Rolex & Sustainability

[macrowatch]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

These 'adult children' are the progeny of the same generations you are referring to.

So if the current generation of under 30's are broadly speaking ineffectual members of society (which I wholeheartedly dispute); then it stands to reason their parents and society at large fundamentally failed them.

For clarity's sake I will point out that I do not fall in to the under 30's demographic, I simply don't subscribe to the ridiculous notion that being younger means you should shut up and listen to your elders on every matter.

That may be the best defense of the current and incoming generation I have ever read! I must now steal that line of logic...

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by Hungry Eyes

Gotta say: Watchmaker, big fan of your posts here.

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by macrowatch

...I must now steal that line of logic...

Consider it a gift

[joli160]

They do support a lot of charities.

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by Hollie_Rollie

I mean, he’s got a point though.

I don’t believe he does.

Individuals are distinct from issues, and we would be wise to refrain from conflating them.

[Rori]

Originally Posted by thesharkfactor

Big questions for a 20something.. should you not be chasing girls and boozing?

Hahahahaha, well, our OP may well be doing that but wondering about sustainability at the same time.
Amazing topic by the way.


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[Paul7]

Originally Posted by Hungry Eyes

Hi Paul. Is this a political issue, or a social issue? I know the two are frequently conflated, but I’m backing the latter here.
All best

I say it is a political issue, and involves the whole global warming hysteria, where the climate is always your fault and the solution is always more socialism.

If Rolex were using slave labor to manufacture, as I believe Nike does, you'd have a point.

[GONZO2LR]

Originally Posted by Scoobs

Can’t think of a more sustainable product myself

Small amount of materials required given the end product
No plastics in end product
No batteries
Lasts for decades
Many even keep all the packaging including plastic hang tags

How old is the OP’s smart phone I wonder ?

Im thinking the same thing, or his iPhone watch!.you pay lots of money for a new cell, it deprecates after a few years, with no return value and only to go spend even more on a new one! ponder on this subject matter young'un? Ohh no...that's different...duhh...

[Paul7]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

These 'adult children' are the progeny of the same generations you are referring to.

So if the current generation of under 30's are broadly speaking ineffectual members of society (which I wholeheartedly dispute); then it stands to reason their parents and society at large fundamentally failed them.

That is a victim mentality, only individuals are responsible for their actions, not 'society', whatever that is. Perhaps it was a student problem, not a teacher one.

For clarity's sake I will point out that I do not fall in to the under 30's demographic, I simply don't subscribe to the ridiculous notion that being younger means you should shut up and listen to your elders on every matter.

What is ridiculous is imagining a 25 year old has the same wisdom and life experience as a 65 year old. How can someone live another 40 years without learning anything?

[Calatrava r]

What does "sustainability" have to do with thoughtful provenance? Sustainability is all about being renewable. There is nothing in a watch which is renewable. How the materials are sourced pertains to ethical and responsible business practices.

[abozz]

After suffering 21 years and counting a communist, environmentalist government (No government destroyed the Amazon more than the current socialist hypocrite), I can say that I have developed a total rejection of everything the OP has written in this thread. I apologize in advance to the moderator, Mr. Padi, but I had to say it.

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[tudorbaja27]

Originally Posted by thesharkfactor

Big questions for a 20something.. should you not be chasing girls and boozing?

:che ers:

[AK797]

Originally Posted by thesharkfactor

Big questions for a 20something.. should you not be chasing girls and boozing?

Are they even allowed anymore? Certainly they can't chase girls now or look at them, and they get far more kudos and Insta points for being super-woke than being a swordsman, girls are so 2010.

[White Collar Boy]

OP, I really liked your question(s). I’m gonna go back on my earlier post where I said this was not a political issue but a social one, and admit it is both (who could deny the imperative politicisation of environmentalism?). This is more obvious to me because of some of the scoffing here which has descended into jokey chauvinism. Thoughtful, polarising question though.

FWIW, I hope you can resist the, er, good-natured teasing suggestions to go chase girls. At your age, I’m pretty sure that’s illegal.

[Chester01]

These are challenging questions and likely not easy answers. Rolex is not open about much of their manufacturing process and so it’s hard to really answer this. It’s also philosophical as well with significant complexity. There is always a clash between capital and labor and this is more balanced in some places than others and often a matter of perspective. I also don’t think it’s black and white either as most try to find simple yes/no answers to a gray world. Rolex does do various things for charity and to “give back” . Is that enough, well it depends again on perspective. I am afraid if one is looking to buy any of their goods from toilet paper to luxury goods and they look hard and deep enough they will find things they agree with or like and things they disagree with or don’t like. One has to set their own standards. What seems clear is people are having trouble with ambivalence and don’t understand that companies like all of us have good aspects and bad aspects, and we are having difficulty reconciling that.

[pedrocaguirre]

Originally Posted by G.Montag

If I were you, I’d be far more concerned about the “sustainability” of the computing device that you used to make this post. Without a doubt, it was made in China or some other third world country where environmental standards exist only on paper and where labour conditions are often slavery-like. But something tells me that you already knew that but decided that the convenience of owning a computer and a cell phone outweighed whatever moral principles you claim to possess.

I claim to possess? Oh, I just learned that from asking a question I inherently claim to possess some moral principles. I could be making a living off of fracking or any highly polluting industry for all you know, Mr.

It's funny how you assume that I claim such principles having little idea whatsoever about me. All best.

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by Paul7

That is a victim mentality, only individuals are responsible for their actions, not 'society', whatever that is. Perhaps it was a student problem, not a teacher one.

Culture and customs influence behaviour and actions. To say otherwise is demonstrably incorrect.

Originally Posted by Paul7

What is ridiculous is imagining a 25 year old has the same wisdom and life experience as a 65 year old. How can someone live another 40 years without learning anything?

I agree with you, that is ridiculous. Fortunately that’s not what I said.

What I was suggesting, and will now say explicitly for the avoidance of further misinterpretation is that additional years of life experience do not automatically translate to knowledge of specific topics.

Knowledge is knowledge and ignorance is ignorance, irrespective of age.

[pedrocaguirre]

Originally Posted by Rochester585

Hilarious post. Why dont you take a peek at some of the homes and lifestyles of the biggest pushers and proponents of climate theory. i would imagine youre fresh out of some super liberal indoctrina....i mean university.

another question for OP....if you found out today that your Rolex watches were being produced in high carbon emission, slave labor type factories...would you take your watch off and stop buying in the future?

Just stop with this nonsense

Hi Rochester585,
I am just asking a question, please do not make assumptions about where I come from or what my background is. You probably do not know how many watches I own or if this issue affects my purchase behaviours at all. Curiosity killed the cat, but others making assumptions on the side made a good effort I bet. No hard feelings Rochester585!!

Best,

[Paul7]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

Culture and customs influence behaviour and actions. To say otherwise is demonstrably incorrect.

We are all responsible for our actions, try blaming society when before a judge.

I agree with you, that is ridiculous. Fortunately that’s not what I said.

What I was suggesting, and will now say explicitly for the avoidance of further misinterpretation is that additional years of life experience do not automatically translate to knowledge of specific topics.

They are more likely to than not. It takes a bit of hubris for a young person to think otherwise.

[Marcjvr]

Originally Posted by Paul7

I say it is a political issue, and involves the whole global warming hysteria, where the climate is always your fault and the solution is always more socialism.

If Rolex were using slave labor to manufacture, as I believe Nike does, you'd have a point.

It’s not a political issue but you are trying hard to make it into one. The OP is just questioning whether Rolex follows ethical business practices. Not sure why this offends you so much

[pedrocaguirre]

Originally Posted by Marcjvr

It’s not a political issue but you are trying hard to make it into one. The OP is just questioning whether Rolex follows ethical business practices. Not sure why this offends you so much

Thank you Marcjvr, that is exactly it!

P.

[j0hnny]

Originally Posted by zjd168

well this seems deeper than those SS scarcity rant threads

It does indeed!


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[White Collar Boy]

Originally Posted by Paul7

We are all responsible for our actions, try blaming society when before a judge.

Ayn Rand fan, perchance?

[watchmaker]

Originally Posted by Paul7

We are all responsible for our actions, try blaming society when before a judge.

Responsibility does not preclude influence.

Judges (as well as prosecutors) frequently consider mitigating factors in a case.

n.b. At no point did I say I blame society for anything. My comment included a preface that I disagree with tarring an entire generation with the same brush...but if you do then generalisations must be made about the preceding generations as well, both societally and as parents/figures of authority.

Originally Posted by Paul7

They are more likely to than not. It takes a bit of hubris for a young person to think otherwise.

I am advocating the stance that knowledge and mastery of a subject or skill is indiscriminate of age, and your response is to say that this shows hubris. Gotcha

We have fundamentally differing points of view, which is fine. Enjoy your life

[pedrocaguirre]

Originally Posted by Paul7

They are more likely to than not. It takes a bit of hubris for a young person to think otherwise.

I think, sir, you might have been mislead by some comment I did not make or idea I did not express. I do think experience overweighs almost any other knowledge source in general terms. And ftr, I do not remotely consider myself even close to being an expert in any topic surrounding watchmaking, if that was what you tried to express.

Best,
P.

[Hollie_Rollie]

It’s getting hot in here! Let’s move this thread to the general discussion forum for more feedback!

[HogwldFLTR]

One of my companies larger client whos name I won't mention but they sell fruity computers and phones, etc. They are extremely keen on sustainability and it's not only related to material resources but in all levels of the business ranging from fairness in personnel reaching to all business dealings. This is routinely audited. One of the last times they did an audit it had nothing to do with the manufacturing portion of the business. I find that encouraging and refreshing unlike the discussion of the poor Rolex worker. One would think that Rolex would be a bit more conscientious in their dealings.

[Roddypeepa]

A business that is not sustainable is unlikely to thrive in many parts of the world over the coming years imo. Better get ahead of the game now if at all possible


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[Nikrnic]

Seriously!!

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[LOWERCASE GUY]

Interesting thread. Well done OP, you have articulated yourself well throughout.

Back to more serious business, anyone know why my AD won't sell me a SS Daytona?