Did I miss the Blueberry Memo

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

I know, I tried following crownartscustoms.

Crownartcustoms doesn’t exist on Instagram, or even as a working company anywhere, anymore.

But, why is there a post and a picture about fake parts on here, anyway? Thought that was expressly forbidden.

[BigBlue1]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Crownartcustoms doesn’t exist on Instagram, or even as a working company anywhere, anymore.

But, why is there a post and a picture about fake parts on here, anyway? Thought that was expressly forbidden.

They are fake in your and my opinion but to others they are real and it hasn’t been proven to be fake and or authentic, but I sure would conclude that the inserts are fake giving the 0 documentation out there as no one has been able to come forward with any definitive proof.

[swaini3]

Originally Posted by springer

Send HQ an email about their blueberry for sale and ask them if it is genuine- and if they say it is genuine, what makes it genuine. That should satisfy your curiosity and you can report your findings back here to all the inquiring minds that need to know.

No, thank you. Not interested in finding out nor do I wanna know. im not curious either.

[swaini3]

Originally Posted by roh123

Or just let people decide on their own. The inserts aren’t more questionable today than they were 5-10 years ago.

No one knows and sellers that demand a premium will never say they think they are wrong. The whole discussion is stupid and no one discussing them would ever buy one. Creating a mob on the internet will not prove anything. The inserts are around and no one will throw them away or sell them cheap. It is what it is.

Yea, thats pretty much my point. I do feel bad for the people that paid premiums for it back then. There are still reputable delaers that swear by them. Is it to protect their own interests? who knows... if they really know theyre fake and insist on claiming their authenticity then shame on them.

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by BigBlue1

They are fake in your and my opinion but to others they are real and it hasn’t been proven to be fake and or authentic, but I sure would conclude that the inserts are fake giving the 0 documentation out there as no one has been able to come forward with any definitive proof.

You miss my point. The ones HE (@CrownArtCustoms) was selling he says aren’t authentic. And sells them as “aftermarket”

[roh123]

Originally Posted by swaini3

Yea, thats pretty much my point. I do feel bad for the people that paid premiums for it back then. There are still reputable delaers that swear by them. Is it to protect their own interests? who knows... if they really know theyre fake and insist on claiming their authenticity then shame on them.

How would dealers know? The only one that can say is Rolex (they aren’t saying) and the person that sold the first batch out of Florida nearly 20 years ago. If that person made them or got them from Rolex or a service center somehow.

[BigBlue1]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

You miss my point. The ones HE (@CrownArtCustoms) was selling he says aren’t authentic. And sells them as “aftermarket”

Duly noted

[BigBlue1]

Maybe until it’s proven one way or the other these blueberry threads should be banned till there is conclusive evidence of their authenticity. I must admit there was a time when I wanted one as they are unique and are visually striking . Then as time went on and I educated myself I found more questions then answers surrounding their authenticity. Every time one of these blueberry threads pop up they usually bring negative attention, inconclusive evidence or Sometimes get shut down by Peter

[Paulie 50]

Originally Posted by BigBlue1

Maybe until it’s proven one way or the other these blueberry threads should be banned till there is conclusive evidence of their authenticity. I must admit there was a time when I wanted one as they are unique and are visually striking . Then as time went on and I educated myself I found more questions then answers surrounding their authenticity. Every time one of these blueberry threads pop up they usually bring negative attention and inconclusive evidence. Sometimes shut down by Peter

I agree. There are many people out there that unfortunately, because they bought at absolutely premium, premium prices, can't afford to accept the generally held opinion that these insert were never on a watch that left Geneva.

[twnturbo]

https://www.instagram.com/crownartcustoms/



Heres the link for all you none ig savy oldtimers lol,it's private which means you have to request to follow even has some kissers

[Zhaodan920]

For those who didn't see it yet, Eric makes a quick comment on the "strong opinions" around the blueberry in Hodinkee's new ref points published today.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/ro...ference-points

[Showcall]

Originally Posted by Zhaodan920

For those who didn't see it yet, Eric makes a quick comment on the "strong opinions" around the blueberry in Hodinkee's new ref points published today.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/ro...ference-points

"It should be stated up front that this bezel insert is a controversial part, and the collecting community remains divided as to whether these all-blue inserts were ever even made by Rolex. Bezels aren't signed like dials, cases, movements, and bracelets, making them easier parts to fake"

Quite simply until some can produce papers stating it came from the factory!
Then its the Blueberry at your peril.

[Wahlberg]

Still for sale, would have thought someone would have jumped on it or too many doubts. Current pandemic doesn't help obviously.

[joli160]

When in doubt there is no doubt

[brockburst]

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[oligeo]

Originally Posted by springer

Send HQ an email about their blueberry for sale and ask them if it is genuine- and if they say it is genuine, what makes it genuine. That should satisfy your curiosity and you can report your findings back here to all the inquiring minds that need to know.

Hello Springer,
Couples of weeks already since you made the proposal to ask HQMilton about this Blueberry GMT. Any news (as it's still on sale.......)?
Regards
Cheers
Oli

[BigBlue1]

Originally Posted by springer

Send HQ an email about their blueberry for sale and ask them if it is genuine- and if they say it is genuine, what makes it genuine. That should satisfy your curiosity and you can report your findings back here to all the inquiring minds that need to know.

Springer never said he was going to ask. Make sure to fact check, that’s how rumors get started.

[BigBlue1]

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

Still for sale, would have thought someone would have jumped on it or too many doubts. Current pandemic doesn't help obviously.

Now it is sold, so it says.

[oligeo]

Originally Posted by BigBlue1

Springer never said he was going to ask. Make sure to fact check, that’s how rumors get started.

My bad,
I understood he was going to do it. (non native speaker here)
but thx for the update though.
Cheers
Oli

[Gmt21]

Originally Posted by BigBlue1

Now it is sold, so it says.

Seems not?

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...lueberry-A3380

[schaumburgla]

I have never owned a "Bluberry" GMT or insert nor do I ever plan on unless its an extreme value; However I am very curious as to many of the Blueberry inserts Ive seen have the correct fonts & correct appearance as to other genuine Rolex 1675/16750 inserts.
Personally I have yet to see a correct looking fake/aftermarket insert that could pass as genuine. If an aftermarket 1675/16750 Pepsi or Black insert exists that is an exact clone of the original.... well Ive yet to see it.
Im not making an argument for or against Blueberry's I'm just puzzled by how spot on some of the fonts & appearance are to the genuine Pepsi's & Blacks??

Thanks
Justin

[carwashchris]

The 2 on C24 are marked sold........

[springer]

Originally Posted by schaumburgla

I have never owned a "Bluberry" GMT or insert nor do I ever plan on unless its an extreme value; However I am very curious as to many of the Blueberry inserts Ive seen have the correct fonts & correct appearance as to other genuine Rolex 1675/16750 inserts.
Personally I have yet to see a correct looking fake/aftermarket insert that could pass as genuine. If an aftermarket 1675/16750 Pepsi or Black insert exists that is an exact clone of the original.... well Ive yet to see it.
Im not making an argument for or against Blueberry's I'm just puzzled by how spot on some of the fonts & appearance are to the genuine Pepsi's & Blacks??

Thanks
Justin

There is a guy in Florida selling "spot on" replicas, fakes or whatever word you prefer to describe them. He sells various types of inserts to include "fuchsia" "Pepsi" inserts with a blue back. And, they have correct fonts. I'm sure that he is not the only person that has sold these "correct" replica inserts currently or in the past.

I've seen other replicas in the past too that mimic the correct fonts.

Then there is the outer ridge dimple found on the backside of some of the genuine inserts. Most notably found on the solid gold or brown and two-tone acrylic model GMT inserts as well as some of the acrylic model "Pepsi" and "Blueberry" inserts. I've seen all of these in person. It leads to more questions indeed since the ridge dimple is found on various genuine inserts - not all, but some of them. I can not explain why the dimple is there, but I can only surmise that it has something to do with the manufacturer and/or manufacturing process.

The dimples as seen below:

[BigBlue1]

Originally Posted by Gmt21

Seems not?

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...lueberry-A3380

Seems the one that was referred to was this sold one and didn't realize they marked it sold then re-listed again.

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...lueberry-A2468

[Zhaodan920]

Update: https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...lueberry-A3380

Looks like it was sold/pending

[BigBlue1]

Originally Posted by Zhaodan920

Update: https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...lueberry-A3380

Looks like it was sold/pending

Pending the outcome of the investigation maybe ;)

[Throttle]

I have seen the ridge dimples on replica inserts but i have never seen any dimples on the genuine ones. Or perhaps i wasnt looking close enough.
I will go through some of my spare gen inserts tonight to see if i can find any dimples and report back here thereafter.
Cheers

[HK_Expat]

Originally Posted by Dan S

Most likely the practical meaning of the authenticity guarantee is that they will give you a refund if you demonstrate that a watch you purchased is not authentic. I don't think they need to PROVE that the insert is authentic, because obviously nobody has been able to do that. It's buyer beware.

+1

IMO if you can’t PROVE it’s 100% authentic.....it isn’t, period.
Internet is full of hype, misinformation and deception.
If you are going to lay down big $$ you should have no doubt whatsoever
Dealers can’t be trusted totally....they are in the business of moving product and use vague terms and verbage to make sales

[Throttle]

Originally Posted by Throttle

I have seen the ridge dimples on replica inserts but i have never seen any dimples on the genuine ones. Or perhaps i wasnt looking close enough.
I will go through some of my spare gen inserts tonight to see if i can find any dimples and report back here thereafter.
Cheers

Now that i have looked through several, i realise that the older ones tend to have the ridge dimples. Although i see some without. So though its not conclusive, i would agree that ridge dimples is part of the manufacturing process for older inserts. The ridges are also far wider than the newer ones with thinner ridges.
Those with thinner ridges hv no dimples.

[TimeLord2]

Thanks for all the great information on this topic! Very interesting!