way, I love Tupac. I see you are a musician? Funny I didn’t see your name on top 100. You must be a big boy then right? Tryna flex on others? What a joke




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Yet again very personal attack. Collection photo please...? Not flexing you appear to be calling me out. Are you not? You picked a fight by questioning the legitimacy of my being on TRF so humble me. Just a quick family picture.

[logo]

Originally Posted by Bryant Park

Yet again very personal attack. Collection photo please...? Not flexing you appear to be calling me out. Are you not? You picked a fight so humble me.

It’s a watch-off! DaytonaC, so hot right now.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/K2hWvw8FEava8/source.gif

[dori]

Originally Posted by Bryant Park

Yet again very personal attack. Collection photo please...? Not flexing you appear to be calling me out. Are you not? You picked a fight so humble me.

Don’t ask for no photos you rude boy. Come to Israel if you want to see my collection. And just for the record, I ain’t calling you out, just stated a few facts about you. Nuance you called it? Haha


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[pepsiretail]

Originally Posted by Bryant Park

Who suggested it was your job? I suggested you had the capacity to feed someone at the expense of owning a Rolex if you were so inclined. You have made a decision not to. I have similarly made that decision. Doesn't make you a good or bad person.

Seemingly it makes you uncomfortable to acknowledge you could do a lot of good with the money you spend on watches. Not your job or obligation to feed anyone nor is it your obligation to indulge yourself with a Rolex...it's a moral decision.

With every expenditure one could argue we make the decision you suggest. Every time we choose more than is required for the most basic of subsistence a cost benefit is calculated by each individual. The definition of cost and benefit will be determined by each and vary accordingly. The ability to feed another with the excess of a subsistence amount may be one of those factors.

However, if you are suggesting that the propagation of commercial enterprise, by spending money into a system which feeds and houses those employed in it, which medically treats them and educates their offspring through taxes is inherently a moral decision then that is false. It is practical. It works to ensure the sustained greater good. It is not at the core a moral question, it may just appear as one. An action that furthers good does not need a moral foundation and must not inherently arise from one, although much good is done from actions that have that foundation and do arise from it.

Spending money into an open commercial market does feed someone. If the assertion you are really making is that to simply give the money away, to not let it flow through the system but give it solely based on immediate need is more just then that is your moral imposition.

I know you can't be making such an imposition, because you are far from someone who simply made the choice to buy a Rolex, as your incredible collection is well known and admired and your opinions so thoughtful and regarded.

The individual who gives away the most over his basic need threshold is not inherently the most moral.

[Sunny Arizona]

Allow me to pontificate. Average cost of a wedding ring is 3 months pay. That’s 25k. I could buy several Rolex for that. Divorce rate is 50%. Depreciation of diamonds must be significant.
Sorry...I lost my train of thought. Just got some good wine from a local vineyard...

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Well, here's a guy who thinks that the very act of buying a Rolex, or I guess, any watch that costs more than $200, makes one both foolish and immoral.

Oh, the ignominy!

The Earth is dying and we Rolex owners are to blame!

Why I Want but Will Never Own the Best Watch Rolex Makes

Novelist Nicholas Mancusi goes to sleep and dreams of having an Explorer 1 on his wrist

...[I]f I had an Explorer, then that would mean that I was the kind of man who could spend $6,550 on a frivolous bauble, an act so foolish that it’s essentially immoral. The kind of man who didn’t waste time considering the amount of real good that could be done with that money, the wiser purchases, the mutual fund, the people who could be made happy, the gifts he could give, the lives he could change, or of the degradations on the planet that this exact desire for conspicuous consumption has wrought. The kind of man who could admit to himself that he was at base not that great of a guy, little more than a captive to his desires, and that if he wanted the shiny thing, then he could have it.

https://www.insidehook.com/article/w...h-rolex-offers

[Bryant Park]

Originally Posted by dori

Don’t ask for no photos you rude boy. Come to Israel if you want to see my collection. And just for the record, I ain’t calling you out, just states facts about you. Nuance you called it? Haha


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Will I also get to see the "watch gloves", "watch soap" and "watch trays" you started threads to get advice in sourcing? No picture I think we know who the joke is.

You started a thread: "Cleaning your Rolex" and asked...

"I Have The DJ41 Blue face dial and it's just over a year old.

There seems to be quite some dirt on the Jubilee Braclet..

wanted to know what is the best and safest way to clean it.

If you have a video for example would be great.

will post pictures of before and after."


To be honest no flex needed, pretty sad when you need a video to explain watch hygiene.

[dori]

Originally Posted by Bryant Park

Will I also get to see the "watch gloves", "watch soap" and "watch trays" you started threads to get advice in sourcing? No picture I think we know who the joke is.



You started a thread: "Cleaning your Rolex" and asked...



"I Have The DJ41 Blue face dial and it's just over a year old.



There seems to be quite some dirt on the Jubilee Braclet..



wanted to know what is the best and safest way to clean it.



If you have a video for example would be great.



will post pictures of before and after."





To be honest no flex needed, pretty sad when you need a video to explain watch hygiene.

LOL. Good for you mate. Going through my history? Hahahah I may have come into watches later than you (and probably Much younger aswell), but you still don’t know how I live and who I am. So you can try and wiggle out your hole all you want, but you just showed how pathetic you are . So what if I want to know about the best way to clean a watch? You think you putting me to shame or something? Man just go and play your cello or something you cringeworthy tough boy


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[AJMarcus]

[locutus49]

This is like a Twilight Zone episode where the aliens come to Earth and cause Earthlings to fight each other. Mancusi is the alien...

[Sunny Arizona]

Originally Posted by AJMarcus

Tool alert tonight. Monday night football too.

[Bryant Park]

Originally Posted by pepsiretail

With every expenditure one could argue we make the decision you suggest. Every time we choose more than is required for the most basic of subsistence a cost benefit is calculated by each individual. The definition of cost and benefit will be determined by each and vary accordingly. The ability to feed another with the excess of a subsistence amount may be one of those factors.

However, if you are suggesting that the propagation of commercial enterprise, by spending money into a system which feeds and houses those employed in it, which medically treats them and educates their offspring through taxes is inherently a moral decision then that is false. It is practical. It works to ensure the sustained greater good. It is not at the core a moral question, it may just appear as one. An action that furthers good does not need a moral foundation and must not inherently arise from one, although much good is done from actions that have that foundation and do arise from it.

Spending money into an open commercial market does feed someone. If the assertion you are really making is that to simply give the money away, to not let it flow through the system but give it solely based on immediate need is more just then that is your moral imposition.

I know you can't be making such an imposition, because you are far from someone who simply made the choice to buy a Rolex, as your incredible collection is well known and admired and your opinions so thoughtful and regarded.

The individual who gives away the most over his basic need threshold is not inherently the most moral.

I actually agree with your calibration and conclusion. I also very much appreciate your thoughtfulness.

My initial comments were more a response to numerous posters moral indignation at the suggestion that consumption is inherently a moral decision. I believe inherently in the ultimate efficiency of systematic capitalism. For individuals however I think introspection and discussion are worthwhile.

My intent wasn't to imply a "correct" or moral answer but a usefulness to not shouting disenting views down out of hand when it's easy given an audience predisposed to agree.

[AJMarcus]

Originally Posted by Sunny Arizona

Tool alert tonight. Monday night football too.

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by Jona

There are more than 7.5 billion people in the world. We can't expect intelligence and sanity from all of them.

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[Malum]

I’m sure when he goes out he only orders of the 99 cent menu .

[dori]

Bryant park (John),

Where you at with your tough talk boy? I’m missing you... but your probably too busy buying fake watches i assume? Bruv?

Omg thank you it’s so fun going through your history too and seeing you’re a douche not only on this thread.

Come back please, I’m entertained. Gonna sub if you continue dropping wisdom bombs




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[Bryant Park]

Originally Posted by dori

Bryant park (John),

Where you at with your tough talk boy? I’m missing you... but your probably too busy buying fake watches i assume? Bruv?

Omg thank you it’s so fun going through your history too and seeing you’re a douche not only on this thread.

Come back please, I’m entertained. Gonna sub if you continue dropping wisdom bombs




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At the inspired advice of several seasoned members I will refrain from further response. Not looking to get banned. Have a good night... congratulations you win!

[dori]

Originally Posted by Bryant Park

At the inspired advice of several seasoned members I will refrain from further response. Not looking to get banned. Have a good night... congratulations you win!

Same. We can call it a night. It’s a draw, since I heard you can also be a nice guy sometimes. Have a good evening sir john Bryant from the park


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[kieselguhr]

Originally Posted by Bryant Park

At the inspired advice of several seasoned members I will refrain from further response. Not looking to get banned. Have a good night... congratulations you win!

Sometimes, it’s just not worth it.

[jdmi32]

I’ll have him know that I was foolish and immoral well before I bought my first Rolex.