Tough choice to make

[Ny325]

The Submariner now, the Omega in the future. After wearing the Sub, the Omega would probably be off your radar.

[Fleetlord]

Absolutely 1000000% Submariner from AD.

Then get Speedmaster preowned.

Pass on Seamaster.

No reason to buy Omega new from AD, especially when pre owned is substantially less $$$ than discounted new references.

[teabags001]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

Absolutely 1000000% Submariner from AD.

Then get Speedmaster preowned.

Pass on Seamaster.

No reason to buy Omega new from AD, especially when pre owned is substantially less $$$ than discounted new references.

This man makes sense!


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[kizerman]

Originally Posted by Lew Archer

Many years ago, I was on the verge of buying a Rolex dive watch...considering between the Submariner, Submariner Date, and the Seadweller. This was 1997, in a pre-ceramic, pre-Rolex drought time. The Submariner was the least expensive, about $3,200, MSRP, as I recall. Could I have afforded it? Yes, but it was a stretch. I passed. At that time, I wore my father's Omega Speedmaster Professional, a mid 1970s vintage. About ten months later, I bought an Omega Speedmaster, one with day of the week and month complications, at a fair price, below $2,000. It was (and is) and elegant chronograph. The dial is silver, as is the bezel.

Yet, the desire for a "dive" watch persisted. A few weeks later, I gave in and bought a dive watch. The Omega Seamaster Professional, with the blue wave dial and blue bezel (the blue color helped me raiionalize that this was not another "black dial/black bezel" watch). And, again, I came in under $2,000.
Taken together, the cost was roughly that of just one Submariner. I congratulated myself on a bargain. Two Omegas, rather than one Rolex. And, in fact, I had two fantastic new Omegas, and they remain fine watches. I've had each serviced but once. I eventually put a alligator strap on that silver dial Speedmaster.

And yet, the itch for that Submariner persisted. I couldn't bring myself to buy another high end dive watch, though. So, when I could comfortably afford it, I bought my first Rolex in 2002, a GMT Master II, with black and red bezel. Apart from the GMT complication, the black/red bezel helped me rationalize the purchase...as it differed from my other watches. That first Rolex is very special to me, a marvelous watch, one of those "if i only had one this could be it" watches. And, the GMT is every bit as iconic as the Submariner and the GMT complication is very useful. I used to travel quite a lot on business.

And yet, the itch for that Submariner persisted. And, a few years later, I bought a Submariner Date. They didn't have the Submariner in stock, and I was in the mood to walk out of the store with a Submariner, by God. And, I thought, if I ever need to sell it, there will probably be more demand for the date model anyway. Another example of rationalizing when you want to buy NOW. I walked out with a fantastic watch. I still enjoy it immensely.

And yet, the itch for that Submariner persisted. Yes, I had the model with the date. But, every time I saw the "no date" version in a shop, it called to me. That pure bred, no date complication, classic Submariner. Surely, though, it would be irresponsible to spend so much money on another Submariner! My rationalizations, however, gradually evolved...and I discovered the best rationalization of all.

I am a collector! A collector collects the same item, more or less, enjoying the subtle variations...such as a Submariner with a date and one without. And yes, I bought that Submariner, the 14060M, just before it was discontinued in favor of the first ceramic version.

So, if there's a lesson here, what is it? Buy what you really want. It doesn't matter if it's the best financial deal, or logical, or has a different look than your other watches. Buy the watch you really want THE MOST. In the end, that will prove to be the bargain.

All these years later, I'm happy to report that I still enjoy all the watches that led to the Submariner. I still have them all, still wear them. As it turned out, I love watches. And, I've been lucky enough to indulge that passion. So, you can buy the two Omegas now. They are great watches, worthy goals in their own right. The Speedmaster, thanks in large part to its Moonwatch history, is as iconic as it gets and anyone who truly appreciates fine sports watches should own one. The Seamaster is a marvelous rendition of a classic dive watch, too. While Omegas have gotten more expensive in recent years (in the late 90s, they were a steal compared to Rolex), they're still a good value.

I'm not a flipper. However, financial circumstances can change. As you will see others on this forum note, the Rolex does hold its value far better than Omega. You get the discount on a new Omega. But, should you re-sell, you will likely take a hit. With Rolex, particularly a model like the new Submariner, especially in the current drought environment, it will hold its value, and, very likely, appreciate in value, at least in the near term. However, all those considerations...the logical, analytical comparisons, the thinking with the rational part of your brain...in my view, should be secondary to the emotional satisfaction you get from obtaining the watch you really want the most.

A very long answer to your question. You will hear many worthwhile opinions in response, but, the bottom line is...go with your gut. I suspect in your heart of hearts, you want the Rolex the most, despite the logical appeal of the Omegas. If that's so, unless building a collection gradually is something you want to do, wait it out, wait for the Submariner to be available. You can buy the Omegas now, and truly enjoy them, but I suspect the desire for the Rolex will persist. You will probably buy it eventually anyway. You'll have three great watches, if you're inclined to owning a collection.

However, if you're more inclined to simply have the one watch you want the most, then buy that one. From your post, I suspect it's the Submariner you really want the most, deep down.

Good luck!

I must admit, I didn't read one word of this post. I just looked at the length of it and wondered, WTF has this much time on their hands??

[Verdi]

Get the Sub!

You can add a Speedy any time later on. Pre-owned ones are half price pretty much.

[SeeDweller]

Originally Posted by kizerman

I must admit, I didn't read one word of this post. I just looked at the length of it and wondered, WTF has this much time on their hands??

Actually . . . I took the time to "scan" it . . . then found myself going back and actually reading it. It's a heartfelt, beautiful, description of what many of us feel, and experience. Nice.

And . . . . get the sub now, if you can. You won't regret that, the rest of your life. Trust me on this one....

[AEV]

If you haven't tried the Sub yet as you have written, wait to see it first.
Then you can make the conscious choice having seen and tried all three watches.

Go for what you like, not what is the best deal.

IMHO, DJ + Sub is a wonderful combo.

[billyboy360]

Go for the Submariner !

[Doood]

Originally Posted by brandrea

I’d take the Speedy and save for the Sub

I like this idea

But isn’t that Seamaster 43mm? If you can handle the size, then maybe go SD43. It’s just a more interesting watch than a black sub. Love the matte dial, and the red font...and you can add a rubber strap to the SD43.

If Seadweller isn’t an option, I would go Speedmaster and save for the sub also...but maybe get another flavor of sub other than black. We are lucky the iconic sub comes in so many color options. Perhaps your AD can source the new Kermit or a bluesy.

It’s easy to like black watches, but Rolex does color well.

[Number3]

Originally Posted by kizerman

I must admit, I didn't read one word of this post. I just looked at the length of it and wondered, WTF has this much time on their hands??

I would take the time to read it, it is very well written.

[nicon]

Speedmaster.

[morg.k24]

....your choice but mine remains ROLEX.

[Ian Macdermott]

Originally Posted by Hollie_Rollie

You’re most likely going to get biased opinions here because you’re asking on TRF. I would prefer the 2 omegas in this case. But I’d go blue dial omega with the speedy.

Same here everyone and his dog has a Sub.

If your looking at having your watches as an "investment" go for the Rolex, at the end of the day go with the watch or watches that you like.

[Notepad12]

Originally Posted by Ian Macdermott

Same here everyone and his dog has a Sub.



If your looking at having your watches as an "investment" go for the Rolex, at the end of the day go with the watch or watches that you like.

All this investment talk and AD games is what's driving me away from Rolex. I own to wear.

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[Notepad12]

Originally Posted by Lew Archer

Many years ago, I was on the verge of buying a Rolex dive watch...considering between the Submariner, Submariner Date, and the Seadweller. This was 1997, in a pre-ceramic, pre-Rolex drought time. The Submariner was the least expensive, about $3,200, MSRP, as I recall. Could I have afforded it? Yes, but it was a stretch. I passed. At that time, I wore my father's Omega Speedmaster Professional, a mid 1970s vintage. About ten months later, I bought an Omega Speedmaster, one with day of the week and month complications, at a fair price, below $2,000. It was (and is) and elegant chronograph. The dial is silver, as is the bezel.

Yet, the desire for a "dive" watch persisted. A few weeks later, I gave in and bought a dive watch. The Omega Seamaster Professional, with the blue wave dial and blue bezel (the blue color helped me raiionalize that this was not another "black dial/black bezel" watch). And, again, I came in under $2,000.
Taken together, the cost was roughly that of just one Submariner. I congratulated myself on a bargain. Two Omegas, rather than one Rolex. And, in fact, I had two fantastic new Omegas, and they remain fine watches. I've had each serviced but once. I eventually put a alligator strap on that silver dial Speedmaster.

And yet, the itch for that Submariner persisted. I couldn't bring myself to buy another high end dive watch, though. So, when I could comfortably afford it, I bought my first Rolex in 2002, a GMT Master II, with black and red bezel. Apart from the GMT complication, the black/red bezel helped me rationalize the purchase...as it differed from my other watches. That first Rolex is very special to me, a marvelous watch, one of those "if i only had one this could be it" watches. And, the GMT is every bit as iconic as the Submariner and the GMT complication is very useful. I used to travel quite a lot on business.

And yet, the itch for that Submariner persisted. And, a few years later, I bought a Submariner Date. They didn't have the Submariner in stock, and I was in the mood to walk out of the store with a Submariner, by God. And, I thought, if I ever need to sell it, there will probably be more demand for the date model anyway. Another example of rationalizing when you want to buy NOW. I walked out with a fantastic watch. I still enjoy it immensely.

And yet, the itch for that Submariner persisted. Yes, I had the model with the date. But, every time I saw the "no date" version in a shop, it called to me. That pure bred, no date complication, classic Submariner. Surely, though, it would be irresponsible to spend so much money on another Submariner! My rationalizations, however, gradually evolved...and I discovered the best rationalization of all.

I am a collector! A collector collects the same item, more or less, enjoying the subtle variations...such as a Submariner with a date and one without. And yes, I bought that Submariner, the 14060M, just before it was discontinued in favor of the first ceramic version.

So, if there's a lesson here, what is it? Buy what you really want. It doesn't matter if it's the best financial deal, or logical, or has a different look than your other watches. Buy the watch you really want THE MOST. In the end, that will prove to be the bargain.

All these years later, I'm happy to report that I still enjoy all the watches that led to the Submariner. I still have them all, still wear them. As it turned out, I love watches. And, I've been lucky enough to indulge that passion. So, you can buy the two Omegas now. They are great watches, worthy goals in their own right. The Speedmaster, thanks in large part to its Moonwatch history, is as iconic as it gets and anyone who truly appreciates fine sports watches should own one. The Seamaster is a marvelous rendition of a classic dive watch, too. While Omegas have gotten more expensive in recent years (in the late 90s, they were a steal compared to Rolex), they're still a good value.

I'm not a flipper. However, financial circumstances can change. As you will see others on this forum note, the Rolex does hold its value far better than Omega. You get the discount on a new Omega. But, should you re-sell, you will likely take a hit. With Rolex, particularly a model like the new Submariner, especially in the current drought environment, it will hold its value, and, very likely, appreciate in value, at least in the near term. However, all those considerations...the logical, analytical comparisons, the thinking with the rational part of your brain...in my view, should be secondary to the emotional satisfaction you get from obtaining the watch you really want the most.

A very long answer to your question. You will hear many worthwhile opinions in response, but, the bottom line is...go with your gut. I suspect in your heart of hearts, you want the Rolex the most, despite the logical appeal of the Omegas. If that's so, unless building a collection gradually is something you want to do, wait it out, wait for the Submariner to be available. You can buy the Omegas now, and truly enjoy them, but I suspect the desire for the Rolex will persist. You will probably buy it eventually anyway. You'll have three great watches, if you're inclined to owning a collection.

However, if you're more inclined to simply have the one watch you want the most, then buy that one. From your post, I suspect it's the Submariner you really want the most, deep down.

Good luck!

Thank you for taking the time to post this reply, I enjoyed reading it

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[Notepad12]

Originally Posted by Doood

I like this idea

But isn’t that Seamaster 43mm? If you can handle the size, then maybe go SD43. It’s just a more interesting watch than a black sub. Love the matte dial, and the red font...and you can add a rubber strap to the SD43.

If Seadweller isn’t an option, I would go Speedmaster and save for the sub also...but maybe get another flavor of sub other than black. We are lucky the iconic sub comes in so many color options. Perhaps your AD can source the new Kermit or a bluesy.

It’s easy to like black watches, but Rolex does color well.

I have tried the Seadweller on but found it to be abit top heavy in the short time I tried it on in the AD, let alone having to wear it a full day

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[Lew Archer]

My pleasure!

(Thought I’d keep this reply post short!)

Originally Posted by Notepad12

Thank you for taking the time to post this reply, I enjoyed reading it

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[Harry-57]

If you love them all so much, buy all three.

Can't have all three? That's easy. Buy the one(s) you like the most.

Don't know which one you like the most? That's easy too. You like the Sub. So buy the Sub. Anything else you want me to tell you?

[MTdweller]

OP: I own the exact model Seamaster in your initial post and I love it. It’s a fantastic watch! However, I love my TT Sub more. Get the watch you really want - two or more watches (as cool as they may be) as a substitute will always leave you wanting.

[Lew Archer]

Thank you for taking the time to read it...as has been noted, it was lengthy! I am glad you found it relatable and worth your time.

Originally Posted by SeeDweller

Actually . . . I took the time to "scan" it . . . then found myself going back and actually reading it. It's a heartfelt, beautiful, description of what many of us feel, and experience. Nice.

And . . . . get the sub now, if you can. You won't regret that, the rest of your life. Trust me on this one....

[nighthawk77]

If offered I’d get the sub. You can pick up a Seamaster any day of the week and if you really want to add it further down the line then save for it once the sub is in hand.

The speedy may be due an update, but there’s dozens of the current model out there and the new one may have some welcomed upgrades. I suspect there will be a price increase but once hype has died down then you’ll probably be able to get this at a discount further down the line if you still require.

As an owner of all 3 models, I’d keep my sub over the other two if it came to it. That said, all are great models which I’m happy to have in the collection.


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[jed11]

The sub for sure...then the speedy. Though that seamaster is really growing on me too.

[Notepad12]

Originally Posted by jed11

The sub for sure...then the speedy. Though that seamaster is really growing on me too.

Exactly my thoughts, the Seamaster is growing on me also

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[alphadweller]

Omega for me in this case.

[MeepHead]

Originally Posted by Notepad12

Two Omegas, 1861 Speedmaster and a black dial Seamster

Or a Rolex Submariner (41mm)

All new from the AD. The Omegas are pretty much the same price as the Rolex due to discounts.

Problem is I love the two Omega's and will probably love the Rolex when I get to try it on later this month.


What choice would you make?


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I can’t fathom buying omega over Rolex. That’s my answer. Resale alone = Rolex long term. And yes, for it’s a factor.

[gmtln]

No brainer, SUB! Just looks better, I can't stand the non-tapering Omega bracelets!

Financially, it would be the better choice since it is much harder to get hold of from an AD, so if somehow you changed your mind after getting it, you could always sell it at no lost AND still buy the Omegas quite easily (likely discounted from greys).
The same cannot be said however, if you were to choose the Omegas and later on changed your mind.

[ROLEX*]

Let me give you an analogy:

Buying two BMWs vs one Ferrari, how would you choose?

[Sublovin]

This isn’t even worth considering. The Rolex Submariner without question.

[SeeDweller]

Originally Posted by ROLEX*

Let me give you an analogy:

Buying two BMWs vs one Ferrari, how would you choose?

And I drive a BMW!!
(But if offered, I’d still take the Ferrari in a heartbeat....)


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[101031-28]

Rolex Submariner, period.