DateJust 41mm - the perfect dress/sports blend? - your views...

[jameshe]

Originally Posted by AJF

I suggest that you read the Rolex press release once more...this time word for word. As what you state about the DJ 36mm range is not correct.

AJF

Okay, whatever. Word-for-word I am probably incorrect in some facet of the repositioning arguement. However, the perception of the product shifted in my mind (and others) based upon the general feeling that came from the communication. As a marketing professional myself, it is what the audience takes from the communication (ie impact) as opposed to clinical word-for-word spiel that if washes over the intended audience, is ineffective and therefore irrelevant as a communication from the brand.

Anyhow, there are greater worries in life than to get drawn into these types of debates. Rolex suggested along the line in Basel that 36mm will now be the womans range, or will offer a womans line in the 36mm ('Unisex' then if it makes you feel better).

Good input though

[AJF]

Originally Posted by jameshelliwell

Okay, whatever. Word-for-word I am probably incorrect in some facet of the repositioning arguement. However, the perception of the product shifted in my mind (and others) based upon the general feeling that came from the communication. As a marketing professional myself, it is what the audience takes from the communication (ie impact) as opposed to clinical word-for-word spiel that if washes over the intended audience, is ineffective and therefore irrelevant as a communication from the brand.

Anyhow, there are greater worries in life than to get drawn into these types of debates. Rolex suggested along the line in Basel that 36mm will now be the womans range, or will offer a womans line in the 36mm ('Unisex' then if it makes you feel better).

Good input though

'Perception', 'shifted', 'general feeling', 'suggested along the line'.

AJF

[Brushpup]

I am in the other camp. I believe 36 MM is perfect for most, but the trends indicate otherwise. Rolex waited too long IMO.

Originally Posted by rolexgiants

41mm is in the right direction for sure...... the 36mm is just too small for a man... im looking forward to seeing the 41mm in person...

[arkwhaler]

Suggesting that the human race has changed significantly in the last 50 years and that 41mm watches look great with suits on ham-armed professional football players hardly supports an argument that the same watch will be flattering with businesswear for the general public. If anything, it seems counterintuitive to your assertion. 90% of the male population still falls within 2 standard deviations of 70kg.

Last I checked the asian market was huge for rolex, and certainly there are many asians who could sport a 36mm watch without it appearing freakishly small.

Buy the watch if you want it. Wear it with a tux if you want. it is the most handome example of djii I've seen, so go for it. There is room in the world for a bigger rolex, but it won't be for everyone.

[arkwhaler]

Yes I agree fully. And I think generally the larger non-sports offerings seem clumsily proportioned.

Originally Posted by Brushpup

I am in the other camp. I believe 36 MM is perfect for most, but the trends indicate otherwise. Rolex waited too long IMO.

[Randy1989]

IMO this watch will crossover into dress, sport, and casual wear unlike any other model rolex has produced. We all have different tastes.

[jameshe]

Guys, I have just been to the AD this afternoon and placed the order... with 15% off!!

I am so pleased. I also tried on the DDII again, this time with the 'classic' champagne baton dial to get a feel for the case size one last time. It was obviously a lot heavier than the SS DJII will be, with it being solid 18k YG. I must admit, I retract my previous statements of 'not really liking' it. It looked much better without a white dial - I believe my incling was correct in thinking that it makes the dial seem larger and therefore more cumbersome.

It was very nice indeed, although I wouldnt own one due to solid YG not suiting me personally. I tried on the original DJ on both an oyster (blue dial) and jubilee (white roman) afterwards, and must admit... as classy as they were in terms of beauty, didnt 'look right'. Therefore, to conclude, given time I believe that the new 41mm models will shortly become 'the norm', and the original 36mm's will become their 'antichrists'!

What an afternoon. Also tried on another milgauss whilst i was at it (black dial, non green), saw some solid YG daytonas (didnt try on) and enquired about the DSSD. Lo and behold, he said he had one 'in the back'. He brings it out in a fresh plastic jiffy pack, with bezel cover on etc, and I try it on. VERY interesting experience indeed. Didnt actually seem as large as I thought it would in terms of the dial/face, but IMO the case is FAR too big for the bracelet. (or rather, the bracelet is FAR FAR too small for the case). I dont want to kick off a storm here, these are simply my findings and opinons 'from the field'
Jokingly, the AD corrected me when I said 'well, i suppose if you were a pro diver then you would love it' he said that pro's are more likely to use digital watches as their primary, and perhaps then this as a secondary. Interesting, made sense really!

Let the storm of controversy begin... (i dont intend it to do so)

[Randy1989]

So James, did you order the one from your pic?

[jameshe]

Originally Posted by Randy1989

So James, did you order the one from your pic?

Yep, bang on! And the AD will call me as soon as they get ANY dial combo DJII in to check it out, so thats cool. Only had to place a 10% deposit, which they encouraged me to let them know if I simply wanted to change my mind and go for a different dial, to do so

And James is officially name #1 for the first Black baton DJII SS/WG they get in... my first, and special experience. Thanks to all of you again for the advice and knowledge you have shared with me on this forum. When I came, I was looking at the TT Blue or Black sub orignally, and have been educated to decide which model I would be best suited to. So happy

[I6-S54B32]

The face is the same size as a 36mm, so the bezel looks too big and clumsy. I'm really surprised Rolex made this abortion of the DJ series. IMO, adding 2.5mm on radius of bezel and re-branding it a "DJ 2" is just silly.

[Lol-x]

I agree with JJ that dial is the best choice of the ones I've seen.

[Randy1989]

Excellent choice! I never considered the DJII until having seen this post. This is exactly the look that I have been waiting for. Finally a timeless piece from rolex and not just one that we all jump on the wagon to have.

[B. Doggy]

I definitely want to put one of those bad boys on!

[I6-S54B32]

Originally Posted by jameshelliwell

Rolex suggested along the line in Basel that 36mm will now be the womans range, or will offer a womans line in the 36mm ('Unisex' then if it makes you feel better).

After design changes to the DJI (markers and lugs) it was decided to add some "colorful" dials to the 36m DJ in an effort to get some more sales by trendy, and or heavy set ladies, and hence the misguided notion Rolex was marketing the 36mm DJ to females only. For the last time, the DJI is and always be a mens watch (or a woman of generous proportions). The choice of watch sizing for the non hip-hop crowd, should be based on your physical characteristics.

[KJacques]

Originally Posted by rolexgiants

41mm is in the right direction for sure...... the 36mm is just too small for a man... im looking forward to seeing the 41mm in person...

36mm is too small for a man? Not if you don't have size compensation issues.

[KJacques]

Originally Posted by jameshelliwell

As somebody who works out regularly and has a few friends in these professional sports circles, I can assure you that they are big blokes (some of their legs are the average persons waist circumference!) and a 36mm watch would look miniscule (like their wive's watch) on their wrist.

This may be true, but from your picture, you don't fit that description. With your thin arms/wrists, a 36mm watch would look far from miniscule and would actually probably suit you better than a 41mm which would look silly on you.

[Randy1989]

The pic of this watch is just beautiful. It is clean and stylish. You will get some compliments on this one.

[jameshe]

Originally Posted by I6-S54B32

After design changes to the DJI (markers and lugs) it was decided to add some "colorful" dials to the 36m DJ in an effort to get some more sales by trendy, and or heavy set ladies, and hence the misguided notion Rolex was marketing the 36mm DJ to females only. For the last time, the DJI is and always be a mens watch (or a woman of generous proportions). The choice of watch sizing for the non hip-hop crowd, should be based on your physical characteristics.

I am afraid I object to several things in that post.

Firstly, the thing about 'heavy set ladies' is nonsense. Lindsay Lohan (and many other LA celebs) - 40mm Daytona. not 36mm 'thickset' option. Nonsense.

Females ONLY? No, I stated 'unisex', so womens options in addition to mens.

It will not be the option 'for women of generous proportions' (whatever the hell that means) - daytona 40mm. Sub 40mm. LA celebs - google them. Few of them I would suggest are of 'generous proportions'.

So, you're saying that if you 'are not in the hip hop crowd', then the 36mm DJ or DD is your only option? Foolish. Its like me saying 'if youre a skinny wimp of a man, then the 36mm is your only option'. Daniel Craig - planet ocean - 42mm. Is he 'in the hip hop crowd'? Far from it my friend. Is Yumosata (forgot his name, sorry) into hip hop because he owns a number of 40mm (daytona) watches? Ridiculous to label people like this. I may as well say that you are a '**** of a man if you have small wrists/arms and wear a 36mm watch' (not you personally, 3rd person)

My physical characteristics, along with the majority of people, can wear a 41mm watch to answer your final bit.

[boa2]

Originally Posted by jameshelliwell

Yep, bang on! And the AD will call me as soon as they get ANY dial combo DJII in to check it out, so thats cool. Only had to place a 10% deposit, which they encouraged me to let them know if I simply wanted to change my mind and go for a different dial, to do so

And James is officially name #1 for the first Black baton DJII SS/WG they get in... my first, and special experience. Thanks to all of you again for the advice and knowledge you have shared with me on this forum. When I came, I was looking at the TT Blue or Black sub orignally, and have been educated to decide which model I would be best suited to. So happy

Congratulations! Can't wait to see photos when it's on your wrist!

[jameshe]

Originally Posted by KJacques

This may be true, but from your picture, you don't fit that description. With your thin arms/wrists, a 36mm watch would look far from miniscule and would actually probably suit you better than a 41mm which would look silly on you.

I shall not get drawn into a personal debate, but I have worked out 4 days per week with weights since I was 17. I press 125% of my bodyweight for 10 reps or so, and I weigh around 13 stone. If bicep curling 25 kg's for 10 reps every week leaves you with 'thin arms/wrists' then arnie must be 'average', and the majority of people anorexic. Lighting and angles make things look different in pictures, and I would agree that I look very lean in these pics. I would suggest that I am similar proportions to D. Craig (not to mention him again!)

How do you know better than me 'what would look silly on me', and what gives you the right to tell me that, or validate your opinion over mine?

Dont bother responding and turning this into a personal debate, we're all friends here

[jameshe]

Originally Posted by Randy1989

The pic of this watch is just beautiful. It is clean and stylish. You will get some compliments on this one.

Thanks Randy, although there seem to be some jealous/insecure people out there with physical inferiority complexes perhaps!

41mm 'big'? Wake up. Its all opinion anyhow.

[arkwhaler]

You exercised an admirable degree of restraint.

[jameshe]

Originally Posted by arkwhaler

You exercised an admirable degree of restraint.

I take it that was meant to be ironic!?

[Yume-sama]

Originally Posted by jameshelliwell

I shall not get drawn into a personal debate, but I have worked out 4 days per week with weights since I was 17. I press 125% of my bodyweight for 10 reps or so, and I weigh around 13 stone. If bicep curling 25 kg's for 10 reps every week leaves you with 'thin arms/wrists' then arnie must be 'average', and the majority of people anorexic. Lighting and angles make things look different in pictures, and I would agree that I look very lean in these pics. I would suggest that I am similar proportions to D. Craig (not to mention him again!)

How do you know better than me 'what would look silly on me', and what gives you the right to tell me that, or validate your opinion over mine?

Dont bother responding and turning this into a personal debate, we're all friends here

I've been told I look like George Clooney. But then again Japanese people just try to attach a celebrity name to any non-Japanese person they see. My friend, who definitely looks nothing like Brad Pitt, has been told by more than a few of them that he looks like Brad Pitt.

Anywho, congrats on the watch purchase. Enjoy it.

Just do some forearm curls so it doesn't break your wrist

[jameshe]

Okay, okay guys, you got me! thanks for all your input here, its the first thread i've started to go 3 pages plus!

[I6-S54B32]

Originally Posted by KJacques

With your thin arms/wrists, a 36mm watch would look far from miniscule and would actually probably suit you better than a 41mm which would look silly on you.

I've seen a few bony wristed people wearing large watches and it looks absurd. It's tantamount to wearing pants three sizes too large. To each his or her own, but this fad of stupid large watches, like bell bottom pant trend of the '70s or mullets of the '80s, will eventually die. Thankfully.

[arkwhaler]

Originally Posted by jameshelliwell

I take it that was meant to be ironic!?

No I'm serious. You could have been more aggressive and it would have been justified.

[jameshe]

Originally Posted by arkwhaler

No I'm serious. You could have been more aggressive and it would have been justified.

Thankyou arkwhaler, I try to maintain my dignity in public

Something I need to keep working on as a young man - hothead etc until I mature fully

[AJF]

Originally Posted by jameshelliwell

I am afraid I object to several things in that post.

Firstly, the thing about 'heavy set ladies' is nonsense. Lindsay Lohan (and many other LA celebs) - 40mm Daytona. not 36mm 'thickset' option. Nonsense.
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Many of the so-called LA Celebs like Li-Lo are given the watches to wear. This also applies to professional sportsmen.

AJF

[ijen0311]

Originally Posted by jameshelliwell

I shall not get drawn into a personal debate, but I have worked out 4 days per week with weights since I was 17. I press 125% of my bodyweight for 10 reps or so, and I weigh around 13 stone. If bicep curling 25 kg's for 10 reps every week leaves you with 'thin arms/wrists' then arnie must be 'average', and the majority of people anorexic. Lighting and angles make things look different in pictures, and I would agree that I look very lean in these pics. I would suggest that I am similar proportions to D. Craig (not to mention him again!)

How do you know better than me 'what would look silly on me', and what gives you the right to tell me that, or validate your opinion over mine?

Dont bother responding and turning this into a personal debate, we're all friends here

don't worry James... if that's you in your pic the ladies won't even notice the watch

Congrats on the DJII. I hope you enjoy it greatly. I'm one of the ladies that wears a larger watch and I've been called every name in the book on here for it. The douchecanoe makes a stop on all the "size" threads.