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rroche1982 · 5 February 2020, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Handey0465

Can you not just ask your dad where he acquired the watch? And for how much?

It was given to him as a gift he won for being top salesman for the year.

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fsprow · 5 February 2020, 02:36 AM

I think the OP has been treated quite poorly here and many folks are too quick to cry out “fake”. Lee Michaels is a well-established jeweler and I would be very surprised if they checked out the movement on the watch and incorrectly concluded that it was real. It’s not very hard to tell.

However, it might still be a good idea as others have suggested to take it to another Rolex AD or qualified watchmaker and I understand the OP intends to do so. I look forward to his findings.

Gmt21 · 5 February 2020, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by djgallo

I would find your watch highly questionable.

A Y serial should be a Mark1 dial and flat four bezel. The Y serial were the first Kermits released.

You may have a regular sub with a green bezel....

Y serials have been documented with pointed four inserts and Mark II dials.
It’s a misnomer that all early LVs are flat four and Mark I.

Bigblu10 · 5 February 2020, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rroche1982

Another

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100% FAKE JUNK

Bigblu10 · 5 February 2020, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fsprow

I think the OP has been treated quite poorly here and many folks are too quick to cry out “fake”. Lee Michaels is a well-established jeweler and I would be very surprised if they checked out the movement on the watch and incorrectly concluded that it was real. It’s not very hard to tell.

However, it might still be a good idea as others have suggested to take it to another Rolex AD or qualified watchmaker and I understand the OP intends to do so. I look forward to his findings.

If you can't immediately tell it's fake by the images shown you have no business defending the watch. Go google images of a real 16610LV and compare them to this watch. The differences are night and day friend.

djgallo · 5 February 2020, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Gmt21

Y serials have been documented with pointed four inserts and Mark II dials.
It’s a misnomer that all early LVs are flat four and Mark I.

I’ve not seen one yet....

Very few Kermit Y serials were made before the serial changed to F.

The OP’s dial is not a MarkII dial either.

Bigblu10 · 5 February 2020, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by djgallo

I’ve not seen one yet....

Very few Kermit Y serials were made before the serial changed to F.

The OP’s dial is not a MarkII dial either.

Dial is fake as well as the whole watch. BTW, any Rolex AD that claims that watch to be genuine has no business being a Rolex AD. They need to learn the difference between real and fake or close up shop!

rroche1982 · 5 February 2020, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigblu10

Dial is fake as well as the whole watch. BTW, any Rolex AD that claims that watch to be genuine has no business being a Rolex AD. They need to learn the difference between real and fake or close up shop!

I appreciate you passion for knowing everything Rolex and being able to spot a fake a mile away, but some of us don't which includes me. I know very little about these watches, that's why I came here to ask questions, hoping to get good feed back, not "I cant believe you cant tell that's 100% fake junk" comments. Which it may very well be fake

I guess according to your expertise Lee Michael's and Anton's fine jewelers which are both AD should quit selling Rolex, which is absurd. But I guess that's you logic.

I went to Anton's this morning, they could not confirm whether the watch was fake or real, he had his suspicions that it was not, but could not verify unless the back was removed to check the movement. He did say the dial was wrong, color, and style for serial and model #. Told me it was possible someone had an all black Submariner and changed the dial to make it look like a 50th anniversary, being they are more desirable. Also said the serial # is a 2002 model. Only way to verify correctly is to take it to a local watch shop in town that will remove the back to check movement. They do not have the tool at Antons to remove the back. I am going to head to the local watch place and have the back removed. But as i originally had reservations and questions of it actually being real, might be correct and it is a fake. Either way not a big deal I have no money in it.

I appreciate the members that have taken the time to send me private messages and responded to my post with intentions to help me.

Bigblu10 · 5 February 2020, 03:54 AM

Everything about the watch is fake from the dial on down to EVERYTHING else.
But if you need some sort of "validation" OP then go ahead and have the case back removed so the movement is visible. There are plenty of experienced members here who have told you the watch is not genuine. None of them are trying to mislead you in any way. The watch is a fake and a bad one at that. Cheers.

Burnettwatches · 5 February 2020, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Masteryacht

Looks fake.

yeah that is fake

smym18 · 5 February 2020, 04:19 AM

You're continuing to ignore the fact that it's a Googleable fake serial and someone else even posted the link to it.

watchnut100 · 5 February 2020, 04:27 AM

Why are you asking ? You must know this is a fake? It’s so of in lots of areas? I think this must be a joke or something?

beshannon · 5 February 2020, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by rroche1982

I guess according to your expertise Lee Michael's and Anton's fine jewelers which are both AD should quit selling Rolex, which is absurd. But I guess that's you logic.

Have them put in writing the appraisal of the watch

Gmt21 · 5 February 2020, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by djgallo

I’ve not seen one yet....

Very few Kermit Y serials were made before the serial changed to F.

The OP’s dial is not a MarkII dial either.

They are out there, an example from Michael Morgan sold a few years ago for example, and is a very early Y that was not Mark I, but Mark II - his did have flat four insert however. I have seen them with pointed four too, but I don't think they are very common.
This was a documented one owner watch.

F serials have also been documented with pointed and flat fours and Mark I, II as you may know.

It's pretty clear OPs watch isn't authentic.....
It has an oval O and three ticks at 6 o'clock. It seems like a combination of Mark I or II with the O and Mark IV configuration at 6 o'clock IMO.

https://www.iconicwatchcompany.com/s...610LVSUB2.html

GLADIATOR · 5 February 2020, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by fsprow

I think the OP has been treated quite poorly here and many folks are too quick to cry out “fake”. Lee Michaels is a well-established jeweler and I would be very surprised if they checked out the movement on the watch and incorrectly concluded that it was real. It’s not very hard to tell.

However, it might still be a good idea as others have suggested to take it to another Rolex AD or qualified watchmaker and I understand the OP intends to do so. I look forward to his findings.

No need
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A simple google of that serial number shows multiple incidents of fakes
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Bigblu10 · 5 February 2020, 04:56 AM

Here ya go. Image taken off the net.

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GLADIATOR · 5 February 2020, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigblu10

Here ya go. Image taken off the net.

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LOL
and thats FAKE

Dr.Brian · 5 February 2020, 06:15 AM

The watch is fake. If you would like to believe otherwise, that’s ok.
If the AD makes you an offer over $20, you should take it.
Make sure your sales receipt says “The watch is being sold AS IS.”

You should have a convo about why your father gave you a fake watch, or why his company gave him a fake watch. None of that makes any sense. Though I was told a car salesman got a GMT for being salesman of the year, and it was an even more obvious fake, so who knows these days. Maybe he bought a fake to keeps his prize pristine in the vault at home. People do strange stuff.

Chewbacca · 5 February 2020, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rroche1982

It was given to him as a gift he won for being top salesman for the year.

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Jeebus!

That's not even funny.

Wahlberg · 5 February 2020, 08:46 AM

Can't believe shops are having doubts about it. If they say it's real....

007timer · 5 February 2020, 08:56 AM

Go back to the jeweler and take his offer. Anything is good considering.

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GLADIATOR · 5 February 2020, 08:59 AM

Well it is 100% illegal to sell fakes.
So not good idea.
Either wear it or scrap it

Al1969 · 5 February 2020, 01:34 PM

I guess the gifting of fakes is no longer restricted to grandfathers.

usling15 · 5 February 2020, 01:50 PM

How could an AD not have the dies to remove the back ?

rroche1982 · 5 February 2020, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by usling15

How could an AD not have the dies to remove the back ?

I'm not sure but they sure didn't, I would have thought that was a requirement for an AD

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GLADIATOR · 5 February 2020, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by usling15

How could an AD not have the dies to remove the back ?

AD are distributors not all have or are approved service centers
Op may have just spoken to a sales rep.
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Andad · 5 February 2020, 01:57 PM

With the exception of sizing I think my AD in Oz sends all Rolex watch work to an interstate RSC.

Gtecko · 6 February 2020, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by rroche1982

I'm not sure but they sure didn't, I would have thought that was a requirement for an AD

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sorry OP but this is not the real deal ... do you have anything in writing from those "jewelers" or "Rolex dealers" that collaborate this watch is a genuine?!?

That I would love to see !

vitix · 6 February 2020, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by djgallo

I would find your watch highly questionable.

A Y serial should be a Mark1 dial and flat four bezel. The Y serial were the first Kermits released.

You may have a regular sub with a green bezel....

This is a maxi dial so this looks like the Rolex 50th Anniversary Submariner 16610V Kermit from the 2006 or 2007
For the authentication i'm not an expert if is a fake or not

jimmytamp · 6 February 2020, 03:05 AM

May be this could help OP, Kermit D serial with Everest leather band...

Cheers...

https://www.instagram.com/fliegerb777/

5 February 2020, 06:15 AM	#78
Dr.Brian 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: CA dreamin' Watch: ing the market. Posts: 5,906	The watch is fake. If you would like to believe otherwise, that’s ok. If the AD makes you an offer over $20, you should take it. Make sure your sales receipt says “The watch is being sold AS IS.” You should have a convo about why your father gave you a fake watch, or why his company gave him a fake watch. None of that makes any sense. Though I was told a car salesman got a GMT for being salesman of the year, and it was an even more obvious fake, so who knows these days. Maybe he bought a fake to keeps his prize pristine in the vault at home. People do strange stuff. __________________ -Brian AUDENTES FORTUNA IUVAT 十人十色

5 February 2020, 08:59 AM	#82
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Well it is 100% illegal to sell fakes. So not good idea. Either wear it or scrap it __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

5 February 2020, 01:34 PM	#83
Al1969 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,640	I guess the gifting of fakes is no longer restricted to grandfathers. __________________ WG SUB-116719 GMT MASTER II 126719

5 February 2020, 01:57 PM	#87
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,522	With the exception of sizing I think my AD in Oz sends all Rolex watch work to an interstate RSC. __________________ E

6 February 2020, 03:05 AM	#90
jimmytamp "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Middle East Watch: Rolex, Tudor, IWC, Posts: 291	May be this could help OP, Kermit D serial with Everest leather band... Cheers... https://www.instagram.com/fliegerb777/ __________________ Find me on Instagram: fliegerb777

5 February 2020, 02:36 AM	#62
fsprow 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Real Name: Frank Location: Dallas,NY,Colo. Watch: Patek 5168, 5170P Posts: 2,545	I think the OP has been treated quite poorly here and many folks are too quick to cry out “fake”. Lee Michaels is a well-established jeweler and I would be very surprised if they checked out the movement on the watch and incorrectly concluded that it was real. It’s not very hard to tell. However, it might still be a good idea as others have suggested to take it to another Rolex AD or qualified watchmaker and I understand the OP intends to do so. I look forward to his findings.

5 February 2020, 03:54 AM	#69
Bigblu10 Banned Join Date: Jul 2017 Real Name: Jaime Location: Here Posts: 5,606	Everything about the watch is fake from the dial on down to EVERYTHING else. But if you need some sort of "validation" OP then go ahead and have the case back removed so the movement is visible. There are plenty of experienced members here who have told you the watch is not genuine. None of them are trying to mislead you in any way. The watch is a fake and a bad one at that. Cheers.

5 February 2020, 04:19 AM	#71
smym18 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: USA Posts: 1,376	You're continuing to ignore the fact that it's a Googleable fake serial and someone else even posted the link to it.

5 February 2020, 04:27 AM	#72
watchnut100 SCUMBAG Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: uk Posts: 341	Why are you asking ? You must know this is a fake? It’s so of in lots of areas? I think this must be a joke or something?

5 February 2020, 04:56 AM	#76
Bigblu10 Banned Join Date: Jul 2017 Real Name: Jaime Location: Here Posts: 5,606	Here ya go. Image taken off the net. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

5 February 2020, 08:46 AM	#80
Wahlberg "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Paris Posts: 3,590	Can't believe shops are having doubts about it. If they say it's real....

5 February 2020, 08:56 AM	#81
007timer "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: US Watch: BLNR Posts: 1,383	Go back to the jeweler and take his offer. Anything is good considering. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

5 February 2020, 01:50 PM	#84
usling15 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Virginia Posts: 253	How could an AD not have the dies to remove the back ?

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